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re: Terrible loss, but long ways to go

Posted on 9/24/16 at 9:58 pm to
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 9/24/16 at 9:58 pm to
Watching Georgia today that game is just as winnable as Vandy and Mizzou.

South Carolina isn't good either.

Honestly, if Florida recovers, they shouldn't lose again before FSU, but we'll see.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 9/24/16 at 10:06 pm to
Arkansas is the best team left on our schedule before FSU.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 9/24/16 at 10:20 pm to
This staff doesn't know how to adjust. We'll drop a few more. That's 1-5 against the last 6 ranked teams. That defense is loaded with talent yet due to bad play/coaching gives up 400 yards and 35 points .
This post was edited on 9/24/16 at 10:36 pm
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 9/24/16 at 11:22 pm to
We thought the same about UT. LSU has a better defense, OL and fournette. We'll drop LSU, Arky, and FSU.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/24/16 at 11:30 pm to
Not directed at you, Slayer, but what really bothers me is that people can't take a loss. I told you guys, this isn't an overnight fix. Temper your expectations.

Tennessee just flat out wanted it more the second half and got some lucky bounces (mostly catches that were almost blind, as in the receivers weren't even really looking for the ball and just had fortune that they caught it), and then they outplayed it.

It happens with young dudes, and especially with quarterbacks playing their first game with the program.

Coaching came out and tried to shorten the game, which is what almost every coaching staff would try to do, and Tennessee got some lucky breaks, then they just seemed to click and get rowdy after that first touchdown.

The good thing is, we're scoring in the 30's+ consecutively.

Sure, we've got some things that we need to iron out, but like I've always said: We're one year away. fricking chill, we're fine.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:28 am to
That's an excuse Straw. Appleby didn't have any problems lighting up UT until we went conservative and refused to take shots thanks to Mac and Nusschamp. He had over 200 yards in the 1st half. They drained the play clock to 1 and UT knew all they had to do is wait to beat our OL. Great coaches don't try to shorten games, losers do. Great coaches coach to win. No sense of urgency down 17. No pass rush against an average OL, missed tackles and assignments. Unnecessary penalties, terrible special teams.
UT had 8 possessions of 3 plays or less and the plays in the second half were almost equal.Maybe we need coaches that are hired to beat our rivals and recruit because Mac is getting his shite kicked in against rivals and teams with a heartbeat. Michigan, LSU, FSU, UT, Bama. That's who we're losing to and behind in recruiting it won't get better until we can have the recruits and coaching to win. Sabans cussing out lane kiffin for bad play calls up 5 TDs. All Mac did was stand there with arms crossed. No anger just a blank face. UT adjusted and we played Muschamp ball and got smoked. Mac and this team doesn't have the killer instinct. He said as much in his PC after the game, he was nervous up 21-3. He should've been going deep especially considering we couldn't run.
Posted by LuciusSulla
Oxford, MS
Member since Nov 2010
2703 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 1:20 am to
Straws, I largely agree with you.

I do think that, at this point, the defense is overrated and that the DBs bought into their own hype. Steve Russell pointed out on his post game show tonight that the DB play was actually pretty bad in the first half as well. Guys were open all over the place, but they kept dropping the ball. That changed after the half.

The offense is better than last year though still not championship level. The OL is pretty abysmal still, but that wasn't going to be fixed by this point anyway. OL players take far longer to develop than anyone ever seems to give credit for.

What I'd like to see going forward, for all my opinion is worth:

1. Our DBs to shut the hell up about how great they are.
2. Coaching to stay aggressive even with a lead.
3. OL start dominating the teams they should dominate. UT was not one of these teams, but I think we can all safely assume that the inability for the line to dominate against UMass and UNT was not just paying down.
4. Clean up special teams.

And more than anything -

5. STOP THE STUPID PENALTIES.

That last one is driving me up the damned wall. The false starts a bad enough, but the unsportsmanlike penalties are just ridiculous. Those speak volumes about players playing purely off ego rather than as a unit, at least to me.
This post was edited on 9/25/16 at 1:21 am
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 1:55 am to
quote:

TJGator1215


quote:

Great coaches don't try to shorten games, losers do.


