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Posted on 7/25/15 at 11:17 am to the808bass
Posted on 7/25/15 at 11:17 am to the808bass
Doesn't look like we gave up much either. Typical Mo move and as typical, I think it will help.
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Posted on 7/26/15 at 11:51 am to reedus23
I was glad that Piscotty finally got called up.Really good at bat last night to drive in the only run.What a pitching battle that was last night.Martinez keeps rolling right along.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:17 am to mizzoukills
Adam Lind
Or
Chris Davis?
BA vs Power?
Or
Chris Davis?
BA vs Power?
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:31 pm to mizslu314
Goold has said team prefers Lind and are talking with Brewers.Would love to get him.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 7:49 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Looks like Holliday is done for the season to me.
Gonna take more than Lind.
CarGo anyone?
I'm good with it as long as they don't trade Alex Reyes. That dude will be an ACE.
Gonna take more than Lind.
CarGo anyone?
I'm good with it as long as they don't trade Alex Reyes. That dude will be an ACE.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:24 pm to Stir of Echoes
Didn't he get traded to the Mets?
We screwed up not getting a big time young position player under years of control for our pitching surplus.
Miller and Jenkins should have gotten us more than a player in his walk year.
Holliday looks done to me too. Maybe an October come back.
Guy lifts too much. Way too heavy. And he's not even a big smasher. He's got a line drive stroke. Never understood why he played HR derby before games and tried to be as big as possible. Guy isn't the brightest.
If Garcia stays healthy, that's 5 really good starters. Hard to write that off.
We screwed up not getting a big time young position player under years of control for our pitching surplus.
Miller and Jenkins should have gotten us more than a player in his walk year.
Holliday looks done to me too. Maybe an October come back.
Guy lifts too much. Way too heavy. And he's not even a big smasher. He's got a line drive stroke. Never understood why he played HR derby before games and tried to be as big as possible. Guy isn't the brightest.
If Garcia stays healthy, that's 5 really good starters. Hard to write that off.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:28 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Wrong CarGo.
Carlos Gonzales, Colorado Rockies.
Carlos Gonzales, Colorado Rockies.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:02 pm to Stir of Echoes
Mo has to make a move to bring a bat into this lineup. If he stands pat expecting this staff to carry the rest of the way we are in trouble and an early exist in the NLDS as the best case at this point.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:02 pm to Stir of Echoes
We need something. Cargo. Lind. Something. This offense can be anemic at times.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:09 pm to reedus23
I know it's far fetched and like a -20% chance of happening, but Waino has always talked about making it back this season and from what I can read, it seems his rehab is going a bit faster than expected.
If he does get into game shape before the end of the season...what do you do? Can you tell the guy no? Not sure you can at this point. Might be able to try to convince him to just spend the entire year getting healthy but I don't know if Waino will accept that if he, himself, believes himself to be healthy enough to contribute.
If he does get into game shape before the end of the season...what do you do? Can you tell the guy no? Not sure you can at this point. Might be able to try to convince him to just spend the entire year getting healthy but I don't know if Waino will accept that if he, himself, believes himself to be healthy enough to contribute.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:11 pm to reedus23
At times?
Yeah, they have to do something. They needed a bat before this.
They should go get Gonzalez. He's under contract for two more years and then you don't have to sign Heyward. It will likely take Reyes, but letting Heyward walk gets us a first round pick.
Yeah, they have to do something. They needed a bat before this.
They should go get Gonzalez. He's under contract for two more years and then you don't have to sign Heyward. It will likely take Reyes, but letting Heyward walk gets us a first round pick.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:19 pm to JesusQuintana
So, the big question, Can Grichuk be the everyday CF?
If you think his bat in that spot is ++ and he can defend at an average level you can go get another corner outfielder that is cost controlled and hang on to Heyward at sub $20 mil per numbers. If Heyward wants to push that plateau then you move on and look at other options.
I love the continuity of the Cardinals being in the hunt every year but at some point MO has to realize he has something special in this staff this year and give them something to work with.
I just dont know. I get the Cardinal way is to develop from within and take stabs at the WS title but I just think you can solidify your corner outfield for the next 5-7 years and work on the SS and 1B positions moving forward.
If you think his bat in that spot is ++ and he can defend at an average level you can go get another corner outfielder that is cost controlled and hang on to Heyward at sub $20 mil per numbers. If Heyward wants to push that plateau then you move on and look at other options.
I love the continuity of the Cardinals being in the hunt every year but at some point MO has to realize he has something special in this staff this year and give them something to work with.
