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Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:21 am
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:21 am
In Muschamp's final season, UF was 3-1, with a blowout loss to Alabama and 2 close wins against Kentucky and Tennessee heading into a big early home game against LSU (sound familiar?)
UF had some bad luck and some poor game management late, and they lost a game they should have won 27-30.
UF fell to 3-2, and had Missouri coming to town the next week after they had a tough loss of their own to Georgia 34-0. They did not rebound, and were embarrassed 42-13 in the next game by that Missouri team. That was when I knew for sure, that Muschamp had lost the team and that he would never be the coach at UF for another year, no matter what happened after that.
Fast forward to 2017:
UF is 3-2 again, after a loss to LSU they should NOT have suffered, and face a talented Texas A&M squad coming off a tough loss to Alabama at home 27-19.
The difference between 2014 and 2017, however, is that this team still has everything to play for. They can still win out and win the SEC east. It sounds foolish even reading that as I type it, but they still control their own destiny.
I firmly believe that no matter what happens in this game, or the rest of the season for that matter, that UF needs to replace key members of their offensive coaching staff after this season.
However, I haven't completely given up on Mac yet. This is the game that will decide his fate in my eyes. Does he rally the team for a much needed win this week? Or do we get pummeled, like I very much expect?
Stay tuned...
UF had some bad luck and some poor game management late, and they lost a game they should have won 27-30.
UF fell to 3-2, and had Missouri coming to town the next week after they had a tough loss of their own to Georgia 34-0. They did not rebound, and were embarrassed 42-13 in the next game by that Missouri team. That was when I knew for sure, that Muschamp had lost the team and that he would never be the coach at UF for another year, no matter what happened after that.
Fast forward to 2017:
UF is 3-2 again, after a loss to LSU they should NOT have suffered, and face a talented Texas A&M squad coming off a tough loss to Alabama at home 27-19.
The difference between 2014 and 2017, however, is that this team still has everything to play for. They can still win out and win the SEC east. It sounds foolish even reading that as I type it, but they still control their own destiny.
I firmly believe that no matter what happens in this game, or the rest of the season for that matter, that UF needs to replace key members of their offensive coaching staff after this season.
However, I haven't completely given up on Mac yet. This is the game that will decide his fate in my eyes. Does he rally the team for a much needed win this week? Or do we get pummeled, like I very much expect?
Stay tuned...
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Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:30 am to slayerxing
The correlation is certainly intriguing.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 11:59 am to gatordmb89
Mac will be here 4 years at least...stop it. Boom went 4-8 in his third year (2013) but with cause as the training room was full of starters out for the season....never have I seen so many injuries.
But he wasn't fired...2014 was on Muschamp and I cant even understand what happened. We did manage to throttle UGA with about 300+ rushing yds though. It didn't matter the fate was sealed......he had four years. 2012 was a great year...but '13 & 14?
But he wasn't fired...2014 was on Muschamp and I cant even understand what happened. We did manage to throttle UGA with about 300+ rushing yds though. It didn't matter the fate was sealed......he had four years. 2012 was a great year...but '13 & 14?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 12:22 pm to reel_gator8
^^ Where are you getting 4 years? Is hit a presidential race or finding the best Head Coach for UF? I've personally seen enough. I think it's time to move on, just like I knew it was time to move on from Muschamp in year 2. I don't care about Wins/Losses. Are you moving forward as a program? Are you getting better or worst as the season progresses? Are you developing men on and off the field? Are they getting better? Both Muschamp and McElwain have had too many players go backwards during the season, they didn't get better. The same stupid mistakes in week 1 rears its ugly head in game 10. That's a problem.
I think we go 3-3 at best to end the season. Most likely 2-4. I think we may get upset by UAB. That's how little faith I have in this coach. Firing some of the staff won't change his culture already established.
I think we go 3-3 at best to end the season. Most likely 2-4. I think we may get upset by UAB. That's how little faith I have in this coach. Firing some of the staff won't change his culture already established.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 12:29 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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GatorNation4Lyfe
Thank you for your optimism 4 Lyfe. I suggest you contact the AD with your feelings and I'm sure he would be most receptive.
I'm getting 4 yrs because he hasn't even had 3 yet wiseguy. I know a loss brings out the pitchforks and torches crowd. But you may as well sit back and try to enjoy life. He will be here through 2018. And if we replace him after 2018? You sometimes have to be careful what you wish for.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:16 pm to gatordmb89
Mac is bad, give up on him.