Mac didn't give up, the team did. That's Mac's fault to some degree, but the team needed a good ol' check because they had been able to lean on everyone. It's a good thing, losing like this usually inspires.

But, you don't want to listen to reason. You just want to look like a fricking a-hole on tRant and embarrass yourself on the Scoreboard. So it's just not worth walking down this path with you. You said Appleby sucked, and he did pretty well.

You said SC might come back with Muschamp, and he just lost to KY. Your football IQ is low.



To Lucius:

quote:

1. Our DBs to shut the hell up about how great they are.


Totally agree, more walking less talking.

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2. Coaching to stay aggressive even with a lead.


It's just what too many coaches do. Everyone suffers a comeback loss, especially when your team is young and loses its drive. Our running game was completely limp coming into the second half, because we could just lean on everyone.

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3. OL start dominating the teams they should dominate. UT was not one of these teams, but I think we can all safely assume that the inability for the line to dominate against UMass and UNT was not just paying down.


I don't know, because the first half our line beat them no problem but I just think Tennessee wanted it more. That first touchdown changed EVERYTHING, you could see that our defense just completely shut down and our offense did the same.

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4. Clean up special teams.


We can kick field goals, that makes me happy.

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5. STOP THE STUPID PENALTIES.


This is also something weird, but, the penalties have also been pretty awfully called this year. We've had two ejections that should have NEVER been ejections. Powell didn't even touch that guy and the guy did a soccer dive, the ref was looking right fricking at it again.

But those false starts, too, Tennessee was stunting all game, and I always thought that if they entered the neutral zone and you flinched it was on the defense.

Not saying we didn't commit the penalties, nor that we lost because of it, but there has been some very questionable refereering in the entire NCAA.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 3:38 am to
He gave up by trying to sit on the ball with Nusschamp calling the plays. It's Mac's offense. They should've got the wake up call when they got outscored 97-24 in their last 3 games. The team has laid down twice in the past 5 games. Once against Michigan and this 2nd half. Who's job is it to motivate, teach and adjust to what our opponents are doing? Is it Duke Dawson? Teez? AC81? Its completely on this staff. We keep seeing the same penalties in crucial spots, bad decision making on Offense, defense and ST, the missed tackles in big games. It's the COACHES. IT'S ONE THING IF it's every once is a while but, FSU, BAMA, LSU, UT, MICHIGAN, FAU, THATS ON LACK COACHING AND PREPARATION. We have guys cramping up in 90 degree heat all the time, yet UT doesn't have that problem? I was wrong about AA BUT I NEVER SAID WM WOULD BRING SC BACK. I LISTENED WHILE ALL YOU CRAZY frickS MADE EXCUSE AFTER EXCUSE FOR THAT HORRIBLE HIRE IN WM, AND NOW MAC IS GETTING THE SAME EXCUSES. frick THIS IM OUT. DONT COMPLAIN WHEN MAC GETS HIS arse BEAT IN EVERY BIG GAME AND THEN CANNED AND WERE LEFT WITH A shite ROSTER CUZ HIS frickING STAFF CANT RECRUIT FOR shite AND UF TURNS INTO MSU OR OM FOR ANOTHER 8 YEARS.
This post was edited on 9/25/16 at 3:58 am
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:00 am to
Here is my .03 worth this morning and I can intelligently type on the keyboard since the tequila has worn off

College football is a very emotional game and the thing I worried about was the home crowd..we punched them in the face in the first half ...but as in common in high school. college or pros...you come out of the locker room sluggish and dont have the edge. Our OL play in the second half was awful....just pitiful. Sharpe was awful and he is an upper classman...Dillard played the best of all them....anyway, we turned into 3 and out machine and field position got awful and it wasnt great in the first half either a few times. Then our defense doesnt get the same vibe..its 3 & out over and over again and it becomes mental more than physical.
Conservative play calling wasnt the problem...execution was and when they scored their first TD...the defense rocked us. It happens to every coach sooner or later. I did post earlier in the year that even if we lost to UT that we would have still have great chance to win the east.....I watched A&M last night and their defense is very much improved against the run and Arkie couldnt run well. A&M still throws too much for my taste...but they will beat UT at home...can UT beat Bama at home? Im not sure of that. Bama plays UK this weekend and then travels to Arkie...the best thing for us would be to see Arkie upset Bama and then Bama plays at UT with a bad attitude. So I definitely see 2 losses in UTs future.
What about us? We will beat every SEC team on our slate but the ? mark has to be Arkie. A&M slowed their run game somewhat and made them throw which what we will do...in spite of what we saw in the second half yesterday, dont discount our defense...remember the first half? Our defense ate them up. Vandy, LSU, USC, Missou & UGA are all very beatable. Arkie is the game I thought we would have to be careful of.

