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2 Division championships followed by a down year = Languishing
Posted on 8/20/16 at 7:23 am
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Posted on 8/20/16 at 8:56 am to navynuke
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Major rumblings are shaking college athletics again. The Big 12 (Minus 4, Plus 2) Conference is considering expansion and the reverberations can be felt across Missouri.
Gordo's still crying over spilt milk, I see.
The Big 8's gone too. Texas destroyed the XII and everyone who could chopper out of Saigon did.
Dude needs to get over it and stop wishing for the past.
Posted on 8/20/16 at 9:16 am to Mizz-SEC
The thought that they should have stayed and hoped for things to get better is idiotic. Nothing changes for MU if they don't leave. No stadium expansion, no new softball stadium....the list is endless. In the last 6 years of membership in the B12 MU's AD turned a profit once. And Gordon thinks they should have stayed? Dude needs to stop wasting my oxygen.
Posted on 8/20/16 at 9:32 am to navynuke
Gordo sucks and always has.
Posted on 8/20/16 at 9:47 am to navynuke
Gordo is horrible. Have never liked the guy. You're right, he is being not just short sighted but also being a bit reactionary to a bad football season and what is just the worst era of Mizzou hoops. They will all rebound in time. Some faster than others.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 9:13 am to navynuke
We've had about as much success in the SEC as we had from 1980-2011
Big 8 glory. Bad facilities and getting stomped by Nebraska. What a time to be alive
I don't care about the past I care about Mizzou
Big 8 glory. Bad facilities and getting stomped by Nebraska. What a time to be alive
I don't care about the past I care about Mizzou
Posted on 8/21/16 at 2:33 pm to navynuke
Gordon. It'll be more hate and moaning for the good old days when we sucked and never turned a profit. Didn't bother reading.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:50 pm to semotruman
Are you guys kidding? This hack actually got people to talk about his column. Sure nearly everything he ever says is laughably bad, but we actually read his bullshite. Count it as a win for newspaper that was last relevant 20 years ago.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 6:18 pm to reedus23
I didn't read it either but I did jump to the comments.
I'd say his troll was successful, there are tons of negative comments.
It's pitiful that a so called journalist has turned into an internet troll.
I'd say his troll was successful, there are tons of negative comments.
It's pitiful that a so called journalist has turned into an internet troll.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 8:39 pm to reedus23
As always, you're a more principled man than me reedus. I also look at car crashes.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 9:48 pm to pauliebleaker
Oh I don't think that at all. I just can't read him so I don't even click on him.
Car crashes on the other hand...I do slow down for.
Car crashes on the other hand...I do slow down for.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 11:02 pm to reedus23
I read his column and found it laughable. Missouri was forced with hard choices when the Big XII was on the verge of collapse.
When the SEC had the notion to expand in the early nineties, four universities were courted by the SEC. They were Texas, Texas A&M, Florida State and Arkansas.
Texas said no. Texas A&M went along with Texas but kept in very close contact with the SEC. Florida State said no. Arkansas said Yes and a second team was added in South Carolina.
After Nebraska and Colorado left the Big XII, Texas A&M set in motion what was viewed at the time as the inevitable collapse of the BIG XII by joining the SEC. Texas A&M (in point of fact) divorced Texas. That left the SEC unbalanced with 13 teams. Missouri was invited and accepted to become the 14th team to join the SEC.
Let's make this very clear: Missouri was invited and accepted to join the SEC. The vote was unanimous.
I have followed from afar Missouri football for a long time and leaving long time rivalries and
conference team mates was no easy feat. Those of us in the stable SEC have no concept what that must have been like.
Many said this was a 100 year type of decision and I believe every bit of that to be true. In leaving a conference where as a member Missouri was not valued,
joining the SEC has its perks. No junior membership. Missouri is equal in all aspects as if it were a founding member. Equal in votes and all revenues are shared equally. Nothing to bind a member from leaving. A simple half paragraph of see you later will suffice. The SEC is flush with money for its members.
What I smile at is the term ' Languishing'. The Big XII minus 4 plus 2 is wanting to expand because if it doesn't on the next round of realignment it will be the conference that will collapse. Did any one notice not one Power 5 team wants to join the vaunted Big XII conference? Not one Power 5 team! The Big XII is the one languishing.
This notion that Missouri some how came out on the short end of the stick in this deal by joining the SEC is laughable.
What suprised your old conference mates was they expected Missouri to fall in to a pile of manure. Instead it came out golden.
Other than Texas, if your old conference mates were given the choice, how many would prefer to be in the SEC if they could?
When the SEC had the notion to expand in the early nineties, four universities were courted by the SEC. They were Texas, Texas A&M, Florida State and Arkansas.
Texas said no. Texas A&M went along with Texas but kept in very close contact with the SEC. Florida State said no. Arkansas said Yes and a second team was added in South Carolina.
After Nebraska and Colorado left the Big XII, Texas A&M set in motion what was viewed at the time as the inevitable collapse of the BIG XII by joining the SEC. Texas A&M (in point of fact) divorced Texas. That left the SEC unbalanced with 13 teams. Missouri was invited and accepted to become the 14th team to join the SEC.
Let's make this very clear: Missouri was invited and accepted to join the SEC. The vote was unanimous.
I have followed from afar Missouri football for a long time and leaving long time rivalries and
conference team mates was no easy feat. Those of us in the stable SEC have no concept what that must have been like.
Many said this was a 100 year type of decision and I believe every bit of that to be true. In leaving a conference where as a member Missouri was not valued,
joining the SEC has its perks. No junior membership. Missouri is equal in all aspects as if it were a founding member. Equal in votes and all revenues are shared equally. Nothing to bind a member from leaving. A simple half paragraph of see you later will suffice. The SEC is flush with money for its members.
