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Practice and scrimmage info.

Posted on 8/14/15 at 7:42 pm
Posted by olemc999
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 7:42 pm
A relative of mine has been going to the open scrimmages, somehow sneaked into the 2 a days and went today's scrimmage. So I was going through some text messages and some emails he sent me and figured I would compile them for my Gator Brethren here.

So a lot of what I am about to type out here is from the aspect of this years squad compared to last years Gator squad at the same exact time (the first scrimmage).

So without further ado here is some 2015 Florida Gator Football Tidbits... 2 Bits... 4 Bits..... 6 Bits.... A Dollar!

Quarterback situation

Grier is gonna be the guy. Its not even a competition at this point. Grier is the only one that has been consistent every single day. Treon is up and down a little too much. He said to be honest the transfer from Vanderbilt Josh Grady had looked more competent moving the offense. Put it this way, Treon has struggled moving the ones against the 2's and Grady has done a better job at moving the 3's against the 2's. There are 2 things that stick out in the Grier vs Harris battle. Grier learns from his mistakes and doesn't repeat them while Treon does the opposite. Treon cant get over the mistake real fast like a QB should but he will just go back and do the same thing over again. The other thing is that Treon struggles mightily with throwing the out route which McElwain does a lot of drills on.

Running backs

We are good here. KT has gotten smarter which is making him run a lil bit more aggressive a lil more north and south and is making him look like he is a lil more faster. He said the biggest difference for KT this year is he sticks the foot and goes with it instead of all the dancing. Jordan Scarlett and Jordan Cronkite have been impressive. Scarlett is already the most complete back we have but don't sleep on Cronkite. Cronkite is the one guy in camp who consistently gets a bit better every time he goes out. Powell takes some snaps out of the backfield every know and then but its mainly to throw some curveballs at the defense. Powell will be the "X" factor in his opinion.

Wide Receivers

D-Rob is the only one who can consistently cause problems for our secondary on every play, every day and in every way. Powell has the explosiveness and moves to be a homerun threat at any time, his versatility is amazing. Chris Thompson looks to be the fastest wideout we have, they run alot of go routes with him to clear space underneath for the other guys. CJ Worton is injured but before that he showed good aggressiveness to go over the middle and grab the ball, the kid is not afraid to get hit and probably has the best hands of any of the wideouts and yes he is including D-Rob in there too. Fulwood will have a good play then bad play then disappear then a good play and rinse and repeat. He said he thinks its almost a mental thing with Fulwood at this point. Its like he lets bad momentum build on him but when he does something good he has that look of "that was a mistake nothing good ever happens to me kind of vibe". To his credit Fulwood can throw some blocks in the screen and run game tho. Antonio Callaway has been extremely solid. Gives great effort on every play, says he will only get better with more reps. Will probably be a starter by the South Carolina game. Other then that not really much else other then Alvin Bailey will make a spectacular grab every now and then.

Tight Ends

We are stacked at tightend. Jake McGee seems like he can find the open spot of the field every time. Goolsby is a great route runner, he makes cuts good and can be used as a hybrid "Jimmy Graham" type of TE. C'Yontai Lewis is an impressive athletic specimen and he may have the best hands of the 3 and is the best blocker. The kid just makes plays happen. Here is something interesting he told me about a 2 minute drill that Mac and Nuss ran. They put the 3 tightends on the field with Drob at the "X" and KT at RB and Grier at QB. They were yelling and calling it the "3 Magic Formation". Well anyways he said when they ran this drill they marched down the field like they frickin owned it and this was against the first string defense. He said that was the most in charge, complete, competent, fluid offensive drive (game or practice) since the Tebow years. The whole time they were in this formation Coach Mac had a big shite eating grin. They have also done some stuff were the tightends line up as fullbacks in the Triple I formation and when the defense gives them the "Run D" they motion out to recievers. Some interesting gamesmanship going on there. Alot of 2 TE formations with crossing patterns. Expect big things from the tightends.

Offensive Line

Not to get anyones hopes or to give false hopes but here is some positivity. First of all at this time last year the Oline was struggling heavily in camp and that group ended up giving the 2nd fewest number of sacks (albeit by offensive design but still pretty impressive) in the SEC and were pretty good run blockers. Long story short there is a reason Mike Summers was the only coach retained from the Muschamp regime. I say all that to get to this. At this point the line looks better then the line at this time last year. The freshmen are massive, they look like they have been in a college weight program for 2 years already. There struggles will all be mental/inexperience. Martez Ivey is everything that was advertised. Mason Halter the transfer from Fordham can play any position on the line. This is huge for this year! The line at this time is night and day from what we saw at the spring game. Then again things are different when the live bullets start flying but these guys are going up against of the best defense in the SEC every day. So I am putting on my Reel approved orange and blue glasses on and saying that these guys will get in their groove by the second half of the 4th game of the year. Having said all that our Dline is still looking better then them on a regular basis but they hold serve pretty well considering how good our DLine is.

Offensive philosophy

Judging from all the snaps, this offense seems to be based off of 3 concepts.

