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Posted on 8/17/17 at 5:32 am
Posted on 8/17/17 at 5:32 am
Ok, time to talk real football. I will describe what I see as pros/cons of fellow east members and wait to see others opinions.
UGA a good team that will beat UT, Mizz and their OOC powderpuff schedule. UF, USC, UK, VU & AU are pitfalls with 3 Ls coming from that group. I know they have 10 starters back on defense but Smart inherited poor depth on defense and still needs another year to catch up. Eason is good but he will have to depend on frosh WRs for the most part and his TE. RBs are very good but OL never gelled or supplied blocking lanes.
UT will falter this year and with UF, UGA (revenge for dawgs), Bama it means 3 Ls and I think 2 more at least are waiting....Jones get canned,
USC will be a tough out and Boom has to get one more recruiting class to have his defense where he wants it. They will win some games they are underdogs and lose likewise when favored to a couple teams.
UK is my choice as the surprise team gto watch out for...Stoops has them confident. 9-3 would not surprise me if there is enough depth on defense.
Vandy will again be a pesky thorn for the east teams and they will upset at least team. Thank God we have them at home.
Mizzou will be fun to watch on offense as they will air it out....a lot. Too much passing = losses....and not enough defense.
UGA a good team that will beat UT, Mizz and their OOC powderpuff schedule. UF, USC, UK, VU & AU are pitfalls with 3 Ls coming from that group. I know they have 10 starters back on defense but Smart inherited poor depth on defense and still needs another year to catch up. Eason is good but he will have to depend on frosh WRs for the most part and his TE. RBs are very good but OL never gelled or supplied blocking lanes.
UT will falter this year and with UF, UGA (revenge for dawgs), Bama it means 3 Ls and I think 2 more at least are waiting....Jones get canned,
USC will be a tough out and Boom has to get one more recruiting class to have his defense where he wants it. They will win some games they are underdogs and lose likewise when favored to a couple teams.
UK is my choice as the surprise team gto watch out for...Stoops has them confident. 9-3 would not surprise me if there is enough depth on defense.
Vandy will again be a pesky thorn for the east teams and they will upset at least team. Thank God we have them at home.
Mizzou will be fun to watch on offense as they will air it out....a lot. Too much passing = losses....and not enough defense.
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Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:13 am to reel_gator8
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Posted on 8/17/17 at 10:05 am to UFMatt
Matt that was certainly an in depth look at our east rivals I dare say. 
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:45 pm to reel_gator8
I'm a big picture guy! Don't bore me with the details. 
Posted on 8/17/17 at 5:16 pm to reel_gator8
Georgia seems to get talked up literally every year and produces nothing. They lost to Vanderbilt and got blown out by Ole Miss -- OLE MISS DIDN'T EVEN BOWL, fricks' sake.
They're favored this year over us (like every year) and I think we actually clean their clock pretty good. Their offense, I daresay, looked worse than ours.
PPG we were 107th, they were 102nd. Kirby inherited a better offense and we would have surpassed them if we played our other cupcake on the year. (They had 8 more points than us.)
The scary thing is that they had two five star running backs, a five star quarterback, a stable of four star receivers and an experienced line.
McElwain had a walkon quarterback, two four star receivers a four star running back and an offensive line with no depth whatsoever and still outperformed Kirby.
I actually think the Dogs got a bust, and I think they're gonna be pretty disappointed.
Mizzou is a win, they're not going to be that much better.
Kentucky...might just steal one from us if we don't take them seriously, same with Vandy.
Tennessee is riding some momentum, but I think we would have blown them out if we had a solid running game/line (we will have one this year, and it's in the MF'in Swamp).
frick South Carolina, they won't win unless Muschamp got a magical quarterback. Which he might have.
They're favored this year over us (like every year) and I think we actually clean their clock pretty good. Their offense, I daresay, looked worse than ours.
PPG we were 107th, they were 102nd. Kirby inherited a better offense and we would have surpassed them if we played our other cupcake on the year. (They had 8 more points than us.)
