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The current state of UF football (long post)
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:26 pm
But before I begin... Let me say this. I went to school and graduated from UF. I've had FAMILY that went to UF. I'm allowed to say whatever the hell I want to say about the school that has been a part of me for all of my life because I have never rooted for another school and never will.
Right now the football program sucks.
It fricking sucks. And it sucks to watch it fricking suck.
And it pains me to see so many people make god damn excuse after excuse after excuse for this coaching staff.
Want reality? This is it:
McElwain is 24-7. At this point, Muschamp was 24-7.
McElwain won 2 East titles. Muschamp has won zero. Credit to McElwain.
McElwain has fielded WORSE offenses than Muschamp did, while now currently fielding a worse defense than Muschamp EVER did. Muschamp had the benefit of using Meyer recruits like McElwain had the benefit of using Muschamp recruits. And yet? (McElwain's favorite phrase BTW) The defense is still horrible.
In fact, UF gave up over 200+ yards rushing a game 5 times last year and is on pace to do so MORE this year and we're not even halfway through the season yet.
McElwain has brought in Appleby, Trask, Franks, and Zaire through recruiting and transfers. Guess what? All of them SUCK, with Appleby looking the least shitty of the bunch, which isn't saying much at all.
I ask on what planet does anyone following UF football think this is acceptable?
And winning the East is not a big deal at all. Muschamp dealt with a tougher East than McElwain did, with Spurriers top South Carolina teams and Pinkel's last decent Mizzou teams.
I will never stop being a UF "fan", but undoubtedly people on this board will question my fandom, and probably forget that I was one of McElwain's STRONGEST supporters on this board for the last 2 years.
Fire away.
Right now the football program sucks.
It fricking sucks. And it sucks to watch it fricking suck.
And it pains me to see so many people make god damn excuse after excuse after excuse for this coaching staff.
Want reality? This is it:
McElwain is 24-7. At this point, Muschamp was 24-7.
McElwain won 2 East titles. Muschamp has won zero. Credit to McElwain.
McElwain has fielded WORSE offenses than Muschamp did, while now currently fielding a worse defense than Muschamp EVER did. Muschamp had the benefit of using Meyer recruits like McElwain had the benefit of using Muschamp recruits. And yet? (McElwain's favorite phrase BTW) The defense is still horrible.
In fact, UF gave up over 200+ yards rushing a game 5 times last year and is on pace to do so MORE this year and we're not even halfway through the season yet.
McElwain has brought in Appleby, Trask, Franks, and Zaire through recruiting and transfers. Guess what? All of them SUCK, with Appleby looking the least shitty of the bunch, which isn't saying much at all.
I ask on what planet does anyone following UF football think this is acceptable?
And winning the East is not a big deal at all. Muschamp dealt with a tougher East than McElwain did, with Spurriers top South Carolina teams and Pinkel's last decent Mizzou teams.
I will never stop being a UF "fan", but undoubtedly people on this board will question my fandom, and probably forget that I was one of McElwain's STRONGEST supporters on this board for the last 2 years.
Fire away.
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 4:27 pm
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Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:32 pm to boXerrumble
I’m having trouble figuring out if you still support him or not. 
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:33 pm to finchmeister08
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I’m having trouble figuring out if you still support him or not.
I defended him until the Michigan game. I have not defended him since then.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:00 pm to boXerrumble
You're right in some things, wrong in many others.
The major differences are: Muschamp had a team coming off of a championship three years beforehand, the team had gone 13 - 1 two years before he stepped on campus, 8 - 5 the year directly before.
21 - 6 ain't bad to take over the team, and there was talent all over the place on offense.
Fastforward, McElwain takes over a team that over the past two years were losing more games than they were winning -- and the East was down those years, too.
He turned the program from losing like that, and gave us back to back 10 win seasons. In fact, he has two extra losses that he wouldn't have had he not won the East two years in a row.
He would also have two wins that he should have if he hadn't had two cupcakes cancelled.
26 - 5 is what he'd look like without those factors.
On offense, we've had several points that have improved in time. We're 100% in the Red Zone, and we're pretty much running at will on defenses. LDR set a throwing record last year against Kentucky since 2008. 2002 was the last time we had 5 touchdowns from running backs. The offense is now playing with pure freshmen at every facet of the game because Muschamp failed to recruit even at a mediocre level on offense, and loaded up on his defense.
In the LSU game: There wasn't a single upperclassman in our pure skill positions outside of Powell.