Mismatches, motions, and take what the defense gives you. Another way of putting it is like this "conservatively agressive". Our offense looks like a more creative and ballsy version of Arkansas. A big thing he noticed about the offense is that they run a lot of one read routes. For example they run all go's, all corners, all outs, all slants and the throw will go to the player whos defender is in the weakest position. However there seems like there will always be a nice safety valve type check down. Crossing patterns and the screen game also seemed to be a big staple. Interesting note, more draws have been run than play action passes.

This post was edited on 8/14/15 at 7:49 pm
Posted by olemc999
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 7:42 pm to
Part 2

Now time for the defense.....

Defensive Line

The defensive line as a unit looks better as an overall unit so far then last years squad. Thats hard to believe after losing Fowler but hang with me. The line itself is deeper, communicating better and there is talent everywhere. Let me put it this way no matter what kind of mixture of personnel they put out there it just seems to work. They are meeting the running back at the line and getting in the backfield. This line will probably lead the league in sacks knowing what type of secondary they have behind them. CECE is the Dline version of Ivey, gives great effort every play. Watch out for Zuniga, he has got a mean streak in him that you love to see in a Dlineman, great motor. Just know that these guys got great chemistry.

Linebackers

Nothing special to report here. Just know as a group some days they are great,some days they are good, and some they are average. Making them a solid group in his opinion. Sometimes it looks as if they know they are sandwiched between a great dline and quite possibly the best secondary in college football this year. Then they just go and play and they shine at times. Davis hits like a damn sledge hammer. Anzalone has better instincts then what people give him credit for (maybe it just only works at practice for him) and Morrison seems to be moving real well but is still no contact and is a very good vocal leader.

Secondary

This will be the best secondary in college football this year no questions asked (knock on wood). He said if its 3 and 8 or more the other team might as well punt. VH3 is still pissing excellence every morning, Neal has looked awesome in practice, and has really developed a nose for the football. Maye seems as if he has worked on his man coverage skills and is still a beast in the box. Tabor is pretty much VH3 JR and Duke Dawson could play any position in a pinch but is the best at safety. All you need to know, is that there is nothing to worry about with this group except injuries (knock on wood).

Defensive philosophy

They have been running a lot of 5-2-4 and 4-2-5. Quite possibly to take advantage of having an elite secondary and a damned good Dline and to also hide the depth problem at linebacker. Collins loves to blitz. Randy Shannon is a very vocal coach.

Special teams

Hardin kicked 30 field goals today and only missed one. Townsend is good but a small step down from Christy. Didn't have anything to say about coverage units.

Said Powell has gotten the majority of kick returns with D-Rob getting a couple here and there and VH3 is handling punt returns.

That is all for today. If I get anything else worth sharing in the future I will post asap.

Go Gators!

Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 7:45 pm to
quote:

Grier is gonna be the guy.


I pretty much knew that the only way Treon was gonna start is if Grier was absolutely abysmal.

I really hope he can be a great quarterback.

And fast.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:24 pm to
The only thing I keep hearing as a negative is that the WR's can't catch and have had problems with drops.

THANKS FOR THE UPDATE THOUGH!
This post was edited on 8/14/15 at 8:25 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:32 pm to
quote:

The only thing I keep hearing as a negative is that the WR's can't catch and have had problems with drops.

THANKS FOR THE UPDATE THOUGH!


Throwing off your back foot while being sacked into quadruple/quintuple coverage.

vs.

Throwing a slow, perfect pass into an open receiver's hands.

We had tons of drops, but Treon never really looked that accurate, even when they caught the balls they looked like acrobats. About 5 - 10% of Jeff's misses were on drops, horrible drops, and 7 of his interceptions were from tipped balls or flat out bad route running.

Treon just lucked out and got a touchdown that, in all reality, should have been an interception.
Posted by slayerxing
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:42 pm to
I'm really confused about why you thought you needed to post that?
Posted by olemc999
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:43 pm to
The receivers need to just go ahead and put some damn glue on them hands.
Posted by boXerrumble
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:45 pm to
Driskel = good enough.
Treon = not good enough.

And its all the offense's fault for not believing in Driskel.

According to Straws anyway, and we've had this discussion enough that I'm not gonna start arguing over why I disagree with him.

But anyway. I think anywhere from 8-10 wins.
Posted by olemc999
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:49 pm to
Naw cuz, the Mac trucks takin us to the Natty. 15-0!
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:56 pm to
quote:

I'm really confused about why you thought you needed to post that?


I'm sorry, man, I thought you were doing what Box just did in saying that Harris wasn't that good of a QB (in spite of terrible WR play).

I'm not going to argue it either, Box, but the receivers were straight garbage for almost the entire year last year -- but watching Harris, he was pretty inaccurate.

Numbers wise, and simply ball placement.

Will just say: I think 8 - 10 wins is feasible if not probable at this point, pass the Gatorade.
Posted by boXerrumble
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 9:53 pm to
quote:

I'm not going to argue it either, Box, but the receivers were straight garbage for almost the entire year last year -- but watching Harris, he was pretty inaccurate.