So heads up and smile at the hillbillies, cause they are fixing to frick up very soon. They could even lose to UGA at Athens since the dawgs are going to be in a bad mood, I know the UGA team lacks WRs and the defense has to get more playmakers...but stranger things have happened when you play on the road.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:19 am to
I think this is the first time I've agreed with you 100% this year

I'm telling you UF should go 3-0 in the next 3 weeks.

Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 10:28 am to
Box...you better agree with me ...j/k

Heres what I see...we will win every game up to the Arkie game and then we have USC after that as the last SEC game. It is the Arkie game that worries me. We are going to be 4-0 up to the Arkie gamne and hopefully our team has learned a lesson from yesterday. Lets NOT be like those fricking LSU fans who are the most miserable fan base on the earth.

Do not be pissed and post on the rant with these hillbillies.

I counted at least a dozen threads by hillbillies baiting us and crowing, I dont do that and I try to be gracious win or lose, but damn if I wont blast these frickers next year after we curbstomp them.

TJ...keep that anger in check....you will see that that we have a god chance to go to Hotlanta if we beat Arkie. I remember 1992 when we were taken behind the woodshed our first 2 SEC games against Moo State and UT and this was going to be the first ever SECG that year...well, funny thing happened to UT..they imploded and lost THREE SEC games and UGA was in the drivers seat...but we beat them on Halloween night and had our ticket to Hotlanta stamped. In 1992 were depleted...Spurriers second year and we didnt recruit well his first year (he inherited a very good OL & DL btw)...so we were forced to start 2 true frosh at OTs...Reggie Green and Jason Odom and they were taken to school early on and one reason we started out 0-2 in the SEC....but by middle of the year they became much better.

Right now we still have a youth oriented OL...except Sharpe and Dillard...Sharpe...like a lot of LOTs in our league have a hard time blocking elite pass rushers like Derek Barnett # 9 yesterday...needed a TE to help out. But consider we only gave up ONE SACK? Thats pretty damn good in the SEC...Appleby was pressured a lot and thats why throwing deep was difficult and UT adjusted at the half and took our punching bag out of the game # 8 who was torched by us in the first half. They also committed safety help for deep protection and were able to stop us with just basic defense and their LBs played much better.

Appleby acquitted himself quite well and mostly protected the ball except for 1 pick and thats only because they knew he had to throw late in the game. He showed poise and leadership of the offense....and can run. Its great to have insurance like that rather than see Treon trot out.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:24 am to
quote:

Appleby acquitted himself quite well and mostly protected the ball except for 1 pick and thats only because they knew he had to throw late in the game. He showed poise and leadership of the offense....and can run. Its great to have insurance like that rather than see Treon trot out.


Anyone blaming Appleby for yesterday's meltdown needs to have their head examined.

I bashed Appleby last week because I did not feel he was good enough for an SEC QB.

He played damn well and deserves props. He wasn't phased by the atmosphere at all.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:37 am to
quote:

TJGator1215


My God, man, comparing Mac and Muschamp is so stupidly outside of reality that I don't know where to begin. Our team gave up, period. What Mac did to prepare them, I have no idea but this is common.

They're fricking kids, dude. I was telling my mom today that LDR is 21, he got to start drinking alcohol last year.

You go up by 18 points when this is SOP for every other game and you come out sluggish.

Secondly, Tennessee just hit what they needed to hit and got so many lucky bounces, it reminds me of when Alabama lost to Ole Miss.

Our CB tripped, their receiver had the ball bounce against his face, then his hands, then his face, then the tips of his fingers, then his face, and then finally into his hands as he tip-toed periously close to the line and happened to run it in.

