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re: Mac to Oregon??
Posted on 11/30/16 at 11:13 am to slayerxing
Posted on 11/30/16 at 11:13 am to slayerxing
People calling for McElwain's head are nuts. However, he either needs to make changes to the staff to address major weaknesses or they need to adjust how they handle recruiting period.
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:17 pm to dbuchanon
Doubt it but I'll be happy if it happens.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:27 pm to gatordmb89
Nobody's calling to fire him. It's just that his offense is trash when he's an offensive minded coach. If he loses Collins as DC his tenure will be doomed.
McElwain's recruiting is poor while Muschamp's recruiting actually was decent. Muschamp actually left decent talent behind for McElwain to rebuild.
That's not to mention what dogshit the division he's winning is. Look at how he's done outside the division vs inside. Last year he went 6-0 vs the SEC East and 4-4 vs everybody else. He probably would have ended the season 3-5 vs everybody else if it weren't for one non-called pass interference vs FAU. Yes, FAU.
Yeah and he's lost to FSU by a combined 44 points the last 2 years.
McElwain's recruiting is poor while Muschamp's recruiting actually was decent. Muschamp actually left decent talent behind for McElwain to rebuild.
That's not to mention what dogshit the division he's winning is. Look at how he's done outside the division vs inside. Last year he went 6-0 vs the SEC East and 4-4 vs everybody else. He probably would have ended the season 3-5 vs everybody else if it weren't for one non-called pass interference vs FAU. Yes, FAU.
Yeah and he's lost to FSU by a combined 44 points the last 2 years.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:34 pm to gatordmb89
I agree that Mac needs to replace Nord and maaaaaybe Nuss. He's useless on the trail and his tight ends can't block or catch.
I read earlier that 89.9% of our offensive production has come from freshmen or sophomores, or transfers brought in by Mac. That's actually kind of an encouraging statistic as those guys will continue to get better and production should continue to improve from those guys. But that means we're getting only 10.1% of our offensive production from guys that are juniors and seniors.
That is fricking pitiful. Our most seasoned and experienced players give us almost no production. I'll hold off on firing Mac. You can say blaming Muschamp is an excuse, but it's real. 10% of our offensive production is coming from our juniors and seniors. 10. Percent.
I read earlier that 89.9% of our offensive production has come from freshmen or sophomores, or transfers brought in by Mac. That's actually kind of an encouraging statistic as those guys will continue to get better and production should continue to improve from those guys. But that means we're getting only 10.1% of our offensive production from guys that are juniors and seniors.
That is fricking pitiful. Our most seasoned and experienced players give us almost no production. I'll hold off on firing Mac. You can say blaming Muschamp is an excuse, but it's real. 10% of our offensive production is coming from our juniors and seniors. 10. Percent.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:38 pm to UFFan
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It's just that his offense is trash when he's an offensive minded coach
The offense isn't trash. We have open receivers running all over the field. And the run game works when you can throw the ball. Do you think it was a coincidence we started being able to run on LSU after we hit the 98 yard pass? The quarterback play has been so atrocious the last 7 years that whenever we have a quarterback who doesn't completely suck we're going to treat him like he is Jesus Christ himself.
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Muschamp's recruiting actually was decent. Muschamp actually left decent talent behind for McElwain to rebuild.
On defense it was elite. See my statistic above to refute what you said about talent on offense. Muschamp literally left nothing behind for Mac to work with. Absolutely nothing.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:50 pm to atlgator
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Muschamp literally left nothing behind for Mac to work with. Absolutely nothing.
This, but its hard to watch that we cant put a QB on the field who can hit open wr's.
How many plays a game do you see guys just running open? I stopped counting.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:53 pm to dbuchanon
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How many plays a game do you see guys just running open? I stopped counting.
It happens so often that it's almost painful.
That's why I don't necessarily hate Nuss and I definitely think it's ridiculous to call for Mac to be fired.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:56 pm to atlgator
I think mainly its the sputtering offense and the recruiting that has ppl doubting him. That and we all hate losing to FSU the way we have the last 2 years. 
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:02 pm to atlgator
I do question a few calls but hey doesnt everyone on every team?
I hated watching our boys push the ball down the throats of LSU then we get close and get cute for a big loss. Do what got you there. Not a damn toss.
I didnt mind going for it vs FSU on the first drive, the play was there. RB missed the blitzing db and the qb rushed the throw that wouldve been to a wide open wr in the EZ.
Plays are there, the execution isnt... yet
I hated watching our boys push the ball down the throats of LSU then we get close and get cute for a big loss. Do what got you there. Not a damn toss.
I didnt mind going for it vs FSU on the first drive, the play was there. RB missed the blitzing db and the qb rushed the throw that wouldve been to a wide open wr in the EZ.