The scary thing is that they had two five star running backs, a five star quarterback, a stable of four star receivers and an experienced line.
McElwain had a walkon quarterback, two four star receivers a four star running back and an offensive line with no depth whatsoever and still outperformed Kirby.
I actually think the Dogs got a bust, and I think they're gonna be pretty disappointed.
Mizzou is a win, they're not going to be that much better.
Kentucky...might just steal one from us if we don't take them seriously, same with Vandy.
Tennessee is riding some momentum, but I think we would have blown them out if we had a solid running game/line (we will have one this year, and it's in the MF'in Swamp).
frick South Carolina, they won't win unless Muschamp got a magical quarterback. Which he might have.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:50 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Every team in the east has improved from what I can see over last year, except for maybe Tennessee. It makes for a really exciting SEC east. UGA, UT, and Florida seem like the most well rounded teams, and I can see why people like UGA on paper, I just don't think Kirby is a good coach. UT's schedule is the toughest of the 3, so that's why I like FLA in the east. I think Missouri is the sleeper.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:00 pm to slayerxing
Georgia's defense will be pretty salty. We return 10 of 11 starters that ranked 16th in the country last year with a major infusion of talent the last two years. It's not outside of the realm of possibility to be a top ten defense this fall. This will keep us in all games. I expect the offense to take a step forward. Not a big step, but a step forward nonetheless. Including the way our schedule sets up, I understand why we were picked the East.
Florida has lost some considerable talent on defense and if Franks is the starter at Qb, I expect him to struggle. First year QB starters in the SEC don't typically put up good numbers. The East may very likely be settled at the WLOCP
Florida has lost some considerable talent on defense and if Franks is the starter at Qb, I expect him to struggle. First year QB starters in the SEC don't typically put up good numbers. The East may very likely be settled at the WLOCP
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:28 pm to HinesvilleThrill
Hinesville...you might be surprised at how good our defense will be this year. Meatchicken lost more starters than ANY FBS team in the country (I think they have a total of 2 starters back)....but doesn't stop them from being in the polls ranked 9th WTF???
As I stated, UGA returns 10 starters on D...but by the time we play injuries could mean you have seven or eight back...we had a lot of starters out on D towards the end and had a walk on LB play a bit against UGA. We got to play a lot of damn good frosh on D.
For some reason UGA hasn't put it together...even with great RBs...UGA got handled by a few teams. UGA lost Isiah and he was your real home run threat, it just seemed to me like the WRs had the droppy bug. We will see this year...but one TE can be covered, UGA needs some really experienced WRs. Thank Richt for that.
As I stated, UGA returns 10 starters on D...but by the time we play injuries could mean you have seven or eight back...we had a lot of starters out on D towards the end and had a walk on LB play a bit against UGA. We got to play a lot of damn good frosh on D.
For some reason UGA hasn't put it together...even with great RBs...UGA got handled by a few teams. UGA lost Isiah and he was your real home run threat, it just seemed to me like the WRs had the droppy bug. We will see this year...but one TE can be covered, UGA needs some really experienced WRs. Thank Richt for that.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 10:52 pm to HinesvilleThrill
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Florida has lost some considerable talent on defense and if Franks is the starter at Qb,
We did better at defense with you last year -- and I have some bad news. We lost both of our top linebackers, both of our safeties and three of our defensive line periodically and managed to set an Outback Bowl record defensively.
Our offense almost returns everyone, offensive line, tight end, wide receivers and even running backs are almost virtually the same.
Kirby had a decent offense and did worse (if Florida had the Presbyterian game, much worse) than McElwain who had a walk-on starting quarterback and a second-tier Purdue transfer leading the offense.
Kirby had better do something special, because he flat out got outcoached last year and by teams with less talent, resources, recruiting ranks etc. etc..
I think you guys got yourselves a dud.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:03 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
UGA will beat UT though Straw and so will a lot of teams. UT wont be able to recruit well with the coaching change fixing to happen...which will mean less competition for UGA/USC and even us some.
