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Posted on 9/22/17 at 7:59 pm to finchmeister08
Posted on 9/22/17 at 7:59 pm to finchmeister08
I don't get the U.K. Hype . I am not sure if people think they are that good or that we are that bad . We should win by double digits. Hopefully the coaches will find ways to get Toney the ball . Some deep passes to Cleveland would be good too. Give him some jump balls if the offense struggles.
I am glade we play Vandy after they have to play a tough physical game against Bama. I would worry more about them then UK.
I am glade we play Vandy after they have to play a tough physical game against Bama. I would worry more about them then UK.
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:57 pm to tjv305
TJ....get your head dress and tomahawk and go paint ketchup & mustard on your azz.
I did NOT dispute your stats at all...I merely posted WHY the hell you don't post positive stats? There are some pal...but I know you just happen to overlook them.
Your girls school is going down and it wont stop. Trust me on this one. 8-4 with a ceiling of 9-3 with Mac burning your teepee down.....now kindly get lost in heavy traffic.
I did NOT dispute your stats at all...I merely posted WHY the hell you don't post positive stats? There are some pal...but I know you just happen to overlook them.
Your girls school is going down and it wont stop. Trust me on this one. 8-4 with a ceiling of 9-3 with Mac burning your teepee down.....now kindly get lost in heavy traffic.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:07 pm to reel_gator8
quote:
I merely posted WHY the hell you don't post positive stats?
Cause there's very few if any?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:33 pm to finchmeister08
W - L column seems pretty positive. A lot more positive than his predecesor.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 1:10 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Through first 29 games:
WM: 20-9
Mac: 20-9
The only difference between WM and Mac is what side of the ball they coach on. I don't think Mac will be decimated by injuries like WM was which led to a lot of losses but they're even when it comes to running a program.
Both are shite coaches.
WM: 20-9
Mac: 20-9
The only difference between WM and Mac is what side of the ball they coach on. I don't think Mac will be decimated by injuries like WM was which led to a lot of losses but they're even when it comes to running a program.
Both are shite coaches.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 1:15 am
Posted on 9/23/17 at 1:16 am to TJGator1215
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Through first 29 games:
WM: 20-9
Mac: 20-9
Both are shite coaches.
Will Muschamp had players on his team with championship rings. 2008 - 2011 is three years. He had outstanding talent to work with.
McElwain had 6 offensive linemen on scholarship, no quarterback, no kicker, one receiver and one running back who was worth anything.
It's not even remotely close.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 1:19 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Let me be more clear:
Muschamp won on talent.
McElwain won with a lapse in talent.
Muschamp won on talent.
McElwain won with a lapse in talent.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 1:20 am to reel_gator8
Since I'm overlooking the positive stats why don't you post them? I hate FSU but UF isn't beating FSU with Mac at the reigns. Hell he can even get his offense to score a TD on them. I hope Fsu loses every game but reality tells me we're in for another arse beating unless Mac fires nuss. That won't happen because then we'll see the final curtain pulled back on this fraud of an offensive guru. Nuss is buying Mac more time before he's shown the door.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 1:23 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
WM had 1 QB, no WRs, TEs and pint sized RB. Mac and WM took over almost identical rosters. Plus he was changing the offensive philosophy
Posted on 9/23/17 at 1:50 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
quote:
Let me be more clear:
Muschamp won on talent.
McElwain won with a lapse in talent.
And you're full of shite.
They both won on defense.
Nfl draft picks after 1st 2 years:
WM 2012 draft
1-3 Rds: 0
4-7 Rds: 2
D: Howard in the 4th
O: Rainey in the 5th
2013 draft:
1-3 Rds: 4. 2 in 1st. 1 in 2 and 1 in 3rd
4-7 Rds: 4. 1 in the 4th. 2 in the 5th and 1 in the 6th.
O: 2
D: 5
St: 1
Mac: 2016 draft
1-3 Rds:3
4-7 Rds:4
2 in the 1st. 1 in the 3rd.
2 in the 4th. 1 in the 6th and 7th.
O: 2
D: 5
2017 draft:
1-3 Rds: 5
4-7 Rds: 3
1 1st rd. 3 in the 2nd and 1 3rd.
1 in the 4th, 6th and 7th
O: 1
D: 7
Total picks:
WM: 10
O:3
D:5
ST:1
1-3: 4
4-7: 6
Mac: 15
1-3:8
4-7:7
O:3
D:12
It also helped Mac that the SEC as a whole is at it's worst in over a decade.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 11:21 am
Posted on 9/23/17 at 2:24 am to TJGator1215
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WM had 1 QB, no WRs, TEs and pint sized RB.
You've lost your mind, TJ.
WM had Driskel, Brisset and Brantley -- McElwain had Treon Harris then nothing.
WM had Jordan Reed -- Jordan Reed is a pro-bowl TE, TJ. McElwain had Jake McGee, after that, nothin' at all.