How everyone hasnt is amazing.
He recruited poorly for years. Now we have a paper thin defense.
He has insanely bad in game coaching issues. She end of both halves. Just mind boggling.
He won't make the proper moves we all see. Nord and NUSS having jobs is purely because they are buddies with Mac and neither are good enough.
He is too passive, and sounds far to much like Butch Jones.
He has no ability to out coach. He just wins when he has more talent.
Can't develop a QB.
Can't improve the line for three years.
Can't get Playmakers the ball. See Toney and Davis not touching it as much as possible till the last quarter yet again,
You can hold out hope, but its false hope. He simply isn't good enough. We only delay the inevitable by keeping him.
How everyone hasnt is amazing.
He recruited poorly for years. Now we have a paper thin defense.
He has insanely bad in game coaching issues. She end of both halves. Just mind boggling.
He won't make the proper moves we all see. Nord and NUSS having jobs is purely because they are buddies with Mac and neither are good enough.
He is too passive, and sounds far to much like Butch Jones.
He has no ability to out coach. He just wins when he has more talent.
Can't develop a QB.
Can't improve the line for three years.
Can't get Playmakers the ball. See Toney and Davis not touching it as much as possible till the last quarter yet again,
You can hold out hope, but its false hope. He simply isn't good enough. We only delay the inevitable by keeping him.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:46 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Now we have a paper thin defense.
Uh, injuries and suspensions???
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He just wins when he has more talent.
Hmm needs talent to win. What a concept.
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Can't improve the line for three years.
Youre joking... right?
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See Toney and Davis not touching it as much as possible till the last quarter yet again,
Uh, dude. Do you even Gator?? Pretty sure they both had carries in the 3rd when we couldve tied
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:02 pm to dbuchanon
We signed 3 DTs in 2 years Mac's been here. We have only 4 LBers, the rest are busts. The OL still looks like shite. We somehow managed to miss on 80% of the DB-S we signed in 2016. So much so we needed the 2017 class to save them. Mac's defensive recruiting is FAR WORSE than WMs offensive recruiting as a whole. Mac can't coach. Hell watch the games. He's almost never in the huddle when the team is there. He's 20+ yds away. Toney and Davis had just 20 touches and Toney had zero catches. That's not enough.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 5:08 pm to reel_gator8
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I'm getting 4 yrs because he hasn't even had 3 yet wiseguy. I know a loss brings out the pitchforks and torches crowd. But you may as well sit back and try to enjoy life. He will be here through 2018. And if we replace him after 2018? You sometimes have to be careful what you wish for.
My life will go on just fine if UF football win's or loses. Like I've said, the last decade I've been ambivalent to the program. I want us to win but it never surprises me when we lose. I wanted him gone after most wins. His teams are awfully coached. It is very evident. I've broke down simple things that even an average coach should know but he seems to not be very aware. UF is not the place to learn on the job. Foley fricked up 2 times in a row.
Why would I be careful for what I wish for? I have ZERO faith that McElwain can lead a program to a tile. ZERO. He has ZERO energy, does not seem to be able to motivate anyone, he has ZERO fire. He looks like a Gomer Pyle. I can't even understand him at his press conferences. WTF is he trying to say? What is he trying to accomplish. I want to jump off a ledge after he speaks. I can only imagine what a recruit is thinking when he shows up in their living room? He is a doofus. That's who we have as a coach. I look for people I can be proud of to lead. I don't see it with this guy. Horrible hire, horrible days ahead but just like Muschamp, I remain hopeful, while I know what I know. I use to be a recruit. Kids are coming to UF IN SPITE of this guy.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 5:13 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
Oh, and I absolutely HATE excuses for failure. We're hurt, we have guys suspended, the line is thin, we don't have a QB, we're dealt a bad hand, etc., etc., etc. You can't ever be successful making excuses. NO ONE CARES. We all have problems, you are hired to win games. Period. I don't want to hear a sob story. Are you getting better? Are you making small steps? Do you end the season on an upward trend?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 5:13 pm to reel_gator8
Sounds like your saying their is a chance he is fired after the season.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 5:20 pm to tjv305
I doubt it. Even I think he deserves 4 years as long as he finds a new offensive staff in the off season.
But this offensive staff is NOT THE ANSWER. If he convinces himself that it is, he should be canned too because that means he's an idiot.
