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Offense vs. Missouri and going forward (Long Analysis Add your Thoughts Here)
Posted on 10/17/16 at 9:04 am
Posted on 10/17/16 at 9:04 am
I liked that we put up over 500 yards of offense. Although Missouri has proven to be pretty terrible defensively, I think it is a good sign that we can be that productive yards wise on offense. It makes the whole team better. It gives the offense more sustained drives (which obviously leads to points), and it rests the defense so they can be fresh, have time to make adjustments, etc.
The offense not being able to do what they did Saturday is the reason for the collapse against Tennessee. Our offense couldn't string together first downs. The defense was constantly back on the field. It was a barrage of ineptitude on offense and getting worn down on defense.
The game Saturday was huge for the offense. They looked competent, well-coached, and capable of moving the ball. I do not think that LDR is going to lead us to any championships, but I do think that he is good enough to win us some ball games. I think the day we have a quarterback who can really sling the ball around and have a grasp on this offense is that day we are National Title contenders under Mac. This scheme works and Mac is a great offensive mind. We just have to get a guy that can run it.
We manages to put up 26 points on offense (27 if we would've gotten the extra point) despite having a missed field goal, a fumble on the goal line, and a couple of interceptions near scoring territory. The final score of this game probably should've been 55-14 or something in that range. I was disappointed in the turnovers but its obvious that the offense runs much better under LDR than it did under Appleby. LDR has enough arm, but he doesn't have the cannon that it takes to hit those deep balls in stride consistently or to fire a ball into a tight window. Lucky for him, Mac's system tends to get receivers wide open so he doesn't have to be precisely accurate on every throw.
The false starts were annoying and ridiculous. In my mind, they're a result of the lack of attention to detail by the players more so than coaching. It shouldn't have to be said to not move before the ball is snapped. Thats just being dumb and its something I am sure will be ran out of them this week at practice.
Going forward, I hope to see the offense continue to be able to put together drives and put up points. The execution was much improved against Missouri, now if we can put points on the board and get rid of the turnovers, the offensive improvements will be glaring, but the defense will reap the benefits of more rest and more confidence that the offense can score points as well.
My early prediction for the Georgia game is that it is going to be similar to the last two years. They are bad on offense, but Eason is a talented kid so we'll have to be ready to play. I think we'll be able to contain them and our offense will be able to move the ball on them. I see us having some success on offense and winning the game 31-13.
The offense not being able to do what they did Saturday is the reason for the collapse against Tennessee. Our offense couldn't string together first downs. The defense was constantly back on the field. It was a barrage of ineptitude on offense and getting worn down on defense.
The game Saturday was huge for the offense. They looked competent, well-coached, and capable of moving the ball. I do not think that LDR is going to lead us to any championships, but I do think that he is good enough to win us some ball games. I think the day we have a quarterback who can really sling the ball around and have a grasp on this offense is that day we are National Title contenders under Mac. This scheme works and Mac is a great offensive mind. We just have to get a guy that can run it.
We manages to put up 26 points on offense (27 if we would've gotten the extra point) despite having a missed field goal, a fumble on the goal line, and a couple of interceptions near scoring territory. The final score of this game probably should've been 55-14 or something in that range. I was disappointed in the turnovers but its obvious that the offense runs much better under LDR than it did under Appleby. LDR has enough arm, but he doesn't have the cannon that it takes to hit those deep balls in stride consistently or to fire a ball into a tight window. Lucky for him, Mac's system tends to get receivers wide open so he doesn't have to be precisely accurate on every throw.
The false starts were annoying and ridiculous. In my mind, they're a result of the lack of attention to detail by the players more so than coaching. It shouldn't have to be said to not move before the ball is snapped. Thats just being dumb and its something I am sure will be ran out of them this week at practice.
Going forward, I hope to see the offense continue to be able to put together drives and put up points. The execution was much improved against Missouri, now if we can put points on the board and get rid of the turnovers, the offensive improvements will be glaring, but the defense will reap the benefits of more rest and more confidence that the offense can score points as well.
