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So, you're Coach Mac and you've got a decision to make (you know the one)...
Posted on 9/13/15 at 2:49 am
Posted on 9/13/15 at 2:49 am
who's number 1 going into SEC play and who's number 2. Indefinitely.
I gotta go with Harris on this one. His legs is what keeps us in games when the OL can't. Grier just welcomed that blitz in the first series with open arms pretty much, imo. We can't have that.
I gotta go with Harris on this one. His legs is what keeps us in games when the OL can't. Grier just welcomed that blitz in the first series with open arms pretty much, imo. We can't have that.
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Posted on 9/13/15 at 4:07 am to finchmeister08
I still go with Grier on this one.
He had more YPA, had a scramble that was a huge gain and sure he almost turned it over twice, but in the end he also had to play more snaps and scored twice.
Harris didn't score once, and he didn't actually "lead" the team down the field. The runners did that for him.
He's better at short and intermediate throws and I just don't think Harris can beat too many people passing consistently.
Grier will probably start against Kentucky depending on what happens at practice. I've just never been that impressed with Harris, and I remain that way.
He had more YPA, had a scramble that was a huge gain and sure he almost turned it over twice, but in the end he also had to play more snaps and scored twice.
Harris didn't score once, and he didn't actually "lead" the team down the field. The runners did that for him.
He's better at short and intermediate throws and I just don't think Harris can beat too many people passing consistently.
Grier will probably start against Kentucky depending on what happens at practice. I've just never been that impressed with Harris, and I remain that way.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 5:51 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I disagree Straws....but I think we need two qbs, not one at this time. Harris deserves to be starter if we are going to be a 1 qb team. Grier is going to be special....but we are going see fierce pass rushes real soon. Teams are stacking the line and our OL cannot run block well enough...and whats happening is that we will be in 2nd and 3rd and longs a lot. Harris is the better scrambler.
Kronkite deserves to be starting also imho. We need every foot of real estate we can get. A junior rb who costs his team 15 yds on kickoff isnt a true leader and it cost us a TD because we gave up good position...HC Mac knew it and Im glad he lit up Taylor like he did. Im sure HC was relieved to get out of game with W. ECU came to play.
The head scratcher to me is the fricking flags...how many? 14-15? What happened to our discipline ?
Kronkite deserves to be starting also imho. We need every foot of real estate we can get. A junior rb who costs his team 15 yds on kickoff isnt a true leader and it cost us a TD because we gave up good position...HC Mac knew it and Im glad he lit up Taylor like he did. Im sure HC was relieved to get out of game with W. ECU came to play.
The head scratcher to me is the fricking flags...how many? 14-15? What happened to our discipline ?
Posted on 9/13/15 at 6:59 am to reel_gator8
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I disagree Straws....but I think we need two qbs, not one at this time. Harris deserves to be starter if we are going to be a 1 qb team. Grier is going to be special....but we are going see fierce pass rushes real soon. Teams are stacking the line and our OL cannot run block well enough...and whats happening is that we will be in 2nd and 3rd and longs a lot. Harris is the better scrambler.
I love what Grier is capable of, but I love Treon's running ability. As long as either guy continues to improve at least.
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Kronkite deserves to be starting also imho.
Dude is a beast...he's been very good.
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We need every foot of real estate we can get. A junior rb who costs his team 15 yds on kickoff isnt a true leader and it cost us a TD because we gave up good position...HC Mac knew it and Im glad he lit up Taylor like he did. Im sure HC was relieved to get out of game with W. ECU came to play.
The KT throad slash was inexcusable.
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The head scratcher to me is the fricking flags...how many? 14-15? What happened to our discipline ?
Yep...that needs to be cleaned up ASAP. Gotta clean that shite up
Posted on 9/13/15 at 8:24 am to finchmeister08
If it was me Grier gets the first half of UK. If he absolutely sucks then it's Harris and I'm not looking back.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 9:16 am to olemc999
Treon has to be the leader here. With our o-line Grier simply doesn't have the legs to stay alive. Additionally, grier's deep passes are ugly ugly things. Treon stretches the field better with one of the prettiest deep balls I've seen from a gator since Grossman.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 10:27 am to finchmeister08
fricking Will Grier seems like the easy choice right now. He is more versatile in the offense because of his ability throwing the ball. He isn't quite as quick as Harris running, but makes decisions faster.