On defense, we lost almost all of our depth due to the fraud case -- which admittedly, is partially on McElwain. He can't be there all the time for these kids, but no one really knows how retarded kids will be. The defensive line has looked better the last two years and even this year than any year with Muschamp. At defensive back we rotate six freshmen and at linebacker we don't have an upperclassmen starting/playing outside of a walk-on.
Special teams is markedly better.
Muschamp never had a problem with depth until his last two years -- when Meyer's recruits were trailing off and he showed that he had no capacity to actually run the team.
With McElwain, he never had the chance to get bodies on the field -- lost seven starters on defense and was playing catch up on the huge, gaping holes that Muschamp left him.
Muschamp was left with a very talented team, McElwain was left with an absolute mess at every position on the field outside of Cornerback.
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That being said:
The last game was pitifully called, planned and executed at the coaching level. They came unprepared (again) and had no backup plan (again, as in all losses).
How much of it is because Franks is extremely limited in starting what, third or fourth game of the year, ever at this level?
How much of it is because he lost his best receivers (who he had been working with the most) and his best running back?
How much of this is because our best managing quarterback broke his fricking collarbone last week?
A lot of it is due to those reasons, and really: If McElwain actually gets the pieces, we know he can make it work.
It worked really well with Grier.
It was working with Callaway and Cleveland (who have looked better even as underclassman than any receiver in Muschamp's tenure.
Toney is the best player we've had since Harvin on offense, he was a three star.
Davis is the best running back we've had since...who the frick knows. He's already lighyears ahead of a shite ton of running backs we've seen come to Florida.
So what we're seeing, as I reiterate: Is that we need the pieces, just like last year. We need to scheme better, shite, if McElwain played like he had players from Colorado we'd be just fine.
Next week is a deciding week: Sink or swim? Now it should be painfully obvious what he needs to do all game. Fans know it, commentators know it, they have to watch the news, check social media.
It's time for him to put up or shut up.
The major differences are: Muschamp had a team coming off of a championship three years beforehand, the team had gone 13 - 1 two years before he stepped on campus, 8 - 5 the year directly before.
21 - 6 ain't bad to take over the team, and there was talent all over the place on offense.
Fastforward, McElwain takes over a team that over the past two years were losing more games than they were winning -- and the East was down those years, too.
He turned the program from losing like that, and gave us back to back 10 win seasons. In fact, he has two extra losses that he wouldn't have had he not won the East two years in a row.
He would also have two wins that he should have if he hadn't had two cupcakes cancelled.
26 - 5 is what he'd look like without those factors.
On offense, we've had several points that have improved in time. We're 100% in the Red Zone, and we're pretty much running at will on defenses. LDR set a throwing record last year against Kentucky since 2008. 2002 was the last time we had 5 touchdowns from running backs. The offense is now playing with pure freshmen at every facet of the game because Muschamp failed to recruit even at a mediocre level on offense, and loaded up on his defense.
In the LSU game: There wasn't a single upperclassman in our pure skill positions outside of Powell.
On defense, we lost almost all of our depth due to the fraud case -- which admittedly, is partially on McElwain. He can't be there all the time for these kids, but no one really knows how retarded kids will be. The defensive line has looked better the last two years and even this year than any year with Muschamp. At defensive back we rotate six freshmen and at linebacker we don't have an upperclassmen starting/playing outside of a walk-on.
Special teams is markedly better.
Muschamp never had a problem with depth until his last two years -- when Meyer's recruits were trailing off and he showed that he had no capacity to actually run the team.
With McElwain, he never had the chance to get bodies on the field -- lost seven starters on defense and was playing catch up on the huge, gaping holes that Muschamp left him.
Muschamp was left with a very talented team, McElwain was left with an absolute mess at every position on the field outside of Cornerback.
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That being said:
The last game was pitifully called, planned and executed at the coaching level. They came unprepared (again) and had no backup plan (again, as in all losses).
How much of it is because Franks is extremely limited in starting what, third or fourth game of the year, ever at this level?
How much of it is because he lost his best receivers (who he had been working with the most) and his best running back?
How much of this is because our best managing quarterback broke his fricking collarbone last week?
A lot of it is due to those reasons, and really: If McElwain actually gets the pieces, we know he can make it work.
It worked really well with Grier.
It was working with Callaway and Cleveland (who have looked better even as underclassman than any receiver in Muschamp's tenure.
Toney is the best player we've had since Harvin on offense, he was a three star.
Davis is the best running back we've had since...who the frick knows. He's already lighyears ahead of a shite ton of running backs we've seen come to Florida.
So what we're seeing, as I reiterate: Is that we need the pieces, just like last year. We need to scheme better, shite, if McElwain played like he had players from Colorado we'd be just fine.