My early prediction for the Georgia game is that it is going to be similar to the last two years. They are bad on offense, but Eason is a talented kid so we'll have to be ready to play. I think we'll be able to contain them and our offense will be able to move the ball on them. I see us having some success on offense and winning the game 31-13.
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 9:26 am to atlgator
Del Rio looked rusty, I think that will improve. O Line is the issue, sometimes great, some plays horrible. Receivers were not creating a lot of space or didn't seem to be getting open.
We should beat UG unless we have a really bad day with turnovers.
Arky will be tough but same story.
USC should be a win.
SEC East might come down to that damn LSU game. Hopefully after losses to Bama, Ole Miss they will lose some intensity.
Back to back SEC East championships would be great for future momentum.
We should beat UG unless we have a really bad day with turnovers.
Arky will be tough but same story.
USC should be a win.
SEC East might come down to that damn LSU game. Hopefully after losses to Bama, Ole Miss they will lose some intensity.
Back to back SEC East championships would be great for future momentum.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 9:57 am to UFMatt
Cleveland as a deep threat will open things up for our offense. Put enough guys in the box, deep throws to Cleveland or Callaway.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:21 am to atlgator
I think the offense is close to turning the corner. OL is playing better, starting QB is back, running backs have been identified, the WR corp is looking stronger - time to put that to the test against the meat of the schedule.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:53 am to slayerxing
Del Rio was rusty and late on everything.
OL, too many mental mistakes- ran block alright
RB's- 22 and 25 need to handle the backfield
WR's- Hello Tyrie
Defense- Balled. Need Davis back and Ivie to get healthy for this stretch of games.
OL, too many mental mistakes- ran block alright
RB's- 22 and 25 need to handle the backfield
WR's- Hello Tyrie
Defense- Balled. Need Davis back and Ivie to get healthy for this stretch of games.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 2:38 pm to gatordmb89
LDR is a better option than Appleby, but let's not forget his checkdowns were pretty lackluster even before he got hurt.
And I'm not going to be too hard on him; we all know he isn't an upper echelon back. I imagine Mac is going with him like Greg McElroy back in the day, a guy without stellar athleticism but a cool head that can manage an offense. The realities are that we aren't as good as Alabama was in 2009 on the line, so there are times where LDR is going to look pretty average. But I have zero doubt that he is the best answer this year and was a smart get.
The other thing about LDR is that he is good enough for our offense to start growing again. No year is a throwaway, but we weren't going to the playoffs this year. However, we at least compete with LDR and have a chance to win, unlike we did with Treon Harris (who I don't want to bash too much - he played his arse off as best he could). I at least feel like we are getting to iron things out again. Hopefully LDR will hand the keys over to someone in a year or two that is a ninja. Or maybe the team will grow enough around him that he can play the McElroy roll and kick some major arse.
We aren't great, but I do think we're getting better. The only thing seriously driving me up the wall are the false starts. I've heard no reasonable explanation as to why, by the time you are on scholarship in college, holding still until the ball is snapped is so much to ask.
And I'm not going to be too hard on him; we all know he isn't an upper echelon back. I imagine Mac is going with him like Greg McElroy back in the day, a guy without stellar athleticism but a cool head that can manage an offense. The realities are that we aren't as good as Alabama was in 2009 on the line, so there are times where LDR is going to look pretty average. But I have zero doubt that he is the best answer this year and was a smart get.
The other thing about LDR is that he is good enough for our offense to start growing again. No year is a throwaway, but we weren't going to the playoffs this year. However, we at least compete with LDR and have a chance to win, unlike we did with Treon Harris (who I don't want to bash too much - he played his arse off as best he could). I at least feel like we are getting to iron things out again. Hopefully LDR will hand the keys over to someone in a year or two that is a ninja. Or maybe the team will grow enough around him that he can play the McElroy roll and kick some major arse.