Now... his weakness may be that he doesn't make particularly good decisions sometimes, but he just has more range than Harris.
The biggest mistake I've seen the new coaches make at this point is putting Harris in after that fumble deep in ECU territory. Put Grier in, take control of the fricking game, and then try treon in the 2nd half if you want.
This fricking silly game with the QBs has got to fricking stop now. it almost cost UF the game last night and will cost them the game next week if they keep doing it.
Now... his weakness may be that he doesn't make particularly good decisions sometimes, but he just has more range than Harris.
The biggest mistake I've seen the new coaches make at this point is putting Harris in after that fumble deep in ECU territory. Put Grier in, take control of the fricking game, and then try treon in the 2nd half if you want.
This fricking silly game with the QBs has got to fricking stop now. it almost cost UF the game last night and will cost them the game next week if they keep doing it.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 10:42 am to slayerxing
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Did you and I watch the same damn game? Giving qbs a chance to take control didnt almost cost us the game...its our OL plain and simple.
The strategy was simple for ECU...stack the line and make first down runs limited leaving second and third and long. Then you come after qb and play pass defense. Our OL is trying...but we have youth still learning. Fred Johnson played almost the entire game at OT...he just got off the yellow school bus...we also have had tr frosh Tyler Jordan in for a series or two at guard. At least the snaps were better last night.
UK is going to be a tough game and I think we will probably lose this one...they havent beat us since Eisenhower was president and will look to avenge last year. The good news is that we will improve as year moves on...probably beating UT at home.
Grier has strong arm and trigger release...but Harris improved over the summer and he has more zip when needed. Harris can lead this team...he starts vs UK and if we do lose then Grier will probably start vs UT. I really think we need both and nothing wrong with going with hot hand.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 11:58 am to reel_gator8
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Did you and I watch the same damn game? Giving qbs a chance to take control didnt almost cost us the game...
Slayer is absolutely right on this one.
Grier was doing very well for most of the game until that fumble. If you have a QB who is actually functioning, and he just led the team all the way down the field and threaded the needle in the red zone -- keep him in until he sucks it up or use him on the next drive.
You never throw a cold quarterback into short yardage situations -- for one, there's simply too much pressure to make something happen. He wants to get the starting position, and he wants to make something happen and that can spell disaster.
I'm with Slayer 100% on this one, and you could see that our offense sort of deflated after Harris came in for that series, even our kicker seemed to change.
It messes up the rhythm, which is pivotal in the red zone. It's not Harris' fault, of course, because in my opinion they just made it very difficult on him for little to no reason.
Grier's the guy, though, hands down, no questions. He can scramble just as good as anyone else but is more accurate with short to mid-range passes. Period. The deep ball I give to Harris at this point, but that's all Harris has over Grier.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 2:09 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I think the OL has actually done OK in pass protection. The run blocking is what needs help and Ivey should help with that.
UF is in desperate need of leadership and continuity on offense. Until they pick a QB they wont have it, and we will continue to see periods of poor play on offense while the QBs adjust to the yoyoing.
And for those of us at the game, the change from on-fire to disjointed was immediate when they brought harris in and the qbs struggled to adjust after that although they both did oiece together a solid drive each in the 2nd half.
UF is in desperate need of leadership and continuity on offense. Until they pick a QB they wont have it, and we will continue to see periods of poor play on offense while the QBs adjust to the yoyoing.
And for those of us at the game, the change from on-fire to disjointed was immediate when they brought harris in and the qbs struggled to adjust after that although they both did oiece together a solid drive each in the 2nd half.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 2:16 pm to slayerxing
fwiw, it looks like Ivey will make his debut next week. Wonder how his presence will affect the run blocking.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 2:34 pm to finchmeister08
Who led the team to the most points? Grier.
Who has the highest upside? Grier.
