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re: Is Cohens seat heating up?
Posted on 4/29/15 at 7:10 am to skirpnasty
Posted on 4/29/15 at 7:10 am to skirpnasty
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I mean that our CWS run was getting hot at the right time in an otherwise pretty mediocre season.
You have absolutely lost your god damn mind.
We won 50 fricking games that season. You can make it sound however you want so that you can start the coaching conversation you love so much.
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We haven't done well in league play, in any of those seasons.
So going 18-12 last season just doesn't count? What the frick are you talking about? That is the most conference wins we have ever had in one season.
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What's happening right now isn't acceptable with the talent we have. At this point in the tenure, finishing last in the division is not ok.
You are absolutely correct. That is the end of the conversation at this point, though. Period.
We can have a serious conversation if this happens again next year.
This post was edited on 4/29/15 at 7:21 am
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 7:13 am to skirpnasty
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However, we still didn't really do anything special in conference. We made a CWS run, which is always nice. But, I don't think we should allow one tournament performance speak for the entire tenure.
This makes no god damn sense whatsoever. Sure, we haven't had an entire season with only 5 or so loses. We either run the table in the OOC, or we get hot during conference play.
What the frick does it matter if we get to the tournament? Especially if we fricking host. ESPECIALLY if we win 50 fricking games and go to the National Championship Series. Saying, "but we didn't really do this or that" during that season doesn't diminish what we accomplished.
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Again, I'm more of playing devils advocate
I hope to God that is all you are doing, because anything else would be ignorant.
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But when you look at it, I think it's fair to say that we have what has proven to be an average staff.
L-O-Motherfricking-L
So because we are having an extremely bad year, our coaching staff is mediocre? I guess you forgot that Butch Thompson just won the assistant coach of the year last year, like you forgot about us winning 50 games.
Just because Cohen doesn't run the baseball team the way most people would like to see it ran, people have been waiting on this year just so they could say I told you so. I include myself in the part about not doing it how I would, but I sure as hell am not about to say he is a mediocre coach. That is ridiculous. He was ahead of the game when the bats cooled down, but he gets no credit for that. It was just him playing stupid little small ball.
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Anything more I can't consider accurate right now
Well then you cannot be helped.
This post was edited on 4/29/15 at 7:22 am
Posted on 4/29/15 at 7:22 am to skirpnasty
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I don't even know what to think of this, it's honestly just a dumb statement. Cohen is about to finish dead last in the division for the 3rd time in 7 years. We would fire any other coach who did that.
Do you think Cohen or Mullen has a better winning percentage? How about average division finish? Higher final ranking? Post season winning percentage?
Nobody is happy with this season but there is no reason to go full retard...........yet
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:22 am to cave canem
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Do you think Cohen or Mullen has a better winning percentage? How about average division finish? Higher final ranking? Post season winning percentage?
Nobody is happy with this season but there is no reason to go full retard...........yet
You said "to this point". I wasn't comparing current coaches, I read it as you claiming Cohen is the most accomplished coach we've ever had.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:30 am to DynastyDawg
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So because we are having an extremely bad year, our coaching staff is mediocre? I guess you forgot that Butch Thompson just won the assistant coach of the year last year, like you forgot about us winning 50 games.
You are taking one season and using it to speak for 7 years. We've been dead last in the division for almost half of his tenure, and missed the tournament in more than half.
You won't hear me complain about Butch. In fact, if you read a few posts up, I as much as said that Butch has made us look a lot better than we have been.
I think they will figure it out, and I think the ball has hurt. We definitely were building around the old ball. I just hope he didn't wait too late to change.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:31 am to skirpnasty
He deserves another chance. If he has a second season like this one then he should get fired. No reason for MSU to be very patient with baseball coaches. We put enough resources/emphasis on baseball to where you should not have a season like this.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:43 am to skirpnasty
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You are taking one season and using it to speak for 7 years.