Next week is a deciding week: Sink or swim? Now it should be painfully obvious what he needs to do all game. Fans know it, commentators know it, they have to watch the news, check social media.
It's time for him to put up or shut up.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:00 pm to boXerrumble
No complaints from me, boX. I agree with ya bud. It is no longer enjoyable to watch UF games. All games are tight, doesn't matter the competition and stressful as frick to watch.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:11 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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The last game was pitifully called, planned and executed at the coaching level. They came unprepared (again) and had no backup plan (again, as in all losses).
FSU, Vandy, FAU 2015.
Arkansas 2016.
Michigan, LSU 2017.
The amount of evidence now is just staggering.
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How much of it is because Franks is extremely limited in starting what, third or fourth game of the year, ever at this level?
There are true freshman QBs ALL OVER CFB performing at a high level. This is not an excuse for UF.
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How much of it is because he lost his best receivers (who he had been working with the most) and his best running back?
Somehow, I doubt even if they were playing, this would be different.
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How much of this is because our best managing quarterback broke his fricking collarbone last week?
If we can't rely on a 5* QB that McElwain recruited and rshirted after 2 years on campus...
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It worked really well with Grier.
It did. And McElwain thought Grier should have to earn it back (look at the shitshow ever since).
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It was working with Callaway and Cleveland (who have looked better even as underclassman than any receiver in Muschamp's tenure.
Somewhat. Still no offensive strategy or rhythm since Grier left.
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Toney is the best player we've had since Harvin on offense, he was a three star.
Davis is the best running back we've had since...who the frick knows. He's already lighyears ahead of a shite ton of running backs we've seen come to Florida.
Davis, Toney, and Cleveland should combined be touching the ball 30-40 times a game. Perine should be in there as well.
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So what we're seeing, as I reiterate: Is that we need the pieces, just like last year. We need to scheme better, shite, if McElwain played like he had players from Colorado we'd be just fine.
Next week is a deciding week: Sink or swim? Now it should be painfully obvious what he needs to do all game. Fans know it, commentators know it, they have to watch the news, check social media.
It's time for him to put up or shut up.
I wanna see Claribelle at QB.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:13 pm to gatordmb89
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It is no longer enjoyable to watch UF games. All games are tight, doesn't matter the competition and stressful as frick to watch.
Maybe its because I'm older, but I agree too. Its tough to watch these games.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:16 pm to boXerrumble
You guys just dont have the right "coping juice"
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:21 pm to dbuchanon
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You guys just dont have the right "coping juice"
I try to stay away from alcohol these days
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:25 pm to gatordmb89
I said the day after Muschamp was fired that the next guy whoever it was gonna be was going to get 4 years to clean up this mess no matter what.
However I didn't think Foley was gonna retire at the time and the new coach was gonna have to work under a new AD.
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I've watched a lot of press conferences of Mac since he got here and he was ultra confident going into this year. He has always had that weird bout to cry voice after a game but it's gotten more noticeable this year. It's gotten worse every day after the Michigan debacle. It's almost as if he has been given an ultimatum to win or he is gone this year. It's not crazy to believe. He is coaching scared this year. He was damn near a riverboat gambler his first 2 years here and he is ultra conservative now. If he goes 5-6 this year, Stricklin will can him and go for the homerun imo.
However I didn't think Foley was gonna retire at the time and the new coach was gonna have to work under a new AD.
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I've watched a lot of press conferences of Mac since he got here and he was ultra confident going into this year. He has always had that weird bout to cry voice after a game but it's gotten more noticeable this year. It's gotten worse every day after the Michigan debacle. It's almost as if he has been given an ultimatum to win or he is gone this year. It's not crazy to believe. He is coaching scared this year. He was damn near a riverboat gambler his first 2 years here and he is ultra conservative now. If he goes 5-6 this year, Stricklin will can him and go for the homerun imo.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:30 pm to olemc999
I dont see Mac getting fired with the 2 classes he has lined up
Unless we have a homerun hire which i dont see
Unless we have a homerun hire which i dont see
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:33 pm to dbuchanon
If he goes 5-6. The Swamp will be half full every game next year.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:38 pm to olemc999
Not with a top QB, WRs, RB, OL, coming in
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:38 pm to boXerrumble
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There are true freshman QBs ALL OVER CFB performing at a high level. This is not an excuse for UF.
Yeah, but they're not surrounded by Underclassmen.
Let's do some numbers here.
QB: Freshman.
RB: Freshman.