This shite happens and the good news?

WE CAN LOSE TO TENNESSEE. This is the ONLY SEC team we could lose to this year. Why?

They play the hardest teams from the West, and I fricking hate backdooring into the SEC CG.

But man up, it sucks, but we're not losing to fricking Georgia Southern.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:41 am to
quote:

Tennessee just hit what they needed to hit and got so many lucky bounces


Gonna disagree here.

The Jennings catch wasn't really lucky. Tabor just is a cocky SOB who got burned by a good throw and route.

Tennessee physically destroyed UF in the 2nd half yesterday. That isn't luck.

Now, I do believe the coaches ridiculously conservative playcalling played a huge part in that, but Tennessee destroyed our OL and DL in the 2nd half yesterday.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:50 am to
quote:

The Jennings catch wasn't really lucky. Tabor just is a cocky SOB who got burned by a good throw and route.


It pinballed off of his head how many times before landing on the tips of his fingers as he had no situational awareness on where the sideline was? Tabor fell down, he managed to haul in an average throw. There was SOME luck involved.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 4:36 pm to
Heres more explanation to why the second half was so bad and then Mo took over and the fat hillbillies in the stands were cumming all over themselves: its simple, field position sucked for us...lok at average starting field position and theirs...big difference even with Johnny Townsend booming kicks (usually outkicking coverage...I saw frustration on the faces of return men looking at their teammates and telling them to fricking BLOCK. Then Perine went retard and tried to bring out kick when he field kickoff 4 yds inside the end zone and Calloway going tard but the defense saved his bacon). You cant throw deep from your 8 yd line or 12 yd line or two yd line too much....it was costly.

We had at least 9 flags to their 3 WTF gives? Refs are human and when a team chirps like ours do...guess what? They are quicker to throw laundry. Its gotta stop.
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6421 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 7:30 pm to
^ Wow, blaming the refs for our boneheaded guys going offsides and false starting? The refs did a great job in that game. I'm not sure what you wanted them to call or what mistakes you think they made? It was our players that weren't prepared. UT had guys open the entire game, they just kept dropping WTF passes in that first half. That game would have been a blowout if they would have caught the ball. Our defense was trash, couldn't get stops, especially on 3rd down. Y'all are complaining about the offense going 3 and out but an elite defense would cause the opposing team to go 3 and out too. We got punked.

Our offense is average at best. Anytime you have a poor offense, you can lose to anyone. The next few games are not even close to being sure wins. We'll be lucky to go 0.500. Anybody expecting more is delusional.

Just like muschamp, I'm convinced that McElwain is not the answer. Just look at the last few games against teams with a pulse. Not even competitive. He had a month to prepare for the bowl game and we got our asses kicked. Good coaches don't do that. We're losing the recruiting battle to all our rivals. We can't even keep guys in our own back yard. This is a bad hire. The sooner we see this the sooner we can move on. This is Florida. We should never expect getting blown out every game against teams in the top 25. It should never be acceptable to lose to FSU on the field and off in recruiting. When are we going to get tired of getting our teeth kicked in.

Go get Herman... or even Petrino. I don't care. Hell, I'd take Les Miles over this clown. Miles may lose some WTH games due to poor clock management but rarely do you see him getting his shite pushed in.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 8:07 pm to
1 loss to a team we've owned for 11 straight years and yall lose your minds.

I'm staying off here for a while.

You tards are acting just as bad as the LSU idiots on TigerRant.
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:12 pm to
It's ridiculous box. We have a very good coach that has only taken us to Atlanta in his one full season on the job, and people are losing their minds over a loss on the road against a quality opponent with a backup quarterback.

People are absolutely ridiculous. I am all in for Mac, right now. This team needs to respond and I think Mac gets it enough to know that he has to push them harder to respond.

This team can win their next three games. They can win the Georgia, South Carolina, and Presbyterian game. There are 2 huge tests left. FSU and Arkansas. If Florida is 10-1 and playing good offense when we're rolling into Tally Thanksgiving weekend, all will be forgiven around here. Because we're either headed back to Atlanta, or Tennessee is
11-1/12-0 and our only loss is to a team that's in line for a playoff game on the road with our backup QB.
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