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Posted on 10/8/17 at 8:40 am
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 8:40 am
Before I get into this shite, I want to say Gator Growl was fricking awesome, the night before was fricking awesome, the atmosphere before the game was fricking awesome, the Tom Petty tribute was one of the coolest experiences I've ever been a part of and I'm in the boat that says make that a permanent tradition, and the atmosphere at the game was top notch. It was hot, the crowd was intense, and it felt like the rivalry we all know this series has become. It was electric.

Now onto the shitshow.

First, I think we're poorly coached on defense. That's not to say "fire everybody", but I think we're getting out coached by other offenses. I'm a Joe Schmo, I like to think I know football but I couldn't do what these coaches do for a living. But on the 2 yard touchdown pass I said to my buddy "play action and they're gonna throw it to 44 in the flats and he won't be covered", and sure fricking enough, that's what happened. I understand we're young, and I understand the defense made adjustments to the little reverse sweep thing LSU did, but it shouldn't have taken so fricking long to make the adjustment. That was a bad offensive team that we made look good. We've lost the aggression that we used to play with on defense under Geoff Collins. It's obvious Randy Shannon is a great defensive mind based on his track record, and I'm not going to call for him to be fired (mostly because I think fans that do this after every single game, win or loss, have no fricking idea what they're talking about), but I do think he needs to adjust and start being more exotic with his stunts, twists, blitzes, etc. shite I don't know. Just something to get our defense feeling more confident.

On offense, there's a few things that irk me with Nussmeier. Well, more than a few but I'll just talk about a few. First, we have NOTHING to lose. Be fricking aggressive and trust Franks to throw the ball more than 15 times a game. 15 passes is not our offense. It never has been before this year. Run the fricking offense. Ride or die with Franks. It's fricking stupid to give him 13 pass attempts for the game and show that you don't trust him, then put the game in his hands on 3rd and 4th down with less than two minutes left. It makes no fricking sense. Another thing that irks me about Nuss is the lack of doing what works. I watched Troy throw wide receiver screens up and down those mother frickers field last we, and I watched us throw that shite all fricking season, and I swear to God we didn't run it one time on them. I don't get it man. It makes no sense. I watched in person and absolutely hammered, maybe we did run it a couple of times, but damn spread them out with those passes and that'll lead to even more success in the run game. Last, they need to get the ball to Malik Davis as much as possible and I've seen several people say this. But, and this is not in defense of Nuss, I've seen people saying that Davis needs 25 carries. I don't know that he is ready for that. It's not a matter of skill, I think he's certainly ready to carry that kind of load. My concern is that his body is not ready. He was a summer enrollee, hasn't had as much time in the program, and he was exhausted on a couple of runs down by the goal line in the first half where it would've been nice to have a fresh running back to pound it in. Instead we settled for a field goal and it costed us the game.

Kadarius Toney looked good on his touches and I've seen people saying that he should have had more in the fourth quarter, but guys, after the long wildcat run he hurt his shoulder and went into the locker room for a few drives, then came back out and wasn't 100%. We needed Franks to be able to step up and he couldn't do it yet. Partially because of poor play calling, partially because of poor decision making on his part, and partially because of the general lack of trust the coaches show him they have in him. I love how aggressive Mac is at times on fourth downs and short, but I absolutely HATE how conservative he allows Nuss to be in opportunities at the end of the half. I wish they'd show more confidence in the players they recruited. It's frustrating to think about so I'll just stop there.

Here's where I'm sure I'll have people disagree with me.

I'm not calling to fire Mac. He knows what he's doing on offense. I've seen it with my own two eyes in the 2009 SEC Championship, I've seen the stats for Colorado state, and I've seen the offense work in spurts here. The offense can work and I think he will make it work again. I don't like being critical, I like being a fan and supporting and cheering my arse off for my team. I fricking hate losing to rivals, I fricking hate losing at home, and I fricking hate losing games that we should win. Despite the 15+ players we were missing, we were still the better team yesterday and we found a way to lose it. I'm tired of taking two or three steps forward and then one step back. I hate Mac giving ammo to the negative fans that jump on this shite and never give it a rest. I don't see any way that he brings back Nuss and I think he makes a good hire to replace him and we'll be fine.