No. I am not.
Look at Polk's last 5 years. He completely destroyed the program. So bitch about it if you want, but Cohen's first two years are far from his fault.
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We've been dead last in the division for almost half of his tenure
2009 - 12th
2010 - 12th
2011 - 6th
2012 - 5th
2013 - 5th
2014 - 3rd
That's SEC standings. So... I really don't understand your comment at all.
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missed the tournament in more than half.
2009 - N/A
2010 - N/A
2011 - Regionals / Super Regionals
2012 - Regionals
2013 - Regionals / Super Regionals / College World Series Runner Up
2014 - Regionals
Excuse me, What?
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:50 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
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He deserves another chance.
Yes.
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If he has a second season like this one then he should get fired.
His seat should be extremely hot, maybe fired.
UCLA missed the tournament completely last year after winning a National Championship. This year they are #2.
Virginia is 10-14 in Conference play this year.
We can have a down year in baseball and completely turn it around next year. If we don't, then we will have a decision on our hands, and a tough one at that, but it will more than likely need to be done. Having it before the end of next year is asinine, IMO.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:57 am to DynastyDawg
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That's SEC standings. So... I really don't understand your comment at all.
This year will be the 3rd time in 7 seasons we finish last in the division. = almost half
I forgot about 2011, so we will have also missed the tournament in almost half, rather than more than half.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:12 am to skirpnasty
Eh...he did have to do a rebuild when he got here. I don't really fault him for that.
This season is definitely horrible and he needs to make some changes.
This season is definitely horrible and he needs to make some changes.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:18 am to skirpnasty
The point is that you say things to make your argument sound better.
Again, the first two years are far from Cohen's fault, and it's a moot point anyway, because for a program like ours if he has two down years what he did in year one and two doesn't mean anything now.
Again, the first two years are far from Cohen's fault, and it's a moot point anyway, because for a program like ours if he has two down years what he did in year one and two doesn't mean anything now.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:19 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
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he needs to make some changes.
We need a hitting coach.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:23 am to DynastyDawg
Yeah, we should definitely throw some coin at a top hitting coach.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 1:52 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
I think the problem is we are a top ten baseball program and should be top ten good every year.Our hitting has been shite since Cohen has been here and there needs to be some changes made. That's bullshite about building a club to the baseball. LSU and Vanderbilt were unfazed by the baseball.fricking Vanderbilt won a national championship before we did.Vanderbilt! frick mediocre.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 2:19 pm to skirpnasty
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You said "to this point". I wasn't comparing current coaches, I read it as you claiming Cohen is the most accomplished coach we've ever had.
It also read "On Campus" which eliminated former coaches in my mind, sorry we missed each other a bit on that one.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:29 pm to tb27688
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Our hitting has been shite since Cohen has been here and there needs to be some changes made.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 11:33 am to tb27688
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Our hitting has been shite since Cohen has been here and there needs to be some changes made.
This is kind of my underlying point of this thread. I in no way think he should be fired after this season.
But we haven't hit well at all under his entire tenure. We got away with it before with good pitching and small ball. That style won't work with the new balls. Can he adapt or will the changes to the game lead us to need a new style of coach
Posted on 4/30/15 at 1:31 pm to deltaland
When you listen to Cohen talk about our offense he always talks about the size of our park and the size of the Omaha park as the reason he builds teams the way he does.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:55 pm to tb27688
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When you listen to Cohen talk about our offense he always talks about the size of our park and the size of the Omaha park as the reason he builds teams the way he does.
Yeah that really helped when we were swinging for the fences in the world series and made ZERO adjustments when it was obvious there were no balls going over that fence those nights.
And then when we have this new ball coming in...it came in...the game changed...and we're still playing small ball....Yeah that was great too.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 3:51 pm to TaxmanMSU
My thoughts also. You build a great team with great players. LSU has great players every year. There's no excuse for us not to be the same way.
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