Plays are there, the execution isnt... yet
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:15 pm to atlgator
We've been saying this for a while now. Eventually he needs to develop a decent QB. Hasn't been able to do that so far. He will live or die on his ability to do that with the youngsters on the team now unless he finds a sure fire transfer.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:37 pm to slayerxing
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Eventually he needs to develop a decent QB.
kinda hard to do that if he keeps getting graduate transfers who are basically set in their ways. that's why i think it's important for him to play franks or trask. can't hurt anything. if their feelings get hurt because they can't cut it, cut 'em loose.
they need to earn their lumps early so they know what to expect later in their career. the number of snaps and consistency is dire in this position. you can't bring someone off the street and expect them to be joe montana out there. and then leave after the year and expect the next guy to play just like him. it's just stupid.
eta: we gained nothing by having appleby out there this year. absolutely nothing.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 5:26 pm to UFFan
I'm all for canning him this year. His offense has gotten worse and his recruiting is going to cripple us where we're awful on both sides of the ball.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 5:51 pm to atlgator
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Muschamp literally left nothing behind for Mac to work with. Absolutely nothing.
I hate WM with a passion but:
He left an elite defense and these players:
Adam Lane
Jeff Driskel
Will Grier
David Sharpe
Cam Dillard
David Sharpe
Kelvin Taylor
Brandon Powell
Cyontai Lewis
DeAndre Goolsby
Kavariss Harkless
Andrew Mike
Ahmad Fulwood
CJ worton
Antonio Riles
Jake McGee
Trip Thurman
Yes the OL was thin and WR recruiting was a bust but we had players. It was Mac's decision to keep Mike Summers. Because WM lost 4 OL players from Medical RS before they played a year that hurt depth.
Octavius Jackson
Rod Johnson
Drew Sarvary
Nolan Kelleher
For as awful as WM offenses were, I never expected Mac would be this bad even though I never liked the hire. His offense is worse than WM! That's bad. His awful recruiting especially on defense makes it worse. Mac has no clue how to manage a team. His decisions with going after grad transfer QBs, not signing a DT in 2015, and 2016, Leaving LDR in despite his terrible play, the 4 RB rotation, Not adapting to Treon at all even if he sucked, Going with AA instead of a freshman, etc.
Will Muschamp
First two seasons: 18-8
Average offense: #104
Average defense: #7
Jim McElwain
First two seasons: 18-7 (two more games to go)
Average offense: #113
Average defense: #6
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 6:47 pm to atlgator
Having open receivers running up and down the field doesn't do any good if the QB can't complete a pass to them.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 6:48 pm to dbuchanon
I doubt this will happen. This reminds me all too much of the Jimbo Fisher to LSU rumors, except they seem even more unrealstic.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:08 pm to UFFan
OMG its time to wade back in here and settle everyone the frick down...holy shitski.
First of all I will tell you that it is NOT true that WRs are running free all over the place...I watch and I know an open receiver when I see one.
Sure the offense has been sporadic at best...but its not just one thing. Football is a team sport 11 players need to function as a whole...the coaches can teach and show them all day long...but 1 misstep by anyone on offense can cause an open play to not be taken advantage of. It isnt just the QB..its the OL or its the RB not picking up a block or a WR running the wrong route, which makes a QB look bad.
At this time next year if we dont show some improvement on offense then I will be alarmed unless there are good reasons for it. I firmly believe there will be marked improvement. And the crazy notion of inserting a true frosh is just that....crazy. We redshirted Grier and Spurrier also redshirted Danny...that turned out ok.
Mac going to Oregon is also nuts...he hinted at his presser that he thought the rumor was the result of a rival trying to hurt us in recruiting....so dont repeat this crap. First of all his buyout is huge to offset what we helped pay Colorado State.
Now...I will share my feelings with you....we have the emotional advantage right now heading into Atlanta and go ahead and laugh, but remember LSU. Our players are hearing what everyone is saying...we dont stand a chance and we won a crappy division. Great! They may just be pizzed off enough to pull off an upset....or at least make it very close. They are really questioning their manhood and thats dangerous folks...just saying. Dont laugh. Im serious.
Now....whats in YOUR wallet? What say yee all if we beat Bama???? I will blast any fricker that bashes UF ...no not him...the damn school
Y'all have my permission to bash him though...j/k j/k
First of all I will tell you that it is NOT true that WRs are running free all over the place...I watch and I know an open receiver when I see one.
Sure the offense has been sporadic at best...but its not just one thing. Football is a team sport 11 players need to function as a whole...the coaches can teach and show them all day long...but 1 misstep by anyone on offense can cause an open play to not be taken advantage of. It isnt just the QB..its the OL or its the RB not picking up a block or a WR running the wrong route, which makes a QB look bad.
