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Are we as fans part of our struggles?
Posted on 1/21/17 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 1/21/17 at 3:11 pm
Hypothetical question:
Does the lack of fan support cost us wins and potential recruiting targets?
Would we be able to steal a couple of wins in BB or FB with an environment that makes it tough on the opposing team?
Would recruits see the support of a program that sticks with them through the lean years as a positive to offset our other recruiting hurdles such as facilities, lack of conference championships, and no BCS/CFB big six bowl appearances?
Does the lack of fan support cost us wins and potential recruiting targets?
Would we be able to steal a couple of wins in BB or FB with an environment that makes it tough on the opposing team?
Would recruits see the support of a program that sticks with them through the lean years as a positive to offset our other recruiting hurdles such as facilities, lack of conference championships, and no BCS/CFB big six bowl appearances?
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 3:27 pm to countrygrammar
Not really.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 3:36 pm to countrygrammar
Sure, it doesn't help.
But Mizzou fans are pretty good for their position. Not many fanbases have been kicked in the nuts repeatedly like Mizzou has. I think the support for Mizzou is really good in context.
But Mizzou fans are pretty good for their position. Not many fanbases have been kicked in the nuts repeatedly like Mizzou has. I think the support for Mizzou is really good in context.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 3:42 pm to countrygrammar
Kim and his staff costs the program wins and potential recruits.
Have you ever had the opportunity to talk one on one to KA? He is very lucky that breathing and blinking are involuntary actions. He would suffocate with very dry eyes.
Have you ever had the opportunity to talk one on one to KA? He is very lucky that breathing and blinking are involuntary actions. He would suffocate with very dry eyes.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 3:47 pm to navynuke
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Have you ever had the opportunity to talk one on one to KA? He is very lucky that breathing and blinking are involuntary actions. He would suffocate with very dry eyes.
Is he just a dumb jock turned coach?
I had very little opinion until I saw just how terribly coached his teams are.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 4:05 pm to spytiger
I think he is very fortunate that Rich and Bob got canned. I don't think he would have got another D-1 assistant job after his time spent with Gene Iba. After some success with guys they inherited from Jim Haller, they went 42-66 the last 5 years with their own players at Baylor. Iba ended up at Pitt State and when Norm left, no one wanted Anderson.
This post was edited on 1/21/17 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 1/21/17 at 4:18 pm to countrygrammar
When Mizzou is good there is good fan support. That's in all sports.
Women's Hoops, volleyball, & softball all are top 15-20 nationally in attendance.
Football and men's basketball have great atmospheres when the teams are good.
The problem right now is that Missouri has more top level football and basketball recruits than I can remember, and both sports are down.
Women's Hoops, volleyball, & softball all are top 15-20 nationally in attendance.
Football and men's basketball have great atmospheres when the teams are good.
The problem right now is that Missouri has more top level football and basketball recruits than I can remember, and both sports are down.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 4:26 pm to countrygrammar
I love this question.
I love social theory.
Yes, I think fans play into the struggles.
Not just by attendance.
Social media and online cultures can apply unnecessary pressures and tension to situations that make a variety of things more difficult than they should be. This isn't to say people shouldn't share their justified frustrations.
I love social theory.
Yes, I think fans play into the struggles.
Not just by attendance.
Social media and online cultures can apply unnecessary pressures and tension to situations that make a variety of things more difficult than they should be. This isn't to say people shouldn't share their justified frustrations.
This post was edited on 1/21/17 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 1/21/17 at 4:32 pm to countrygrammar
Short answer: Yes
Posted on 1/21/17 at 4:54 pm to countrygrammar
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Does the lack of fan support cost us wins and potential recruiting targets?
That is actually a tough question to answer. To a degree yes it does, but most of it rests on the performance of the program (players and coaches).
For example while true sell outs (a jam packed stadium) are rare for Arkansas now a days we tend to average a horde of fans showing up for games. A number that many schools would kill for in fact.
As someone said on the Arkansas board the fans have actually outperformed the program over the last 20 years when you look at the attendance. Having a lot of fans show up is a positive but if the product on the floor is poo... the effect is pretty small.
The fans can only do so much to affect the course of a game or whether a recruit signs.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 6:41 pm to countrygrammar
Our fans are better than the shite we get. We don't have to have championships to draw crowds like UK or UA. If we compete we draw enthusiastic crowds. bball just sux right now. A good coaching hire would bring a bunch back just by itself.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 7:53 pm to countrygrammar
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Does the lack of fan support cost us wins and potential recruiting targets?