Mac better not make it a habit of losing at home. I'll be there next weekend to support them, in Jacksonville, and in every home game we play after that. I want the best for us and I hope for the best for us. I want to see progression. We saw that the last three games. We did not progress yesterday. We got worse. That game is in the past now, and it's time to find a way to make progress in the next game. Go Gators
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:09 am to
Yes I was pissed about the lack of screens as well, LSU was teeing off on us and we didnt do anything to take advantage.
We made Matt Canada look like a friggan mastermind. You must reapect the jet motion by either having that man go with him or bumping the secondary over.

Im done with Nuss, we must find someone else to call plays, Mac if need be.
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6421 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:30 am to
quote:

I'm not calling to fire Mac. He knows what he's doing on offense.

Wow... I don't agree with this at all. I think he's the reason we suck. Teams are defined by your leadership and top down, we are not very good. In fact, we're flat out awful. I could easily blame it on the suspensions and injuries but this is an EVERY year, every game occurrence with this staff. Can you even think of a game where the players executed well? It's always a derp fest. There's a point where you have to stop blaming the players and consider the source.

The worst part? You mentioned the exciting environment leading up to the game. The electric atmosphere in the swamp. Then our players take the field and it's back to the shite show that we are all accustomed to. Are expectations have been lowered.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 11:05 am to
We just lost to the worst LSU team since the 1990s, when Spurrier made LSU look like ULM on a consistent basis.

Not even gonna bother addressing the rest of your post since I've posted the same concerns about Nuss and McElwain ever since the Michigan game, and I've been called an idiot for doing so.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 11:18 am to
I somewhat agree with Atl who is being a fan and a fan is suppose to support his/her team.

On the pass in the flats by LSU...Lenton, a true frosh was covering...or suppose to cover. We have NO choice but to have a freaking youth brigade in the backfield and true sophs as LBs. I wish we would blitz more....but I understand why we don't....with the frosh & youth in the backfield....we try to have as many back there as we can.

The reason we didn't throw more is simple...first, we had poor field position most of the first half...so did LSU and both teams played SEC style hard nose football and tried to get field position. Secondly, we couldn't protect Franks from pass rushes...just as LSU couldn't protect Eitling.

Atl already stated what some don't understand, Davis is a great runner, but only 195 lbs....we try to rest him and then use his fresh legs to break free from tackles. Perrine ran hard...we had almost 200 yds rushing. LSU 206. It was close. No we didn't lose because of botched extra point. We had chances and couldn't do it.

LSU came in fired up. That's a fact. Their back was to the wall and that's a dangerous team. Our back should be to the wall next week...and if we don't play like it, I will be disappointed. We have 1 SEC loss. And even though we have played poorly at times...we could beat UGA and be in the east hunt. We will beat the girls school in the Swamp imo.
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12494 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 11:39 am to
I think changes are needed . Either a new OC after the season or new staff after 2018. I personally think it's best long term to just clean house after 2018. If Mac was the offensive mastermind he claims then he would have took over the offense and fixed the issues. No great head coach would let their side of the ball looked this bad for 3 years. If Nuss was going to be fired it should have been last year. I think we have to wait till 2018 to get a change . If we are not going to spend money on a new coaching staff then they should just keep this one and deal with not being able to sell out and having fans more on to other things. We have been cheap with coordinator hires other then Collins. We have an OC that was fired from his last 2 jobs and a DC That was a position coach at Arkansas. At least LSU went out and hired big name coordinators to hide their weakness at head coach.
Posted by AlbinoGator
Member since Oct 2016
2091 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:54 pm to
If you want corral then nuss will need to stay 1 more year because nuss is the only reason he committed to Florida.

I am not a nuss fan either but without our deep threat we are terrible on offense where ( with all the praise) has massey been, hammond and swain just are not good receivers. and why did we not throw to the tight ends at all.

