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Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:30 am
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:30 am
I think it's pretty obvious at this point that Treon is just too inconsistent and can't consistently make routine throws from the pocket.
We have the playmakers to be a legit offense, but the OL and QB play are holding us back.
Not a good combo for playing FSU and Bama in a few weeks.
If Grier doesn't win his appeal, we are staring the same exact situation in the face that we had this year, with the obvious difference being that the OL will be a lot better, and we will have more playmakers on the offense.
QBs next year would come down to:
Treon
Grady
Guy
Del Rio
Trask
Franks*
Another commit
I don't think we can just start Treon next year and expect to have the same success we had with Grier.
I think the wildcard in that entire group is Del Rio. Supposedly if he was eligible to compete for the job this year, he might've beat out Grier and Treon.
I'm thankful for the contributions that Treon has given us in the later stages of the Muschamp era and so far this year, but it's just painfully clear he's not cut out to play QB consistently in this offense.
We have the playmakers to be a legit offense, but the OL and QB play are holding us back.
Not a good combo for playing FSU and Bama in a few weeks.
If Grier doesn't win his appeal, we are staring the same exact situation in the face that we had this year, with the obvious difference being that the OL will be a lot better, and we will have more playmakers on the offense.
QBs next year would come down to:
Treon
Grady
Guy
Del Rio
Trask
Franks*
Another commit
I don't think we can just start Treon next year and expect to have the same success we had with Grier.
I think the wildcard in that entire group is Del Rio. Supposedly if he was eligible to compete for the job this year, he might've beat out Grier and Treon.
I'm thankful for the contributions that Treon has given us in the later stages of the Muschamp era and so far this year, but it's just painfully clear he's not cut out to play QB consistently in this offense.
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Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:36 am to boXerrumble
I agree with everything you said about Treon.
But I went back and watched the game again, only because I missed the first half.
The O line was atrocious yesterday.
But I went back and watched the game again, only because I missed the first half.
The O line was atrocious yesterday.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:41 am to Edearl Watson
No doubt.
I also wondered why McElwain/Nuss went away from the quick passing game in the 1st Q and also didn't target the TEs much.
When they went back to that in the 4th Q the offense started to move again.
That was probably the 2nd worst called game offensively, after the Missouri game where they just flat out refused to run the ball despite gashing their DL for 6-7 yard runs.
I also wondered why McElwain/Nuss went away from the quick passing game in the 1st Q and also didn't target the TEs much.
When they went back to that in the 4th Q the offense started to move again.
That was probably the 2nd worst called game offensively, after the Missouri game where they just flat out refused to run the ball despite gashing their DL for 6-7 yard runs.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 10:20 am to boXerrumble
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and also didn't target the TEs much.
Yeah I didn't get this. Goolsby had a nice catch in run in the first quarter but can't really remember any other plays to the TEs.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 10:47 am to gatorsimz
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gatorsimz
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h I didn't get this. Goolsby had a nice catch in run in the first quarter but can't really remember any other plays to the TEs.
Thats cause there werent any....look at LSU game...McGee may have been thrown to (1 pass very inaccurate) twice in the whole game. Grier would have tried to hit him half a dozen times at least. Treon has decided not to throw to McGee for some reason?
I know Vandy was in his face all day...but Im not buying it as the reason Treon kept taking off when he got the snap...I watched some of his footwork and thats all you need to see. He regressed completely from anything he has been taught.
Hell....lets try and see if Graddy or Guy can help us. Its possible that Treon is thinking no one can take job from him...lets give him competition and he will play better. Guy has been on campus for two or three years now and should be quite capable of understanding the offense. I posted before the Vandy game about giving the backup QBs some snaps to acclimate them in case the unthinkable happened...but now I want competition.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 10:49 am to reel_gator8
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Treon has decided not to throw to McGee for some reason?
Can't be it.
Targeted him many times against LSU and UGA.