I think at this point, it's a fanbase that recognizes that there needs to be a coaching change. And once a fanbase convinces itself of that, unless that coach ends up finishing out a season on a high note then that mentality will hang around.
At this point, I think it's more important for the longevity of the program for your fans to stay home and force the administration's hand on a positive coaching change. UK fans had to do the same with Joker Phillips (see: the Vandy pic that always gets posted of our football fanbase).
Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:23 pm to countrygrammar
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Does the lack of fan support cost us wins and potential recruiting targets?
Frankly I don't care. It's unrealistic to expect fanatical crowds when you are literally historically bad and in the third year straight of the same futility.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 10:02 pm to countrygrammar
Thanks for the replies.
I understand the lack of support when it comes to poor performance on the court and field. I just wonder if the empty seats puts us in a worse position moving forward. We have such a passionate fan base that recognizes our short comings and ready to support a winner too.
When it comes to attracting high end BB talent, specifically talent that will be there one or two years, can we sell a recruit on a passionate fan base with our past 2-3 year attendance numbers? I know we have it in us, but YouTube is the only point of reference at this point.
In football, would the extra 10,000 fans we normally put in the seats help cause a false start or confuse defensive players based on a audible call from the sideline? 10k that helps sell the advantage of playing in the Zou to that high end 4/5 star.
I understand the lack of support when it comes to poor performance on the court and field. I just wonder if the empty seats puts us in a worse position moving forward. We have such a passionate fan base that recognizes our short comings and ready to support a winner too.
When it comes to attracting high end BB talent, specifically talent that will be there one or two years, can we sell a recruit on a passionate fan base with our past 2-3 year attendance numbers? I know we have it in us, but YouTube is the only point of reference at this point.
In football, would the extra 10,000 fans we normally put in the seats help cause a false start or confuse defensive players based on a audible call from the sideline? 10k that helps sell the advantage of playing in the Zou to that high end 4/5 star.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 11:35 pm to countrygrammar
if you are asking if having larger noisier crowds helps energize our home team and confuse the visitors imma goin with yes.
If you are asking if having a large enthusiastic crowd when cruits are visiting helps imma goin with yes
If you are asking if having a large enthusiastic crowd when cruits are visiting helps imma goin with yes
Posted on 1/22/17 at 12:01 pm to countrygrammar
In football, no. I think we have better fan support than we give ourselves credit for, we just like to compare our attendance to the Georgias and LSUs of the football world for some reason.
In basketball, absolutely. Fan support has been embarrassing for years. However, it's a problem that started with the Administration and can be pinpointed back to when Mizzou Arena first opened.
Fan support was never a problem back in the Hearnes Center days because back then, our administration valued the fans and made seats available and affordable.
Fast forward to Mizzou Arena opening, and suddenly the entire lower bowl is reserved for donors (save the seats behind one goal for students) and the prices were jacked up. This immediately took the energy and support out of the program. I have never been to a single game at Mizzou Arena that compares to the energy and enthusiasm that I experienced at Hearnes back on its worst day.
In basketball, absolutely. Fan support has been embarrassing for years. However, it's a problem that started with the Administration and can be pinpointed back to when Mizzou Arena first opened.
Fan support was never a problem back in the Hearnes Center days because back then, our administration valued the fans and made seats available and affordable.
Fast forward to Mizzou Arena opening, and suddenly the entire lower bowl is reserved for donors (save the seats behind one goal for students) and the prices were jacked up. This immediately took the energy and support out of the program. I have never been to a single game at Mizzou Arena that compares to the energy and enthusiasm that I experienced at Hearnes back on its worst day.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:13 pm to BreakawayZou83
that's what 80 mil will get ya
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:43 pm to BreakawayZou83
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Fast forward to Mizzou Arena opening, and suddenly the entire lower bowl is reserved for donors (save the seats behind one goal for students) and the prices were jacked up. This immediately took the energy and support out of the program. I have never been to a single game at Mizzou Arena that compares to the energy and enthusiasm that I experienced at Hearnes back on its worst day.
True story. This is all accurate.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:49 pm to the808bass
It's a shame that almost all newer arenas don't have the character and ability to produce energy the same way the old ones did.
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 1/22/17 at 4:18 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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It's a shame that almost all newer arenas don't have the character and ability to produce energy the same way the old ones did.
That is because rather then take the long view of keeping prices low and keeping the place filled with happy fans ADs prefer to jack up the prices and suddenly find themselves wondering why the building is half empty at best.
One way will pay off the cost of the building eventually. The other will almost certainly make sure that ever smaller crowds come to your sporting events.
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