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Corey Tate thread...

Posted on 4/27/15 at 4:07 pm
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 4:07 pm
I see some Tate discussion here and there but he deserves his own thread.

Let us all hear about how this is a terrible hire and KA should have hired someone that could teach him how to coach. Go!
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27421 posts
Posted on 4/27/15 at 5:49 pm to
this is a terrible hire and KA should have hired someone that could teach him how to coach.
Posted by hipgnosis
Member since Mar 2015
1226 posts
Posted on 4/27/15 at 5:55 pm to
Come now.

This position is supposed to be filled by a recruiter.

Tate has ties.

He's an ex player.

St. Louis AAU guy.

Black.

Good hire.

*Edit -- just read the second part of the OP.
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 5:57 pm
Posted by trevo_410
Member since Jan 2012
863 posts
Posted on 4/27/15 at 7:59 pm to
quote:

Corey Tate thread...
Come now.

This position is supposed to be filled by a recruiter.

Tate has ties.

He's an ex player.

St. Louis AAU guy.

Black.

Good hire.

*Edit -- just read the second part of the OP.


Just because we're in the SEC doesn't mean we gotta be racist and start sporting the johny red flag mister.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 8:30 pm to
Anyone who thinks a non-black Mizzou coach can recruit STL effectively is living in a fantasy.

You may not like it. It may offend your sensibilities.

It is reality.
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 8:31 pm
Posted by jonnyg11224
Chicago, IL
Member since Oct 2013
141 posts
Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:00 pm to
Agreed, generally I'd say hire the best available and he may well have been but you have to have diversity on a staff so you can relate to the players. This hire had to be an African-American. Now, if you end up replacing Loos, it doesn't matter as much, hire the best available.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:07 pm to
The Tate hire doesn't bother me in itself. The only thing that concerns me is coming to Mizzou, you got/had:

Loos: No D1 experience, whether coaching or recruiting.
Fulford: No D1 experience, whether coaching or recruiting.
Tate: No D1 experience, whether coaching or recruiting.

That doesn't mean these guys can't. It just means that it give pause for concern. Especially when the HC only has limited D1 experience as an assistant and that was over a decade ago.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:33 pm to
I'm concerned about the coaching experience as well. But supposedly Anderson is good at Xs and Os. Let's see if Tate can deliver in STL. Especially next year.

Any combination of Sneed, Tilmon and Cook will have me giddy (provided we don't go 9-23 this year, too).
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:44 pm to
Well, good thing he's black!
Posted by hipgnosis
Member since Mar 2015
1226 posts
Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:55 pm to
Any beyond recruiting, that position has to be filled by a 'players ally', by someone who can sit in a dorm room with Jabari Brown and relate, and talk, and be on a level.

Very hard to find a whitie to fill those shoes.
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 4/28/15 at 8:24 am to
I don't like it because he has proven nothing. While racial diversity on a staff is probably for the best, I just don't see the appeal for Corey Tate. No D1 experience (which we lack already). Former player (guess what, there are millions of those).

Just to play out the STL AAU scenario...Say we get one of those players out of STL, maybe two (we only have 2 schollies to give). If thats the end of his connections, that is a terrible move. I don't know what kind of connections he has outside of STL, but it seems to me, if STL is all he has, it would have been wise to find somebody else.
This post was edited on 4/28/15 at 8:26 am
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17952 posts
Posted on 4/28/15 at 9:35 am to
Why would D1 experience matter for an Assistant Coach? Are they supposed to be teaching the Head Coach how to do things?

If I'm not mistaken, most of Coach K's assistants have not had D1 coaching experience before being hired at Duke. Coach K seemed to figure out how to overcome that.
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 4/28/15 at 9:46 am to
Can't equate assistant coaching positions when head coaches are no where near similar.

But Coach K has Jeff Capel, who was a D1 head coach for 10+ years. Another who has been an assistant for 10 years, and Jon Scheyer, who is fresh off his D-League career. So yes, he has people with experience. One with alot, one with some, and a new guy.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17952 posts
Posted on 4/28/15 at 10:06 am to
Capel was hired as a D1 assistant with zero D1 experience.

Scheyer was hired by K with zero D1 experience.

I don't think you realize you are proving my point. Lots of places and even GREAT coaches hire assistants with zero D1 experience. If that is your gripe with the Tate hire, it reeks of just being a hater.
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 4/28/15 at 10:54 am to
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I don't think you realize you are proving my point. Lots of places and even GREAT coaches hire assistants with zero D1 experience. If that is your gripe with the Tate hire, it reeks of just being a hater.


But they weren't hired in a 2 year time span. I have no problem with a former player, fresh out of a pro league being hired as a assistant, provided we have other experienced assistants.

Scheyer is a good hire, BECAUSE Capel has already done it for 20+ years at the D1 level, and Nate James has been there and done it for 10+ years.

The coaching staff with Tate would almost mirror the players.

One guy who has a little bit of experience, and a bunch of guys who are about to go through the gambit for the first or second time.

But you can't compare Coach K and his experiences to KA and his.


Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 4/28/15 at 12:09 pm to
I've gotten tot he point I just don't care if he's a good hire or not. Hire whoever he wants. Recruit whoever he wants. It's his show. I'll tune in once they stop being shitty regardless of who's in charge.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111495 posts
Posted on 4/28/15 at 1:41 pm to
What about that guy at Wisconsin?

He's awesome and Kim is just like him.
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 4/28/15 at 1:44 pm to
Bo Ryan? 4 lower division national championships. Got job at D1 Milwaukee. Spent 2 seasons as a D1 head coach before getting Wisconsin job Bo Ryan?
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17952 posts
Posted on 4/28/15 at 1:52 pm to
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Bo Ryan? 4 lower division national championships. Got job at D1 Milwaukee. Spent 2 seasons as a D1 head coach before getting Wisconsin job Bo Ryan?


Yup. That guy. He didn't learn to coach until he spent 2 years at Milwaukee. He'd be the worst P5 coach ever had he not learned everything at Milwaukee.
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 4/28/15 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

Yup. That guy. He didn't learn to coach until he spent 2 years at Milwaukee. He'd be the worst P5 coach ever had he not learned everything at Milwaukee.


Milwaukee is the type of job that a D2/D3 successful coach gets, not a P5 job.

But moving onto wisconsin. He hired, Rob Jeter, who had been at Marquette for a few years, and Milwaukee for 2 years with Ryan. He had Dick Bennett, and his son Rick. Greg Gard stayed with Bo the entire way.

Not sure what you are getting at? Bo turned around a struggling D1 program before being hired at a P5 job. He hired D1 experienced coaches as well as bringing along other folks.
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