What I smile at is the term ' Languishing'. The Big XII minus 4 plus 2 is wanting to expand because if it doesn't on the next round of realignment it will be the conference that will collapse. Did any one notice not one Power 5 team wants to join the vaunted Big XII conference? Not one Power 5 team! The Big XII is the one languishing.
This notion that Missouri some how came out on the short end of the stick in this deal by joining the SEC is laughable.
What suprised your old conference mates was they expected Missouri to fall in to a pile of manure. Instead it came out golden.
Other than Texas, if your old conference mates were given the choice, how many would prefer to be in the SEC if they could?
This post was edited on 8/21/16 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 8/22/16 at 4:54 am to ozland
I'm pretty sure Gordon is an original Antler, so the Big 8 holds great nostalgia for him.
It's a source of immense pride to recall the conference of his greatest life accomplishments as a troll.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 8:55 am to navynuke
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I have never liked Gordon but I find this piece short sighted at best.
I would opt for blind as a bat rather then short sighted.
Languishing? Two division championships in a four year period is languishing?
May God himself cause Arkansas to languish in such a fashion and smite us with that problem till the end of time.
Is Mizzou a perfect fit for the SEC? Maybe not but we are damn glad to have you.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 9:57 am to ozland
Thanks, Ozland and Arksuii.
Oz, you're absolutely right. Mizzou did what was best for the University and its athletics programs. I think we were valued by the old Big 8 schools, but texas values nothing and no one but itself. Mizzou, as an institution, is the good friend who is always there for you, doesn't make any waves, and doesn't demand a lot of attention. They're just there, being a good friend/teammate. Mizzou got taken for granted. The great miscalculation of texas was that Mizzou didn't have the guts to leave. They should have gotten to know us a little better. Even the nicest person will stand up for themselves eventually. Even as the decision was made, and texas came with a counter proposal to keep us there, we still worked to make things as fair for the old Big 8 schools as we could on our way out the door. Texas is a conference killer, and I would absolutely oppose their entrance to the SEC when the BIg 12-2+1+1-1-1 eventually collapses.
Oz, you're absolutely right. Mizzou did what was best for the University and its athletics programs. I think we were valued by the old Big 8 schools, but texas values nothing and no one but itself. Mizzou, as an institution, is the good friend who is always there for you, doesn't make any waves, and doesn't demand a lot of attention. They're just there, being a good friend/teammate. Mizzou got taken for granted. The great miscalculation of texas was that Mizzou didn't have the guts to leave. They should have gotten to know us a little better. Even the nicest person will stand up for themselves eventually. Even as the decision was made, and texas came with a counter proposal to keep us there, we still worked to make things as fair for the old Big 8 schools as we could on our way out the door. Texas is a conference killer, and I would absolutely oppose their entrance to the SEC when the BIg 12-2+1+1-1-1 eventually collapses.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 10:14 am to semotruman
Texas will never be invited to join the SEC.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 10:55 am to reedus23
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Oh I don't think that at all. I just can't read him so I don't even click on him.
Car crashes on the other hand...I do slow down for.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:28 pm to semotruman
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Texas is a conference killer, and I would absolutely oppose their entrance to the SEC when the BIg 12-2+1+1-1-1 eventually collapses.
I do not think that Arkansas, Missouri, or Texas A&M would allow Texas to enter the SEC.
We have, for example, Alabama. One of the best football programs of all time. And they share the pie equally. Are they smug arses when they are on top?
Yes they are. But when it comes to who gets the money and who goes to the best bowl game they fall in line. Bama without the SEC knows its just the second coming of Georgia Tech or Tulane.
We are all in this together. Frankly I'd rather have Missouri then any other team in the Big 12 because you are a good neighbor.
Mind you, come game week, I will be cheering for Arkansas to lay the lumber on you.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:53 pm to semotruman
The Big 8 was a great conference and all members were valued. When the Big 8 expanded to the Big XII with the Texas schools I made a $20 bet with my best friend that I gave it a year before the Big 8 conference office would be moved into the old Southwest conference office. I won my bet and I seldom bet.
Texas thinks it owns everything. Texas almost singlehandedly killed the Southwest conference and any time Texas wants to (leave by changing conference affiliation because they think everyone covets them)it will kill the Big XII as well.
You almost saw this play out with four teams being discussed to the PAC 12. Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Oklahoma.
Texas A&M did not want to go to the PAC 12. Instead Texas A&M opted for the SEC. This shocked Texas to the core and the Big XII conference has never recovered. Had Texas A&M left for the PAC 12 what would have happened to the rest of the Big XII?
Missouri was presented with one of those once a century life changing decisions and made the most of it.
The irony of it all is Missouri's old conference teammates downplayed Missouri's decision to leave for the SEC, but how many wish it had been them instead?
The reason I say this. The Big 8 died when the Texas teams came in and try as we might no amount of nostalgia will bring it back.
Texas thinks it owns everything. Texas almost singlehandedly killed the Southwest conference and any time Texas wants to (leave by changing conference affiliation because they think everyone covets them)it will kill the Big XII as well.
You almost saw this play out with four teams being discussed to the PAC 12. Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Oklahoma.
Texas A&M did not want to go to the PAC 12. Instead Texas A&M opted for the SEC. This shocked Texas to the core and the Big XII conference has never recovered. Had Texas A&M left for the PAC 12 what would have happened to the rest of the Big XII?
Missouri was presented with one of those once a century life changing decisions and made the most of it.
The irony of it all is Missouri's old conference teammates downplayed Missouri's decision to leave for the SEC, but how many wish it had been them instead?
The reason I say this. The Big 8 died when the Texas teams came in and try as we might no amount of nostalgia will bring it back.
This post was edited on 8/22/16 at 12:55 pm
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