If I am Copeland and Chase I would not come to Florida I'm telling you guys now we lose both of those receivers
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12494 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 2:49 pm to
I agree . I am not sure why any top offensive recruit would want to come here with the way our offense has been playing .
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

I agree . I am not sure why any top offensive recruit would want to come here with the way our offense has been playing .


Tyrie Cleveland would have been a Freshman All-American last year if he would have played all year.

Toney (3*) will be an FAA.

Malik Davis (3*) will be an FAA.

If we can do that with them, what on Earth do you think McElwain can do with guys like that?

If Grier was playing here, and hadn't been a retard with PEDs, what do you think the offense looks like?

Do you think we even lose a game last year outside of Alabama?

What do you think our offense would look like this year?

He needs a quarterback, a gamer, one with some confidence -- Franks has none of those qualities. We don't have confidence in him because he doesn't even have confidence in himself.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 3:38 pm to
Oh BTW Box, in 1997 Spurrier was beaten soundly by LSU & UGA. We had just lost a Heisman, great WRs and some damn good OL.

So even Spurrier himself did not have recruits ready to step up and the back QB who took over for Danny was off/on a lot.

Of course all the other years we owned them. But in 1992 we were hammered by Moo State and UT early...then our two true frosh OTs got better and we won the inaugural east division by beating UGA. Same thing as in 1997 happened in 1992...Spurrier inherited a very stout defense (ask him and he will tell you), they were gone in 1992 along with a lot of other talent.

Although Spurrier inherited a stout defense...he also inherited a piss poor offense that makes 2017s look like the Green Bay Packers. In 1988 & 1989 you would cry watching that shite. QBs like Kyle Morris (along with Shane Matthews who was suspended for a year) expelled for gambling, Lex Smith and Donald Douglas made for hard viewing. It was Emmitt left and right and up the middle...period.
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6421 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

If Grier was playing here, and hadn't been a retard with PEDs, what do you think the offense looks like?

It is very easy to blame Grier and all the guys currently suspended for doing stupid shite. Their comes a time when you have to realize that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. McElwain has to get a grip on HIS TEAM and players. Why do you think this happens at UF and not Bama? Blame the players if you want but when do you ever hold the coach accountable?
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:04 pm to
It does happen at Bama. They're talented enough to overcome it right now. We're, and every other team in the country outside of Bama, not talented enough to overcome 15 players including our best two wide receivers, best running back, and best safety being out for the year. It's a knock on recruiting yes, but also a fair amount of bad luck.

Be rational. Do you think we win anything in 2006 without Dallas Baker, Percy Harvin, Deshaun Wynn, and Reggie Nelson?

Absolutely not.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:23 pm to
quote:

It is very easy to blame Grier and all the guys currently suspended for doing stupid shite. Their comes a time when you have to realize that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. McElwain has to get a grip on HIS TEAM and players. Why do you think this happens at UF and not Bama? Blame the players if you want but when do you ever hold the coach accountable?


I do blame the coaches, but no one fricking told Grier to take PEDs. Sure McElwain could have given him another chance, but the risk of him reoffending and getting banned probably spooked our HC, and can you blame him?

I'm asking you a really, really simple question: What do you think happens if Grier stays? If this offense has an actual quarterback with experience playing instead of a work-in-progress in Franks?

I'll tell you what happens: Outside of Alabama, we don't lose a game.

Ever.

The offense has been producing much better -- shite, when was the last time you saw a running back actually run like that? We're 100% in the Red Zone, when have you seen that? And the vast majority are touchdowns.

If we have the pieces, we're unstoppable, and we've recruited the pieces -- they're coming in next year if they don't decommit.

Do you think the LSU game is anywhere near the same with Luke Del Rio? Do you think having your #1 QB, WR, RB and #2 WR all go down or get put out and you just ''plug in'' another player?

They had a terrible gameplan, the coaches did, but Alabama does the same thing.

So did motherfricking Oklahoma. Had a bad plan, didn't execute, lost the game.

This loss fricking sucks, but the sky is not falling quite yet. If Davis doesn't get fed at least 20 times the next game, we know it's only a matter of time.
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