That being said, I would start Grier and give him the entire 1st half against UK, if he is playing good, that's it, he's the man. If not, put Harris in to start the second half and do the same.
Who has the highest upside? Grier.
That being said, I would start Grier and give him the entire 1st half against UK, if he is playing good, that's it, he's the man. If not, put Harris in to start the second half and do the same.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 3:04 pm to slayerxing
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This fricking silly game with the QBs has got to fricking stop now. it almost cost UF the game last night
Hardin almost cost us that game last night. You cant expect to win games in the SEC and consistently miss 30-40 yard field goals. He left 6 points on the board. We need Sturgis back in the worst way.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 3:22 pm to finchmeister08
I think Grier will be and should be the starter. He is clearly the better passer IMO and the OL can't seem to run block. We need To play Taylor more on runs in conference play or play the other RBs on more passing plays. Seems like Taylor comes in for most of the passing plays and defenses will catch on to that.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 5:27 pm to tjv305
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I think Grier will be and should be the starter. He is clearly the better passer IMO and the OL can't seem to run block.
Clearly better? I don't think so. Harris' ability to stretch the field with the deep ball actually allowed the offense to move when we desperately needed it. He also kept drives alive with his feet in a way that Grier simply can't. Not to mention Grier made two mind-bogglingly bad throws that practically hit that Scarfone guy right in the hands late in the game which would 100% have lead to us losing had he hung on.
I won't say that Harris is the savior of Florida football, but I honestly think he played better yesterday. In fact, outside of Grier learning to throw WR screens to Robinson (who then did all the work after the catch) Grier looked pretty meh.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 6:38 pm to AesopsGators
What deep ball are you seeing being thrown by Harris that is allowing us to stretch the field his longest pass of the day was 28 yards Griers was 34 yards. Did you not see Griers long run in week 1 or his 19 yard run in week 2 to keep the drive alive. Harris to me stares down recievers and it appears the playbook is limited with him in the game because they didn't exactly open the field up when he was in.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 6:48 pm to tjv305
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and the OL can't seem to run block
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What part are some of you missing??? Its not that the OL doesnt know how to run block....teams are stacking the line and daring us to throw with two young QBs...which is what we are gonna face all year.
This is why there isnt running room when we hand off most of the time. Traffic jam. Teams want us to throw on second and third and longs. Its the scheme of most defenses today. When we have stout experienced OL...then we can still run and gain yds to prevent the obvious passing situations.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 7:04 pm to reel_gator8
Even when UF is running against lines that aren't stacked, they aren't generating a lot of push. It is what it is. For whatever reason, this unit has been better pass blocking so far.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 7:29 pm to olemc999
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Hardin almost cost us that game last night. You cant expect to win games in the SEC and consistently miss 30-40 yard field goals. He left 6 points on the board. We need Sturgis back in the worst way.
Hardin kills us. We win the FSU game last year with a good kicker. I'll give him credit for the kick against UT but surely we can do better than a career 50% kicker.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 7:34 pm to AesopsGators
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Clearly better? I don't think so. Harris' ability to stretch the field with the deep ball actually allowed the offense to move when we desperately needed it. He also kept drives alive with his feet in a way that Grier simply can't. Not to mention Grier made two mind-bogglingly bad throws that practically hit that Scarfone guy right in the hands late in the game which would 100% have lead to us losing had he hung on.
I won't say that Harris is the savior of Florida football, but I honestly think he played better yesterday. In fact, outside of Grier learning to throw WR screens to Robinson (who then did all the work after the catch) Grier looked pretty meh.
I've noticed that Harris has always gotten the nod of approval to some degree but there's simply one thing he can't do -- the bullet pass.
Grier's pass in the red zone was on the money, perfect pass to Drob. Harris simply doesn't have it, not now and maybe never. He's not a pure passer. Grier had better numbers, he had more scores, he ran well, he passed well. Harris can run the ball, but so can Grier.
It's obvious at this point who should be the starter. Just to list.
2 scores to 0.
Higher YPA (passing).
2 drives down the field vs. 1 (Harris had the help of the running game at this point.)
It's easy.
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