I think we both can agree that UF WR's have been just bad since Harvin left
Posted by slayerxing
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:24 pm to
Cooper and Hernandez were just fine in 2009, and in 2012 Frankie Hammond, ommarius Hines, and Quinton Dunbar along with Jordan Reed were not bad in 2012.

Things got really bad in 2013, and have gotten worse since.

I think Mac said today the biggest issue is confidence. Which makes sense.

Posted by reel_gator8
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 9:41 am to
quote:

olemc999


Thanks for posting the info. Ive heard a lot of buzz similar to what you heard.

The one thing we have to be mindful of is that true frosh are true frosh....no matter how gifted physically they are. Its the mental aspect to the game and knowing plays. Most coaches insert true frosh with a limited amount of playcalls to keep them from imploding...and of course what usually happens (with good coaching)is the progression leads to more snaps by mid season.

In some cases you have to start true frosh whether you want to or not...we aren't at that stage yet for any position. Spurriers best coaching job imo was 1992 after we lost a LOT of talent from 1990 & 1991 teams....remember that his first recruiting class wasn't great. He ended starting TWO true frosh on the OL in 1992....Reggie Green and Jason Odom...we took our licks early on...getting our bells rung by Moo State and UT. This was the inaugural SECCG year and UT held a two game lead on us based on face to face. Well....funny thing happened on the way to Hotlanta for the hillbillies, they lost and then lost again and by God lose again! UGA seemed to be in position to win the east but on Halloween night we beat them and repped the east....cant tell you how important that was for us to be there first. Odom and Green developed and by years end we were a much better team. Kevin Carter although not a true frosh...played like a beast on the DL.

Anyway...back to 2015...hoping to see two receivers start to become playmakers to ease the coverage on DRob. They have to catch the damn ball. But lets also consider that our receivers are going up against the countrys best secondary and LSU can kiss my lily white grits.

If we can stay fairly healthy...look out..we will surprise folks. The defense can carry us a long way.
The games Im worried about? UK, USCe & Mizzou are three that will be tough. UK hasn't beaten us since Eisenhower was president...they will be hungry at home.

The qb situation needs to be ironed out soon to give more reps to whoever starts...maybe Grady...who knew? Actually our walk on qb Jacob Guy is pretty fair passer...just not as mobile I think. Can young Mr Harris catch footballs? If Grier wins job and Grady can be solid backup...Harris should redshirt and become wr imo. He is not NFL size and regardless of Russell...its difficult to play pro ball with his size. However, as we all know....guys want to be qbs and will transfer out a lot. He has three years to play and can also r/s or transfer.

I like the TE situation...that can be huge and provide safety valve when pocket breaks down or everyone is covered.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

I think we both can agree that UF WR's have been just bad since Harvin left


Drob is also decent, but he had some absolutely horrible drops and route running issues last year.

I also agree that confidence plays a huge role, and while Muschamp seemed to have a lot of it, no one on our team seemed to.
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
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Posted on 8/16/15 at 6:45 am to
Thanks for the info.
Posted by Gatorsarethebest
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 9:03 am to
Posted by reel_gator8
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 1:50 pm to
I think TE is going to be surprise position on offense, McGee is going to be extremely valuable. Cyontal Lewis is also coming on as r/s frosh along with Deandre Goolsby a true soph. Even when McGee leaves after this year we are building a strong foundation at TE.

TEs can really make it tough on LBs/S and it opens up other receivers. I am looking forward to watching the position to see how they do.

If we can recruit a few really good DL/LBs for 2016 it will go a long way to keeping us ranked and make the girls school go away. Our hole card in recruiting is the SEC and we need USCe to beat Clemson and we beat the girls school...both of us are home teams. UK could beat Louisville, ironically also at home. UGA can lose 88-0 to Ga Tech...lol. We need an SEC school to win the PF NC. It helps in recruiting with the SEC strong.
Posted by CJM
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 5:30 pm to
How am I just now seeing this. Thanks for the write up. So damn ready for the season to start!
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:01 pm to
quote:

I think TE is going to be surprise position on offense, McGee is going to be extremely valuable. Cyontal Lewis is also coming on as r/s frosh along with Deandre Goolsby a true soph. Even when McGee leaves after this year we are building a strong foundation at TE.

TEs can really make it tough on LBs/S and it opens up other receivers. I am looking forward to watching the position to see how they do.

If we can recruit a few really good DL/LBs for 2016 it will go a long way to keeping us ranked and make the girls school go away. Our hole card in recruiting is the SEC and we need USCe to beat Clemson and we beat the girls school...both of us are home teams. UK could beat Louisville, ironically also at home. UGA can lose 88-0 to Ga Tech...lol. We need an SEC school to win the PF NC. It helps in recruiting with the SEC strong.


What we really need to do is stretch the field, I don't think too many teams were terrified of our WR's last year. We've had the box loaded time and time again, and if we could just get some form of vertical threat to stop that from happening we might finally be able to do some real damage and get a cycle started wherein we can keep teams on their heels.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:26 pm to
Well if the TE gives us ANYTHING this year, the offense will have a lot more space.
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