I just dont know. I get the Cardinal way is to develop from within and take stabs at the WS title but I just think you can solidify your corner outfield for the next 5-7 years and work on the SS and 1B positions moving forward.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:39 pm to JesusQuintana
Reyes looks better to me than CMart did at around the same data point level wise.
His stuff is better, and he has every tool in the book.
I knew CMart was an ace, Reyes will be one too.
Think Pedro Martinez and Bob Gibson on the same staff.
Those two have that kind of upside.
I'm not willing to go for it this season if it costs us Reyes. He will be up later this year, and given the cards track record starting in 2017 when CMart is an established ace, along with Wacha.
Do not mortgage the future, the window is wide open. It's not closing.
That being said if Gonzales and Piscotty and whoever can get you Lind and CarGo. Then yes.
But under no circumstances should Mo deal Reyes.
His stuff is better, and he has every tool in the book.
I knew CMart was an ace, Reyes will be one too.
Think Pedro Martinez and Bob Gibson on the same staff.
Those two have that kind of upside.
I'm not willing to go for it this season if it costs us Reyes. He will be up later this year, and given the cards track record starting in 2017 when CMart is an established ace, along with Wacha.
Do not mortgage the future, the window is wide open. It's not closing.
That being said if Gonzales and Piscotty and whoever can get you Lind and CarGo. Then yes.
But under no circumstances should Mo deal Reyes.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:49 pm to Stir of Echoes
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I'm not willing to go for it this season if it costs us Reyes.
I agree with this completely.
He is the one untouchable in the system in my opinion at this point. Kid is at AA Springfield already. Lights out.
Piscotty/Gonzales package should net us a cost controlled bat.
ETA: The Grichuk question..does his bat make him a legit answer at CF long term?
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:51 pm to Stir of Echoes
Meh, I always error on the side of the established player and going for it when you have the chance.
Cargo has 8 HR in his last 7 games btw, and coming to a pennant race would probably energize him.
Cargo has 8 HR in his last 7 games btw, and coming to a pennant race would probably energize him.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:57 pm to JesusQuintana
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Cargo has 8 HR in his last 7 games btw, and coming to a pennant race would probably energize him.
Whats it going to take in assets? Would love to have him but Reyes is the plumb all the have nots want to pick from the Cards right now.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:59 pm to kilo
Grichuk in CF? Yes, absolutely.
The metrics actually rate him better in CF than either corner, and they put him well above average.
He's the guy for sure.
The metrics actually rate him better in CF than either corner, and they put him well above average.
He's the guy for sure.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 11:04 pm to kilo
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ETA: The Grichuk question..does his bat make him a legit answer at CF long term?
Grichuk will be a good player.
Zero understanding of the strike zone at this point, but a plus fielder with plus power. Runs well, good understanding of the game, etc.
Just zero plate discipline. That comes with time. He's learning. I'm ok with him getting OJT on the big squad. Plus, we don't really have a choice at this point.
Piscotty looks to be much the same, with a better understanding of the zone, and more of a head for the game, without the pop. He played at Stanford, so he should be more polished in the areas that Grichuk isn't at this point.
I'm not crazy about getting rid of either at this point, but if you want some hitters with contracts we'll have to deal one of them. Gotta give something to get something.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 11:09 pm to JesusQuintana
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Grichuk in CF? Yes, absolutely.
The metrics actually rate him better in CF than either corner, and they put him well above average.
He's the guy for sure.
I agree. Spent some time pounding fan graphs as well but the kid is legit as a CF.
I just hate the talk from some that want to move him to the corner OF already that really have no clue.
--Solidify Grichuk in CF.
--Make move for corner OF because that is where you will get most return cost the other way.
--Figure out 1B and SS next two seasons. Two big questions for the club moving forward.
--Have to start looking at Molina'a replacement
Possible Rotation in 2017
Waino
Martinez
Lynn
Reyes
Some guy
Posted on 7/29/15 at 11:13 pm to kilo
I really think we have another wave of pitchers that will be getting here in 2-3 years, if that long. Reyes leads that pack, but there's a handful of other guys who have continued to impress. Kaminsky. The other Reyes. Poncedeleon. Weaver. Flaherty. Couple others I can't think of right now.
I'm a big Marco fan but for a bat, I'd deal him. I already don't know what we do next year with Waino coming back.
I'm a big Marco fan but for a bat, I'd deal him. I already don't know what we do next year with Waino coming back.
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