The entire offense, coaching included, was just bad yesterday.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:00 am to boXerrumble
I have no idea why we are not running zone reads.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:15 am to olemc999
I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that after Treon, we have guys with zero experience.
Now, I would say that if we could create a zone read package for Grady, that would be very beneficiary to the offense.
Now, I would say that if we could create a zone read package for Grady, that would be very beneficiary to the offense.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:33 am to boXerrumble
But they are running QB draws with him and that can still cause an injury.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 12:30 pm to olemc999
I had a bad angle for the game. Upper west corner. Seemed as tho treon was off, yes their D was putting pressure on. Our run game was pretty much stuffed too.
This is nothing new. Our O has been a question all year. We will go as far as it carries us. If the D has to stay on the field to long we will get beat. Just the law of averages.
This is nothing new. Our O has been a question all year. We will go as far as it carries us. If the D has to stay on the field to long we will get beat. Just the law of averages.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 1:31 pm to boXerrumble
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boXerrumble
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Can't be it.
Targeted him many times against LSU and UGA.
Better look again. McGee may have ended up with 1-2 catches in LSU game. UGA he may have caught 1 pass...thats why yesterday got my attention.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:06 pm to reel_gator8
Is it fair for me to say I really miss Will Grier?
Posted on 11/8/15 at 3:20 pm to OliverQueen81
quote:I think we all do.
Is it fair for me to say I really miss Will Grier?
247 did a review of yesterday's game and found that Treon actually improved but that the OL was so bad he couldn't do much of anything. This is secondhand info so take it with a grain of salt since I'm not going to watch that trainwreck again
Posted on 11/8/15 at 3:50 pm to cornhat
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This is secondhand info so take it with a grain of salt since I'm not going to watch that trainwreck again
Oh frick that. Take that damn tape and burn it
Posted on 11/8/15 at 6:44 pm to boXerrumble
Weren't we down 2 O-linemen yesterday due to injury? With only 6 guys I'm not surprised they weren't playing great - it was warm wasn't it?
Now, why aren't we targeting the TEs as much? I think the answer is that Treon doesn't have the skills yet to hit people before they are open. Go back and watch the Kentucky and Ole Miss games. Where Grier was truly developing as a QB was his ability to throw passes before the receiver was actually open or made their cut.
Now, why aren't we targeting the TEs as much? I think the answer is that Treon doesn't have the skills yet to hit people before they are open. Go back and watch the Kentucky and Ole Miss games. Where Grier was truly developing as a QB was his ability to throw passes before the receiver was actually open or made their cut.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 6:49 pm to AesopsGators
Agreed
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:09 pm to AesopsGators
That was misinformation...actually our LOT David Sharpe did not start...but he did enter and play the rest of the game late in 2nd qt.
None of us are privy to the things going on in the locker room and we are probably better off not knowing. The staff is going to be tight lipped about some things. I know I will be glad when Fred Johnson has the light come on and he will be a BEAST. Freaking huge dude. He left the game and Halter came in...but we were still inept.
None of us are privy to the things going on in the locker room and we are probably better off not knowing. The staff is going to be tight lipped about some things. I know I will be glad when Fred Johnson has the light come on and he will be a BEAST. Freaking huge dude. He left the game and Halter came in...but we were still inept.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:25 pm to reel_gator8
Seriously, Reel, Get off this thing about Treon and Jake. Treon Threw two TDs to Jake against LSU, and hit him 5 times against LSU and 3 times against UGA. Let. iT. Go.
Vanderbilt had a good defensive game plan. They mixed up coverages well, eventually took away the TE's with good coverage from their very athletic LB group, and then took away the middle of the field where UF destroyed them in the 1st quarter.