We aren't great, but I do think we're getting better. The only thing seriously driving me up the wall are the false starts. I've heard no reasonable explanation as to why, by the time you are on scholarship in college, holding still until the ball is snapped is so much to ask.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 3:17 pm to LuciusSulla
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The only thing seriously driving me up the wall are the false starts. I've heard no reasonable explanation as to why, by the time you are on scholarship in college, holding still until the ball is snapped is so much to ask.
I watched Tampa Bay give up two 3rd and 1s to false starts (3rd and 6), it ain't a good look but it's something he's got to clean up.
In regard to other things:
I don't think the defense at Missouri is necessarily that bad, I think it's their offense. They can't stay on the field -- just look at us vs. Tennessee. First quarter we were destroying them, they couldn't move the ball.
But as soon as we couldn't, that's when the defense started to have problems. I think LDR is the guy to move the ball, but not to score that bomb touchdown.
He's good to get the ball moving, but he clearly just doesn't have the umf to chuck it and have our receivers go out and grab it. His interceptions were pretty bad, but it's good to have them now and adjust because Mizzou didn't stand a chance to win.
We looked better, and that's why this board is awful quiet.
Don't know why some people call themselves Gator fans, quite frankly.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 3:50 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Yep. Haven't seen any of TJ or that finch guy or any of the other fake "Gator" fans that we had to listen to for the last two weeks.
It's been nice. I expect us to come out and really be crisp against UGA.
It's been nice. I expect us to come out and really be crisp against UGA.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:57 pm to atlgator
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atlgator
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I liked that we put up over 500 yards of offense
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The game Saturday was huge for the offense. They looked competent, well-coached, and capable of moving the ball.
Sorry Atl but I disagree somewhat with your premise about the offense. We were dismal and the yardage is due to really TWO THINGS....defense and special teams. The special teams kept Mizzou with their back to their own goal posts most of the day and it wasnt til late 2nd qt that they managed to cross their own 33 yd line due to our defense. That defense wore THEIR defense down with so many 3 & outs....and it wasnt til late 2nd qt that Mizzou was able to make a single first down.
Just as an offense can make a defense look bad so can a defense make an offense look good with so many possessions. 500 yds of offense looks great and all but how many possessions did we have? The Mizzou defense worn out by early 4th qt. and then they started arm tackling.
The bright side of this is the defense was really stout...but the competition wasnt high caliber. Lock will be better next year and so will Eason, Schumur and McElwaine and Steve Johnson etc etc Its an arms race in the SEC. UT will have a new starter and I hope we hang 50 on them.
We simply cannot have our OL make so many miscues and put us behind the sticks where passing is obvious.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 5:12 pm to atlgator
I figured LDR would be rusty, im ok given the conditions that some of his passes were off the mark. BUT my problem with LDR is that you can tell on a few plays he just telegraphed his throws and put some passes into dbl coverage.
I watch the plays and I find myself saying man there are open wrs on every play. It just frustrates me that we cant find a QB that can hit them consistantly given our HC said his dog could win games running this offense. I see teams like Texas and TT starting young QBs who werent rated anywhere close to the QBs we have and they come in and make plays. Hell TTs starter went down 2 weeks ago and the backup came in and threw 3 Tds.
I do see things i like, the backfield is loaded, the Oline is coming along and it seems our young wrs are coming into their own. We just need more consistency under center
I watch the plays and I find myself saying man there are open wrs on every play. It just frustrates me that we cant find a QB that can hit them consistantly given our HC said his dog could win games running this offense. I see teams like Texas and TT starting young QBs who werent rated anywhere close to the QBs we have and they come in and make plays. Hell TTs starter went down 2 weeks ago and the backup came in and threw 3 Tds.
I do see things i like, the backfield is loaded, the Oline is coming along and it seems our young wrs are coming into their own. We just need more consistency under center
Posted on 10/17/16 at 7:32 pm to reel_gator8
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Sorry Atl but I disagree somewhat with your premise about the offense. We were dismal and the yardage is due to really TWO THINGS....defense and special teams.