At this time next year if we dont show some improvement on offense then I will be alarmed unless there are good reasons for it. I firmly believe there will be marked improvement. And the crazy notion of inserting a true frosh is just that....crazy. We redshirted Grier and Spurrier also redshirted Danny...that turned out ok.
Mac going to Oregon is also nuts...he hinted at his presser that he thought the rumor was the result of a rival trying to hurt us in recruiting....so dont repeat this crap. First of all his buyout is huge to offset what we helped pay Colorado State.
Now...I will share my feelings with you....we have the emotional advantage right now heading into Atlanta and go ahead and laugh, but remember LSU. Our players are hearing what everyone is saying...we dont stand a chance and we won a crappy division. Great! They may just be pizzed off enough to pull off an upset....or at least make it very close. They are really questioning their manhood and thats dangerous folks...just saying. Dont laugh. Im serious.
Now....whats in YOUR wallet? What say yee all if we beat Bama???? I will blast any fricker that bashes UF ...no not him...the damn school
Y'all have my permission to bash him though...j/k j/kPosted on 11/30/16 at 8:08 pm to UFFan
OMG its time to wade back in here and settle everyone the frick down...holy shitski.
First of all I will tell you that it is NOT true that WRs are running free all over the place...I watch and I know an open receiver when I see one.
Sure the offense has been sporadic at best...but its not just one thing. Football is a team sport 11 players need to function as a whole...the coaches can teach and show them all day long...but 1 misstep by anyone on offense can cause an open play to not be taken advantage of. It isnt just the QB..its the OL or its the RB not picking up a block or a WR running the wrong route, which makes a QB look bad.
At this time next year if we dont show some improvement on offense then I will be alarmed unless there are good reasons for it. I firmly believe there will be marked improvement. And the crazy notion of inserting a true frosh is just that....crazy. We redshirted Grier and Spurrier also redshirted Danny...that turned out ok.
Mac going to Oregon is also nuts...he hinted at his presser that he thought the rumor was the result of a rival trying to hurt us in recruiting....so dont repeat this crap. First of all his buyout is huge to offset what we helped pay Colorado State.
Now...I will share my feelings with you....we have the emotional advantage right now heading into Atlanta and go ahead and laugh, but remember LSU. Our players are hearing what everyone is saying...we dont stand a chance and we won a crappy division. Great! They may just be pizzed off enough to pull off an upset....or at least make it very close. They are really questioning their manhood and thats dangerous folks...just saying. Dont laugh. Im serious.
Now....whats in YOUR wallet? What say yee all if we beat Bama???? I will blast any fricker that bashes UF ...no not him...the damn school Y'all have my permission to bash him though...j/k j/k
First of all I will tell you that it is NOT true that WRs are running free all over the place...I watch and I know an open receiver when I see one.
Sure the offense has been sporadic at best...but its not just one thing. Football is a team sport 11 players need to function as a whole...the coaches can teach and show them all day long...but 1 misstep by anyone on offense can cause an open play to not be taken advantage of. It isnt just the QB..its the OL or its the RB not picking up a block or a WR running the wrong route, which makes a QB look bad.
At this time next year if we dont show some improvement on offense then I will be alarmed unless there are good reasons for it. I firmly believe there will be marked improvement. And the crazy notion of inserting a true frosh is just that....crazy. We redshirted Grier and Spurrier also redshirted Danny...that turned out ok.
Mac going to Oregon is also nuts...he hinted at his presser that he thought the rumor was the result of a rival trying to hurt us in recruiting....so dont repeat this crap. First of all his buyout is huge to offset what we helped pay Colorado State.
Now...I will share my feelings with you....we have the emotional advantage right now heading into Atlanta and go ahead and laugh, but remember LSU. Our players are hearing what everyone is saying...we dont stand a chance and we won a crappy division. Great! They may just be pizzed off enough to pull off an upset....or at least make it very close. They are really questioning their manhood and thats dangerous folks...just saying. Dont laugh. Im serious.
Now....whats in YOUR wallet? What say yee all if we beat Bama???? I will blast any fricker that bashes UF ...no not him...the damn school
Y'all have my permission to bash him though...j/k j/k
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:42 pm to TJGator1215
Houston Nutt accomplished more than Petrino did at Arky. Seriously - look it up. He at least won the division twice, unless you think losing to tOSU in the Sugar Bowl is tops going to the SECCG.
Kelly hates recruiting, and Dabo is a total a-hole, IMO, but at least I understand why they come up.