But this offensive staff is NOT THE ANSWER. If he convinces himself that it is, he should be canned too because that means he's an idiot.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 5:31 pm to TJGator1215
Don't use basic thought for these morons. These idiots supported MUschamp till the bitter end too. These people don't know anything about football. They just love UF or so much and winning and losing means nothing to them. They don't care if UF succeeds, they would rather failure than be mean and fire a coach.
Anyone with a pulse can watch UF and see a terribly coached team. Blind homers cant, but they aren't really human. Just cardboard cheerleaders.
Anyone with a pulse can watch UF and see a terribly coached team. Blind homers cant, but they aren't really human. Just cardboard cheerleaders.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 6:10 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Don't use basic thought for these morons. These idiots supported MUschamp till the bitter end too. These people don't know anything about football. They just love UF or so much and winning and losing means nothing to them. They don't care if UF succeeds, they would rather failure than be mean and fire a coach.
Anyone with a pulse can watch UF and see a terribly coached team. Blind homers cant, but they aren't really human. Just cardboard cheerleaders.
Almost no one here supported Muschamp -- and there's a strong argument that the way he left the team is responsible for how the team has been.
In spite of having no offensive line, McElwain won the East. Twice in a row.
The problem with this year is that every productive player we've had on offense (which has been a decade long problem at Florida -- NOT for the last two and a half years) has been injured or suspended.
Again:
Davis is the best running back we've had in years. If not the best we've had in the last decade.
Cleveland is the best receiver we've had in 10 years, easily. EASILY.
Toney is the best playmaker we've had in 10 years.
All he needs to do is get the depth worked out, the roster was left barebones when got in on offense and defense.
Again, I'll ask again: Where are the Muschamp seniors and juniors? Most of them left early to the NFL on defense, but after that he did not recruit.
After his players, there were no cornerbacks, no linebackers and no line (until McElwain saved the day, our line is still nasty). At Safety we lost our best safety before the season started.
Where are the Muschamp juniors and seniors on Offense? There isn't a single player outside of Goolsby and Powell, who are being outplayed by younger players. Do you have any idea how awful it is to come in and basically be told:
Build an offense.
Get a QB when you had a great one but he got banned from the NCAA for a year.
Get an All-American receiver and running back, they get suspended for fraud.
Have your #1 quarterback off the field for three consecutive years.
Take an offense with 5 Freshmen, 3 Sophomores and 3 upperclassmen (two on offensive line, one tight end) and go win a game? Then have knownothing fans come in and criticize the coach and ask for his head when he's playing against a team laden with 4 and 5*s on both sides of the ball?
Even the recruits have clearer vision than you guys.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 6:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Dude you and Reel argued with me for an entire year that WM needed time. Save that shite. You're making the exact same argument again except you changed the names. Somethings never change.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 6:26 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
This argument is stupid. There aren't any more Muschamp DBs because THEY ALL WENT TO THE NFL.
And if this unit had Marcell Harris, a Muschamp guy, it would be SO MUCH BETTER.
And if this unit had Marcell Harris, a Muschamp guy, it would be SO MUCH BETTER.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 6:33 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
But like I said in the OP, I haven't given up on Mac yet. He can prove a lot to me with how he and the team respond in this next game.
I have officially given up on the offensive coaching staff however. Nuss and co. need to go.
I have officially given up on the offensive coaching staff however. Nuss and co. need to go.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 6:38 pm to slayerxing
I'll tell you how this team will respond. We'll come out looking ok in the 1st and then once TAMU settles in they'll blow the doors off of US. Mac will get snarky after the game and blame the lack of execution and players again. And yet he still loves this team.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:10 pm to slayerxing
Mac has only himself to blame. Still blaming MUschamp is down right pathetic. Jesus Christ. You morons blamed Meter for four years because you aren't intelligent enough to see past the blind homer glasses. Once again, naysayers will be correct. Then we will hear how you believed they should be fired all along(as you literally just did).
Mac sucks. He has created average as a culture for UF. Oh shucks Mac, at least you're proud of the guys!!
As Bryan Cox put it..high school offense. Just trash.
Mac sucks. He has created average as a culture for UF. Oh shucks Mac, at least you're proud of the guys!!
As Bryan Cox put it..high school offense. Just trash.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:14 pm to TJGator1215
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We'll come out looking ok in the 1st and then once TAMU settles in they'll blow the doors off of US.
So a full team is going to wear down the team missing half its depth??
Move over Gruden, we got a fkn genius here
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