WM had Debose, Thompson, Dunbar, Hammond Jr. -- none of them were true Freshmen. Outside of Robinson and Fulwood there was no one for McElwain. Tyrie Cleveland looks better than any player that Muschamp left behind.
WM had Demps and Rainey, guys who were speedy backs and he decided to go with dive plays. Two Senior Backs, with Gillislee as a Junior. After Kelvin Taylor, know who McElwain had? No one. Not a single RB who wasn't a true Freshman.
The OLine? Holy shite, let's talk about that.
Chaz Green? NFL. Xavier Nixon? NFL. Jon Halapio? NFL Practice Squad. Matt Patchan? NFL. Jonotthan Harrison? NFL. Trip Thurman? NFL. Out of all those guys: One was a Redshirt Freshman. That's six offensive linemen, TJ. Wanna know what's funny about that number? That's all the scholarship offensive linemen McElwain had.
Mason Halter? Transfer OL from FCS. Trip Thurman? NFL. Cam Dillard? Transfered because he got beat out by a Freshman. Antonio Riles? Defensive Lineman now. David Sharpe? NFL.
QBs: 3 - 1.
TE: 1 - 1.
RB: 3 - 1.
WR: 4 - 2.
OL: 6 - 2.
It's not even remotely close. McElwain did way more with way less.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 2:30 am
Posted on 9/23/17 at 2:30 am to TJGator1215
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It also helped Mac that the SEC as a whole is at it's worst in over a decade.
Were FCS teams also the toughest they've ever been since the inception of our program, and then they slacked up a bit when McElwain came in?
TJ - 0
Straws - Too many to count.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 2:34 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Mac had Grier who was better than any QB either HC had. Brissett and JD were true FR and JB4 was mentally broken when WM took over. WM had reed on offense. Demps and Rainey. Hammond, Dunbar and Denise did nothing to help WM. He had 1 guy on offense. Mac had:
Grier
KT21
DRob
Powell
McGee
He just like WM signed up for this. He accepted the challenge. There's no excuse.
Grier
KT21
DRob
Powell
McGee
He just like WM signed up for this. He accepted the challenge. There's no excuse.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 2:37 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Yes UF lost to GSU and it shouldn't have happened. Let's not forget Mac had to go to ot with 3-9 FAU and needed a last second fg to beat 4-8 VU. I've already pointed out they're both shite coaches. I'm not defending WM as a HC. Just that the situation he took over was worse than Mac's talent wise. The next HC will have to fix the talent gap Mac leaves.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 2:39 am
Posted on 9/23/17 at 2:55 am to TJGator1215
Grier played four games, after that what was there? WM At least had quarterbacks, guys who could actually throw the ball -- not fricking Treon Harris.
The most successful receiver for McElwain's first year was Callaway. Let that sink in, TJ.
Kelvin Taylor wouldn't even have started the next year.
TE is the only push on offense, everything else is stacked way in Muschamp's favor. WAY in his favor.
Why don't you talk about the offensive line?
The most successful receiver for McElwain's first year was Callaway. Let that sink in, TJ.
Kelvin Taylor wouldn't even have started the next year.
TE is the only push on offense, everything else is stacked way in Muschamp's favor. WAY in his favor.
Why don't you talk about the offensive line?
Posted on 9/23/17 at 2:57 am to TJGator1215
quote:
Yes UF lost to GSU and it shouldn't have happened. Let's not forget Mac had to go to ot with 3-9 FAU and needed a last second fg to beat 4-8 VU. I've already pointed out they're both shite coaches. I'm not defending WM as a HC. Just that the situation he took over was worse than Mac's talent wise. The next HC will have to fix the talent gap Mac leaves.
TJ, you're crazy, brother. WM took a team that had won a National Championship just 3 years earlier and turned it into a team that lost to an FCS team.
McElwain took that same team and produced the same results WM had with a championship level team while he had one that didn't even have a winning record over two seasons.
Last two years of Florida before Muschamp came in: 21 - 6
Last two years of Florida before McElwain came in: 11 - 14
Say with a straight face that they ''came into the same situation''.
Please, please say it with a straight face.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 3:14 am
Posted on 9/23/17 at 5:34 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Meyer admitted he broke the program. Did you forget we started a TE at QB in 2010? We had no real talent on the OL, WR or TE. Mac won the east because it was shite. He played less ranked teams, more cupcakes and easier schedules than WM. The facts speak for themselves. Mac is just as bad as a HC than WM. He had 15 nfl draft picks on his roster his 1st 2 years and has been blown out by almost every team with a pulse. WM won 4 games against the top 25 during 2012. Mac has 4 wins vs the top 25 total. He had a losing record because he lost 10+ starters on both sides of the ball and lost backups at multiple spots. He had walk ons getting tons of minutes at RB, LB, etc. The rosters were the same. Injuries are more the cause of that 2013 season although WM shitty coaching didn't help. Over the same time period they have the same record. Tell me how the offensive guru can't produce an offense better than WM?