The biggest issue in this game was the arrogance of the UF coaches. The players came ready to play, as well as they could anyways. The coaches came in thinking they could frick around and win just because it was vandy. It was clear from the early play calling, and all the fricking around with the back up kicker early in the game. Then -more arrogance, putting in basically the entire 2nd string defense before the half because they felt Vandy had no chance of scoring. Our coaches had NO respect for the opponent. How about running the same stretch play over and over when Vandy was attacking so aggressively on the edges of the gator OL? UF had no chance. Same with the roll outs. It took UF 2 quarters to figure to change things up and then still ran the same damn stretch play before the field goal on 2nd down for no gain.
UF had a chance to knock out Vandy early, they missed it, and then the team lost some confidence after Vandy made some adjustments. That and the game plan didn't adjust until the 4th quarter, when UF started attacking Vandy finally on the outside where they destroyed them at the end of the game with quick passes, which negated Vandys pass rush, and finally took advantage of the cushion Vandy was playing with on the outside.
It was this coaching staffs worst game - but you know what? They made the right calls at the end, the team and the QB persevered, and UF lives to fight another day.
Vanderbilt had a good defensive game plan. They mixed up coverages well, eventually took away the TE's with good coverage from their very athletic LB group, and then took away the middle of the field where UF destroyed them in the 1st quarter.
The biggest issue in this game was the arrogance of the UF coaches. The players came ready to play, as well as they could anyways. The coaches came in thinking they could frick around and win just because it was vandy. It was clear from the early play calling, and all the fricking around with the back up kicker early in the game. Then -more arrogance, putting in basically the entire 2nd string defense before the half because they felt Vandy had no chance of scoring. Our coaches had NO respect for the opponent. How about running the same stretch play over and over when Vandy was attacking so aggressively on the edges of the gator OL? UF had no chance. Same with the roll outs. It took UF 2 quarters to figure to change things up and then still ran the same damn stretch play before the field goal on 2nd down for no gain.
UF had a chance to knock out Vandy early, they missed it, and then the team lost some confidence after Vandy made some adjustments. That and the game plan didn't adjust until the 4th quarter, when UF started attacking Vandy finally on the outside where they destroyed them at the end of the game with quick passes, which negated Vandys pass rush, and finally took advantage of the cushion Vandy was playing with on the outside.
It was this coaching staffs worst game - but you know what? They made the right calls at the end, the team and the QB persevered, and UF lives to fight another day.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:28 pm to slayerxing
Slayer...you are correct about McGee...he caught 5 passes in LSU game and 3 in UGA game but none yesterday...so my apologies to the board. I can only blame alcohol
As far as coaching staff...at times McElwain appears ho hum and indifferent and would rather talk about the Mission Mountain Band or whatever....but he didnt let Vandy be taken lightly. But.....coaches and players are no different than fans and it would be easy to only put 95% effort instead of 110%. Spurrier had those games also. Im sure he yelled over and over again about games where were over whelming favs. Players didnt listen.
Well...Vandy gifted us a 12 yd punt or we would have 2 losses perhaps...just dont think we could have marched too far down the field to kick FG.
As far as coaching staff...at times McElwain appears ho hum and indifferent and would rather talk about the Mission Mountain Band or whatever....but he didnt let Vandy be taken lightly. But.....coaches and players are no different than fans and it would be easy to only put 95% effort instead of 110%. Spurrier had those games also. Im sure he yelled over and over again about games where were over whelming favs. Players didnt listen.
Well...Vandy gifted us a 12 yd punt or we would have 2 losses perhaps...just dont think we could have marched too far down the field to kick FG.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:46 am to reel_gator8
Im not angry that the coaches were arrogant. Spurrier was arrogant CONSTANTLY and it did cost UF at times.
I think the coaches had the players ready- but the early decisions in the vandy game reminded me of the early season games where the staff was just toying with things to see what would work.
This team isn't good enough for that.I think Mac learned a good lesson. Hopefully we won't see that again this year except for maybe against FAU
I think the coaches had the players ready- but the early decisions in the vandy game reminded me of the early season games where the staff was just toying with things to see what would work.
This team isn't good enough for that.I think Mac learned a good lesson. Hopefully we won't see that again this year except for maybe against FAU
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