No, that's total offense.
500 yards of total offense.
236 by Del Rio,
287 by the running backs with all four top rushers going for over 7 yards a rush. (Thompson got 6.5 a carry)
Our rushing game improved because Del Rio makes the defense guess at least a little (unlike Appleby).
Since Vanderbilt:
1. Doubled total yardage.
2. 7 more first downs.
3. 25% better at third down efficiency.
It's called progress, buttercup. It didn't look pretty, but the reality is, for once.
For fricking once.
Against a decent, or maybe even above average defense (their offense anchors the frick out of them).
We moved the ball consistently. We looked, at the very least, a competent offense.
That's all I care about. If we can continue this, get better recruits we'll be fine.
Miami and FSU are dropping, Flo'da is on the rise. We just need to show up at every game. If we can win out until LSU and Arkansas, we'll have recruits starting to follow us.
If we win those two games (which is at least possible), we'll see a giant shift in interest.
Mac basically turned shite to pork, and it hasn't been easy but we haven't seen an offense move the ball like that in 6 years.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 7:56 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Straw, as per usual we will agree to disagree. Just keep in mind that our offense scored 19 out of 40 points and the defense/special teams hung 21 on them...more than that though (and the special teams runback on the onsides was a gimme fluke play...but Johnny Townsend deserves a lot more credit than he gets.) The net punting looks bad because he dropped a couple of dimes either inside the 15 and once around the 10 yd line and Mizzou had no where to go.
Do I like our offense? Of course I do...but its a work in progress and has limitations. LDR will be challenged in the spring and not just by Trask either....Franks has been working out and getting muscle tone...with his 6'6 frame he can present problems for defenses. Am I going to annoint him heir to the throne? No....I was wrong about Mark Thompson...I really thought he would bust loose. He still could...but hasnt shown the burst and is thinking too much. Big leap from JUCO to SEC but he could turn out to be that power back yet....but so far...no.
And buttercup I dare add that Vandys defense is a lot better than Mizzous.....lets not do apples to oranges.
besides...Im a mango guy.
Do I like our offense? Of course I do...but its a work in progress and has limitations. LDR will be challenged in the spring and not just by Trask either....Franks has been working out and getting muscle tone...with his 6'6 frame he can present problems for defenses. Am I going to annoint him heir to the throne? No....I was wrong about Mark Thompson...I really thought he would bust loose. He still could...but hasnt shown the burst and is thinking too much. Big leap from JUCO to SEC but he could turn out to be that power back yet....but so far...no.
And buttercup I dare add that Vandys defense is a lot better than Mizzous.....lets not do apples to oranges.
besides...Im a mango guy.Posted on 10/17/16 at 8:15 pm to reel_gator8
Call it 20 points because we went for two when we probably didn't need to.
Then factor in the missed field goal, the fumble on the goal line, and LDR's pick near the red zone. Then you're looking at 33-37 points from the offense. We gotta keep getting better and finish those drives.
I don't think LDR is the long term answer but the improvement from Appleby to him is significant. I like the way we looked Saturday. There's certainly a lot of room to improve, but If we can keep on improving on offense we will be in good shape moving forward.
Then factor in the missed field goal, the fumble on the goal line, and LDR's pick near the red zone. Then you're looking at 33-37 points from the offense. We gotta keep getting better and finish those drives.
I don't think LDR is the long term answer but the improvement from Appleby to him is significant. I like the way we looked Saturday. There's certainly a lot of room to improve, but If we can keep on improving on offense we will be in good shape moving forward.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:34 pm to reel_gator8
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Just keep in mind that our offense scored 19 out of 40 points
Our offense got the job done, period. The difference is that we didn't need those points this time around. We would have won without it and that, to me, is important. That didn't happen in the past.