Posted on 9/23/17 at 8:14 am to TJGator1215
You're changing the argument and not answering the question. You made the completely asinine statement that Mac came into the same situation as Muschamp. Muschamp took over a program that was 21-6 in their last two years. Mac took over 11-14 in the last two years. Can you really say with a straight face that they came into the same situation? Also, I agree that Will Grier was a good QB. Mac WON with a good QB. Grier was 6-0 at Florida including a win over #3 Ole Miss and his career at UF was cut short because of his personal actions that Grier has to be held 100% accountable for. Muschamp did nothing with NFL QBs Jacoby Brissett and Jeff Driskel. You're a fricking clown.
You're not worth arguing with. You've never given Mac a chance. Have you noticed over the last two years and two games, that every big play has been made by Mac's offensive players? Don't make sweeping statements about the offense this season because the season has barely begun. You're shorting Mac one win over a Top 25 team, as he actually has 5 such wins.
We're coming off one of the best finishes in school history against one of our biggest rivals and you're still bitching not even a week later. Enjoy. The. Games. Jesus Christ, TJ. Realize that you saw a game for the ages and enjoy that. Give your schitck a rest. It's old. Mac is 12-1 at home (15-1 if he doesn't lose his three cupcake games), 13-1 against the SEC East. His recruiting is getting better and as the depth is built up, we will start to play better and better against the big time programs nationally. It doesn't magically happen. I'm not totally sold, but I'm willing to be reasonable and give him a chance. Ridiculous fans such as yourself make me hope, even more than I already do, that Mac can make all of the fans like you shut the frick up. Look at the programs that have won national championships. Alabama and Clemson had to be built into what they are. It doesn't magically happen. Stop being impatient. Stop acting like Mac owes you personally anything. He was hired to do a job. I happen to think he can do the job and he's putting everything he has into doing it.
You're not worth arguing with. You've never given Mac a chance. Have you noticed over the last two years and two games, that every big play has been made by Mac's offensive players? Don't make sweeping statements about the offense this season because the season has barely begun. You're shorting Mac one win over a Top 25 team, as he actually has 5 such wins.
We're coming off one of the best finishes in school history against one of our biggest rivals and you're still bitching not even a week later. Enjoy. The. Games. Jesus Christ, TJ. Realize that you saw a game for the ages and enjoy that. Give your schitck a rest. It's old. Mac is 12-1 at home (15-1 if he doesn't lose his three cupcake games), 13-1 against the SEC East. His recruiting is getting better and as the depth is built up, we will start to play better and better against the big time programs nationally. It doesn't magically happen. I'm not totally sold, but I'm willing to be reasonable and give him a chance. Ridiculous fans such as yourself make me hope, even more than I already do, that Mac can make all of the fans like you shut the frick up. Look at the programs that have won national championships. Alabama and Clemson had to be built into what they are. It doesn't magically happen. Stop being impatient. Stop acting like Mac owes you personally anything. He was hired to do a job. I happen to think he can do the job and he's putting everything he has into doing it.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 8:16 am
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:37 am to atlgator
One of the best finishes? You mean one of the biggest squandering of chances by UT? We left 14 points on the field. They left 23. UT choked when UF did It's best to give them the game. Facts aren't an argument. You saying Mac is a good coach is a statement and posed as an argument. The facts say he's a shite coach who survived off WMs players as WM did Meyers. The records when they took over were irrelevant. Look at the roster. They were the same. Mac can't sell success. I'm a clown? I'm not trying to sell a coach who is an offensive specialist who has:
3 straight years(2017 included) of 100+ plus offenses even behind the Worst UF HC in recent memory.
Failed to score a TD against our biggest rival
Has a losing record vs the top 25.
Has beaten the AAC West equivalent in the Eastern division and crowed like a bird about it like the SECCG wasn't played
Is The worst recruiter in UF modern ranking history
Bragged about how good he was at coaching he could win with his dog but it took him 6 QBs to find a decent one on his own.
The least # of rushing yards in over a decade and multiple times with less than 20 yards in a game.
Scored 20 points or less than any other recent UF coach and was the last team in the entire nation to score an offensive TD.
If anyone is a clown it's you.
3 straight years(2017 included) of 100+ plus offenses even behind the Worst UF HC in recent memory.
Failed to score a TD against our biggest rival
Has a losing record vs the top 25.
Has beaten the AAC West equivalent in the Eastern division and crowed like a bird about it like the SECCG wasn't played
Is The worst recruiter in UF modern ranking history
Bragged about how good he was at coaching he could win with his dog but it took him 6 QBs to find a decent one on his own.
The least # of rushing yards in over a decade and multiple times with less than 20 yards in a game.
Scored 20 points or less than any other recent UF coach and was the last team in the entire nation to score an offensive TD.
If anyone is a clown it's you.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 11:40 am
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:46 pm to TJGator1215
I say we table this discussion for a few weeks. We may have better perspective 4 games from now.
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