Petrino? I don't get that one. The guy has a serious record of sleaze that so many people seem all too happy to overlook despite really not accomplishing much more than Butch Jones has. Seriously, look them up. One CUSA and one Big East championship vs. 2 MAC and 2 Big East Championships. Aside from FSU, he lost to the only other two teams he played with a pulse, plus it isn't Like Louisville was a dumpster fire when he showed up. They had just gone 12-1 and won a Sugar Bowl.
Kelly hates recruiting, and Dabo is a total a-hole, IMO, but at least I understand why they come up.
Petrino? I don't get that one. The guy has a serious record of sleaze that so many people seem all too happy to overlook despite really not accomplishing much more than Butch Jones has. Seriously, look them up. One CUSA and one Big East championship vs. 2 MAC and 2 Big East Championships. Aside from FSU, he lost to the only other two teams he played with a pulse, plus it isn't Like Louisville was a dumpster fire when he showed up. They had just gone 12-1 and won a Sugar Bowl.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:48 pm to atlgator
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Because the quarterback can't get them the fricking ball. It's embarrassing and it's pitiful.
I guess these comments are OK when you say them, but not when others say them, right?
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You're too blinded by your criticism of Mac that you don't see the roster improvements and the skill players running wide open all over the field. Give Mac a chance to have his own quarterback to see what the offense can become.
I have said that some position groups are better. The burning question is why isn't the offense better when position groups seem to have improved?
What makes you think I don't see players open on many plays? You can see that on many teams around the country. The good ones will actually get the ball to those players.
No, I'm not going to give Mac a chance for everything to be perfect. Good coaches make the team better. Period. History demonstrates this. If you can put together a solid argument to disprove that, or at least put it into serious questioning, then I am more than happy to change my mind.
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And for you to try to spin the positive people on this board as the "miserable people on this board" is a joke. I'm just a fan man. And so are you. Be a fan, root for your team. Stop bitching and moaning so much. You all sound miserable when you complain at every opportunity and beat the dead horse. Try to enjoy Florida in the SECCG this weekend and enjoy rooting for the Gators. Not everyone is lucky enough to call themselves Gators. So embrace it. It'll make Saturdays a whole lot more fun for you, I promise.
People make reasonable statements about the ineptitude of the offense, and people make statements about the future championship potential based on the quality of the offense and quality of play. None of these statement are out of line with what the history of CFB has taught us. Statements are made without saying Mac is a crappy person or whatever. That seems pretty level headed. It may in fact turn out to be wrong - Mac may end up producing a dynasty at UF. But the comments are level headed and not driven by emotion. Your comments and judgments however, are full of emotion and character assaults.
So, please, tell me who is miserable here - people who recognize one of the worst offenses in football or people that malign others?
I'll tell you again: game you don't play, outcome you don't control, opinions of others. Get a grip man.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 9:02 pm to TJGator1215
TJ, I'll repeat the players you listed that have had productive years at UF this season
David Sharpe
Cam Dillard
Brandon Powell
Cyontai Lewis
Deandre Goolsby
That's it. That's absolutely pitiful. You can hate Mac all you fricking want, that is a bare cupboard. We had nobody before Mac got here. Nobody. And no hope.
I hate that Mac has no clue how to manage a team. Can you imagine? He made it to Atlanta twice not knowing how to manage a team, I bet if he could ever figure it out, maybe one day he'll be as successful of a head coach as Kirby Smart or Butch Jones!
You're a clown. Your hate for Mac blinds you from reality. The reality is that we have won enough to be the first program to go to the SEC Championship in the first two years of a coaches regime in conference history. He was SEC COY last year and a finalist for National COY this year. Considering the total overhaul he's had to make on offense, id say what he has accomplished is extremely impressive. He's managed to take us to Atlanta even during the rebuild. The sky is the limit. I can't wait for us to get to the promised land. Go Gators!!
David Sharpe
Cam Dillard
Brandon Powell
Cyontai Lewis
Deandre Goolsby
That's it. That's absolutely pitiful. You can hate Mac all you fricking want, that is a bare cupboard. We had nobody before Mac got here. Nobody. And no hope.
I hate that Mac has no clue how to manage a team. Can you imagine? He made it to Atlanta twice not knowing how to manage a team, I bet if he could ever figure it out, maybe one day he'll be as successful of a head coach as Kirby Smart or Butch Jones!
You're a clown. Your hate for Mac blinds you from reality. The reality is that we have won enough to be the first program to go to the SEC Championship in the first two years of a coaches regime in conference history. He was SEC COY last year and a finalist for National COY this year. Considering the total overhaul he's had to make on offense, id say what he has accomplished is extremely impressive. He's managed to take us to Atlanta even during the rebuild. The sky is the limit. I can't wait for us to get to the promised land. Go Gators!!
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