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LDR
Is a short-term solution, no one's disputing that. We're not disagreeing on anything other than the offense is quite obviously improving when our starting quarterback is in.
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And buttercup I dare add that Vandys defense is a lot better than Mizzous.....lets not do apples to oranges. besides...Im a mango guy.
Missouri's defense is legit, but their offense is worse than Vanderbilt's. Missouri has a good secondary, an above average line but when you're playing, I daresay, about 37 minutes.
We held onto the ball, we moved the ball, we scored.
It's more than any Muschamp offense could say.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 7:19 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
The team is clearly, and I mean, clearly better with LDR at QB.
There has been clear and consistent offensive improvement from last year.
UF is #9 in the country right now on third down conversions at over 50%.
There are still some thing to clean up - so perfect time for a full bye week.
There has been clear and consistent offensive improvement from last year.
UF is #9 in the country right now on third down conversions at over 50%.
There are still some thing to clean up - so perfect time for a full bye week.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 7:53 am to slayerxing
Honestly, the more I think about it, UF can beat UGA, Arkansas, and South Carolina.
Arkansas scares me because its on the road in a colder weather environment than UF is used to.
But their defense honestly is not that great.
I think UF will handle UGA and South Carolina.
If they can beat Arkansas, that means the SEC East will be determined on November 19th with a trip to Baton Rouge.
Who the frick thought that would have a chance of happening? A road trip that was never supposed to happen schedule wise determines if UF wins the East
Arkansas scares me because its on the road in a colder weather environment than UF is used to.
But their defense honestly is not that great.
I think UF will handle UGA and South Carolina.
If they can beat Arkansas, that means the SEC East will be determined on November 19th with a trip to Baton Rouge.
Who the frick thought that would have a chance of happening? A road trip that was never supposed to happen schedule wise determines if UF wins the East
Posted on 10/18/16 at 9:19 am to boXerrumble
Yeah, LSU is the last major threat IMO. Arkansas can certainly beat Florida, but it would be an upset IMO.
They have been blasted by the two best teams they played, and right now their best wins are against a 4-2 TCU team that barely beat Kansas, and a 3-3 Ole Miss team that people just say are good, but they haven't beaten anyone.
Arkansas' defense is giving up about 400 yards and 28 points per game. Their running game is OK, but not overpowering, and they have relied on the passing game to win big games.
That is a good match up for Florida's defense.
I have to admit, i will be a little disappointed if UF isn't 8-1 heading into the showdown at LSU.
They have been blasted by the two best teams they played, and right now their best wins are against a 4-2 TCU team that barely beat Kansas, and a 3-3 Ole Miss team that people just say are good, but they haven't beaten anyone.
Arkansas' defense is giving up about 400 yards and 28 points per game. Their running game is OK, but not overpowering, and they have relied on the passing game to win big games.
That is a good match up for Florida's defense.
I have to admit, i will be a little disappointed if UF isn't 8-1 heading into the showdown at LSU.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:05 am to slayerxing
8-1 UF at LSU WILL cause the Rant to crash
Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:48 am to boXerrumble
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8-1 UF at LSU WILL cause the Rant to crash
If we beat LSU in BR and THEN they have to play two straight years *at* Florida, this place will be silent.
And I will be unbearable.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 11:14 am to boXerrumble
Depends what LSU does in the meantime. The next 4 weeks they play 3 ranked teams. By the time UF gets there on November 19th, LSU could be 7-2 and leading the SEC west, or they could be a scrappy 6-3 team with quality wins over Ole Miss and Arkansas, or they could completely disintegrate and be 5-4 or 4-5. In the latter scenario, the rant will be pretty quiet.
If they are 7-2 or 6-3, it'll be fricking nuts.
I really hope they drop a bunch of games so that they lose their confidence by the time UF gets there.
If they are 7-2 or 6-3, it'll be fricking nuts.
I really hope they drop a bunch of games so that they lose their confidence by the time UF gets there.
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