UGA did not have any great success...but beat AU and should have beaten UT. This year they lose to AU and will beat the hillbillies. Is Smart a motivator? He does not appear to be on the sidelines..but I don't follow his progress.
UGA did not have any great success...but beat AU and should have beaten UT. This year they lose to AU and will beat the hillbillies. Is Smart a motivator? He does not appear to be on the sidelines..but I don't follow his progress.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 6:10 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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We did better at defense with you last year -- and I have some bad news. We lost both of our top linebackers, both of our safeties and three of our defensive line periodically and managed to set an Outback Bowl record defensively.
Against Iowa. The 117th ranked offense last year. You've lost elite talent and replaced it with good talent.
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Our offense almost returns everyone, offensive line, tight end, wide receivers and even running backs are almost virtually the same.
The 107th ranked offense last year with most likely a new starter. I just don't see a massive jump in offensive output.
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Kirby had a decent offense and did worse (if Florida had the Presbyterian game, much worse) than McElwain who had a walk-on starting quarterback and a second-tier Purdue transfer leading the offense.
We had a sieve for an offensive line and a true freshman QB from the west coast who had never taken a snap under center with a new coach and new system. That's not a good combination. With Eason's growth, I expect defenses to have to respect the pass more and that will open up the box more to give Chubb and Michel more room to operate. We added better talent to the OL. How quickly they gel remains to be seen.
To call Kirby a dud is just way too immature. He's coached one whole season.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 6:33 am to HinesvilleThrill
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We had a sieve for an offensive line
It takes more than one year to build an offensive line. Success on offense and defense is predicated on line play.
Mac has just gotten the OL numbers right in year 3, and although the starters are quality, the depth is not filled with quality guys. From what I've gathered and heard from UGA fans, y'all seem to want to gloss over the bad OL. And it won't be fixed by a bunch of true freshmen. Just my thoughts. I don't think UGA will be 7-5 again, but I think a reasonable record for y'all would be 8-4. Y'all were fortunate to be 7-5. Four 4th quarter comebacks saved UGA from a disastrous season a year ago. I can see 8-4 for UGA and that being a drastic improvement over the product you put on the field last year.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 7:10 am to atlgator
It's Florida or Georgia.
If Florida gets good QB play, they are the East champ. If not, it will be Georgia. Jmo
If Florida gets good QB play, they are the East champ. If not, it will be Georgia. Jmo
Posted on 8/18/17 at 9:30 am to HinesvilleThrill
Florida has out physicaled UGA for a few years now. I don't see that changing this year. It'll come down to QB play. If UF has a QB UGA is fricked just like the rest of the SEC east.
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 9:52 am to atlgator
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It takes more than one year to build an offensive line. Success on offense and defense is predicated on line play.
Could not agree more.
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From what I've gathered and heard from UGA fans, y'all seem to want to gloss over the bad OL. And it won't be fixed by a bunch of true freshmen. Just my thoughts.
I don't expect the line to be leaps and bounds better than it was last year. As a former OL and preferred walk-on at Georgia, I watch the line more than most. There line wasn't good last year. Plain and simple. However, a lot of times opponents sent more guys than we had to block them because they didn't respect Eason to make them pay for it. If Eason takes his anticipated step forward, there won't be so many defenders running down hill. Additionally, of all the positions on the football field, I believe a redshirt to be most valuable to an offensive lineman. Kirby has significantly increased the talent on the OL the past two years. Some of those guys will be RFresh and some like Andrew Thomas might play as a true freshman. Luckily our schedule sets up well that the line will have some time to gel before we get to the meat of our schedule and to see how much we have progressed.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 4:48 pm to HinesvilleThrill
Hinesville, I am a huge fan of OL play....more than a few friends who played OL for the Gators in early 60s to late 60s.
I am always on the soapbox preaching the run game as a key element in winning college football. We have finished last the past several years but our defense saved us.
UGA biggest problem though is WR ...was last year and may be this year...along with the OL. Again, Richt left big holes in depth on defense....good starters but no one behind them. Smart did a really good job recruiting this past year and he will have to get another couple of hauls to get depth....imo.