WR X: Sophomore.
WR Z: Sophomore.
WR Y: Freshman.
TE: Junior.
LT: Junior.
LG: Freshman.
C: Sophomore.
RG: Junior.
RT: Freshman.
So, if you're counting:
5 Freshman (Almost half of our offense)
3 Sophomore
3 Juniors.
There are few teams dealing with that kind of youth, and I'd wager that many wouldn't do very well.
What our Depth Chart SHOULD look like, without suspensions/injuries.
QB: Junior.
RB: Junior.
WR X: Junior.
WR Z: Sophomore.
WR Y: Freshman.
TE: Junior.
LT: Junior.
LG: Freshman.
C: Sophomore.
RG: Junior.
RT: Freshman.
Freshmen: 3
Sophomore: 2
Juniors: 6
That's a staggeringly different look at what is vs. what ought. It would absolutely make a huge difference.
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If we can't rely on a 5* QB that McElwain recruited and rshirted after 2 years on campus...
Franks is/was hardly a 5*.
I'm assuming you've never played QB before, or at least haevn't played a skill position on offense or defense?
He's a Freshman -- his entire Summer was spent throwing to Callaway. That means all of his routes, all of his chemistry and all of his communication was with the #1 Receiver.
So he's out, blam. All of that work is gone but it's okay -- he was working with Cleveland a lot, they seem to have some good chemistry.
Oops, he's injured, too. That sucks.
Now he's playing with backups, he doesn't know their tendencies nearly as well as he does the other two players who are faster, stronger, more able and run better routes to help their quarterback out.
So now, basically, Franks is having to relearn the offense. We have to change the offense up completely. Swain and Hammond are no where near the same level as Callaway and Cleveland -- not even close.
Even before that, we think LDR is going to take over for the year. LDR has a different style than FF. So the offense has to change yet again.
They should have had a more ''run heavy'' type of offense prepared, that's for goddamn sure.
More jet sweeps, option keepers, hell, run the wildcat until it gets stopped. Take the pressure away from Franks, have him just call the plays but in the end:
Retooling the entire offense before the LSU game is going to be hard, losing your biggest offensive weapons is going to suck. They should have had a better plan, but we can't undermine how fricked up this year has been for McElwain.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:42 pm to dbuchanon
If this season goes south then that class will not stay together. We will be negatively recruited at every turn.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:44 pm to olemc999
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I said the day after Muschamp was fired that the next guy whoever it was gonna be was going to get 4 years to clean up this mess no matter what.
People really have no idea how bad Muschamp left us on offense and even on defense. There were WILD gaps in the defense (at LB, DL and Safety especially) and it was obvious Muschamp had no clue on how to manage his Depth Chart, to fill the needs and the like.
The class McElwain has coming in -- unless they all jump ship -- is going to be monstruous. He's doing wonders with 3* freshmen, imagine what he's going to be like with some top 50 receivers, running backs and quarterbacks. Gonna be a whole different offense next year, even if they're young the talent alone will carry them.
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Call me a conspiracy theorist but I've watched a lot of press conferences of Mac since he got here and he was ultra confident going into this year. He has always had that weird bout to cry voice after a game but it's gotten more noticeable this year. It's gotten worse every day after the Michigan debacle. It's almost as if he has been given an ultimatum to win or he is gone this year. It's not crazy to believe. He is coaching scared this year. He was damn near a riverboat gambler his first 2 years here and he is ultra conservative now. If he goes 5-6 this year, Stricklin will can him and go for the homerun imo.
What can you do when your impact players on offense go down for fraud?
When your best quarterback breaks his collarbone'
When your best receiver (who was #2) isn't playing?
He'll get another year, and honestly after the injuries and suspensions he deserves it.
However.
If he has a losing season, he may very well see the door. I have serious doubts about it, but he has to make his changes now. He has to go crazy.
Now. Yesterday. It's time to completely retool the offense.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:46 pm to olemc999
Thats every class
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:49 pm to dbuchanon
Zook had the #2 class in the country when he was fired.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:57 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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More jet sweeps, option keepers, hell, run the wildcat until it gets stopped. Take the pressure away from Franks, have him just call the plays but in the end:
Retooling the entire offense before the LSU game is going to be hard, losing your biggest offensive weapons is going to suck. They should have had a better plan, but we can't undermine how fricked up this year has been for McElwain.
Yes, but LSU is horrible. We lost to the worst LSU team in over 20 years on our Homecoming.
Like frick man.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:57 pm to olemc999
With what Mac walked into, theyre not firing him for at least another season
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 5:58 pm
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