As for our defense, we have a very very stout DL back, losing Caleb Brantley was big...but Bryan the wild man from Wyoming, true frosh like Carter, seasoned Khairi Clark and others will make running difficult. CeeCee Jefferson and Sherit return as mainly DEs along with a host of others.
LBs are talented and have some experience...depth is the only issue....but hell we play dime a lot and one or two LBs exit on passing downs. Secondary has talent and lacks depth...but I feel we have players who will start either this year or next.
Special teams is spades....important to be able to flip fields and score points with 50 yders.
I am always on the soapbox preaching the run game as a key element in winning college football. We have finished last the past several years but our defense saved us.
UGA biggest problem though is WR ...was last year and may be this year...along with the OL. Again, Richt left big holes in depth on defense....good starters but no one behind them. Smart did a really good job recruiting this past year and he will have to get another couple of hauls to get depth....imo.
As for our defense, we have a very very stout DL back, losing Caleb Brantley was big...but Bryan the wild man from Wyoming, true frosh like Carter, seasoned Khairi Clark and others will make running difficult. CeeCee Jefferson and Sherit return as mainly DEs along with a host of others.
LBs are talented and have some experience...depth is the only issue....but hell we play dime a lot and one or two LBs exit on passing downs. Secondary has talent and lacks depth...but I feel we have players who will start either this year or next.
Special teams is spades....important to be able to flip fields and score points with 50 yders.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 8:02 pm to HinesvilleThrill
Whew, I'm doubting your capacity to hold your head above water for the majority of this conversation.
Do you think there have never been bad offenses in the Outback Bowl? Iowa derailed Michigan, and we absolutely crushed Iowa with essentially our third string defense. If there was a dropoff, I didn't see it except against Championship level teams.
You were ranked 102nd, and the only reason we didn't outperform you (you had 8 points on us) is because we lost the Presbyterian Game and had to play LSU on the road (markedly different and more difficult than Presbyterian in The Swamp).
You understand ''Think'' is different than ''Is'', correct? Kirby could surprise me, but he could also show me that he sucks at offense because when he had a five star receiver, a five star quarterback and two five star running backs he still only scored 8 more points than a Florida team that lost a cupcake game due to weather.
Our offense is returning just about everyone except for the quarterback, our defense set records despite not having 5 starters playing. I'm not scared of Georgia, you guys lost to Treon Harris.
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Against Iowa. The 117th ranked offense last year. You've lost elite talent and replaced it with good talent.
Do you think there have never been bad offenses in the Outback Bowl? Iowa derailed Michigan, and we absolutely crushed Iowa with essentially our third string defense. If there was a dropoff, I didn't see it except against Championship level teams.
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The 107th ranked offense last year with most likely a new starter. I just don't see a massive jump in offensive output.
You were ranked 102nd, and the only reason we didn't outperform you (you had 8 points on us) is because we lost the Presbyterian Game and had to play LSU on the road (markedly different and more difficult than Presbyterian in The Swamp).
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o call Kirby a dud is just way too immature. He's coached one whole season.
You understand ''Think'' is different than ''Is'', correct? Kirby could surprise me, but he could also show me that he sucks at offense because when he had a five star receiver, a five star quarterback and two five star running backs he still only scored 8 more points than a Florida team that lost a cupcake game due to weather.
Our offense is returning just about everyone except for the quarterback, our defense set records despite not having 5 starters playing. I'm not scared of Georgia, you guys lost to Treon Harris.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 12:33 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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got blown out by Ole Miss -- OLE MISS DIDN'T EVEN BOWL, fricks' sake.
We matched up poorly with them and they still had Kelly. They were a good team with him and fell apart after his injury.
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They're favored this year over us (like every year)
Did you just start watching football during the Muschamp years?
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Kirby inherited a better offense
True but they were installing their O last year and wouldn't allow Eason to audible plays at the LOS. You guys were also in year two of Mac's O which makes a huge difference.
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I actually think the Dogs got a bust, and I think they're gonna be pretty disappointed.
We'll see after this year.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 12:34 pm
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