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"I had to ask a booster to fix our plumbing"
Posted on 12/9/16 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 12/9/16 at 4:18 pm
Antonio Morrison at the Senior Bowl, talking about the locker room at Florida.
This is embarrassing and an indictment of what Jeremy Foley allowed our facility became. It's a wonder that we have gotten all the recruits we have. Im glad the facilities are getting improved, and Mac is demanding what he wants and needs for us to be an elite program.
The fact that it's going to take 18 months to break ground on the upgrades to the locker rooms pisses me off too, but at least they're coming. Maybe this AD will be more willing to treat UF like what it is: a RICH and ELITE football program. Kudos to Mac for bending Foleys arm enough to get what he wanted to this point. Now hopefully he'll do the same to Sticklin
This is embarrassing and an indictment of what Jeremy Foley allowed our facility became. It's a wonder that we have gotten all the recruits we have. Im glad the facilities are getting improved, and Mac is demanding what he wants and needs for us to be an elite program.
The fact that it's going to take 18 months to break ground on the upgrades to the locker rooms pisses me off too, but at least they're coming. Maybe this AD will be more willing to treat UF like what it is: a RICH and ELITE football program. Kudos to Mac for bending Foleys arm enough to get what he wanted to this point. Now hopefully he'll do the same to Sticklin
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 6:50 pm to atlgator
So, THIS is where we are 
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 11:18 pm to dbuchanon
Before we hang Foley or anyone else...lets pause and think. Antonio might be exaggerating this a tad? I dunno and some guys will voice things because of built up past and their perceived dissing. Not saying it isnt true but I would like to have this verified before jumping to conclusions.
True that we were slow to improve facilities lately...but Foley wants UF as strong as possible, but maybe the drive to excel in other sports programs caused this? Not an excuse, I am just thinking out loud?
True that we were slow to improve facilities lately...but Foley wants UF as strong as possible, but maybe the drive to excel in other sports programs caused this? Not an excuse, I am just thinking out loud?
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:45 am to reel_gator8
This is total and utter bullshite. Does anyone remember the vans that drive around campus that say things like 'UF Physical Plant' on the side? Here's a nice bit of information - UF has plumbers, construction personnel, general contractors, welders, carpenters, electricians, and all sorts of people on the payroll. They ride around in those vans AND THEY FIX shite ALL OVER CAMPUS!
If there was a plumbing issue that wasn't resolved, there was a reason.
I just want to know this from these players:
Exactly what improvements in the facilities will put a stop to you getting your shite pushed in by Arkansas? Which improvements would prevent you from embarrassing the university when playing FSU?
Which improvements would have allowed you to play a full game against the Vols?
Please, Gator Players, let us know how many more millions of dollars and how many more millions of man-hours of labor it requires for you to be more than the 120th ranked offense in the nation. Clearly, your sense of pride isn't enough.
If there was a plumbing issue that wasn't resolved, there was a reason.
I just want to know this from these players:
Exactly what improvements in the facilities will put a stop to you getting your shite pushed in by Arkansas? Which improvements would prevent you from embarrassing the university when playing FSU?
Which improvements would have allowed you to play a full game against the Vols?
Please, Gator Players, let us know how many more millions of dollars and how many more millions of man-hours of labor it requires for you to be more than the 120th ranked offense in the nation. Clearly, your sense of pride isn't enough.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 5:42 am to UF
Well UF, tell us what you really mean 
You are probably correct about plumbing...but dont mention Morrison and getting shite pushed in.
When Morrison was a frosh LB (sorta like Reese) he hit the girls school QB harder than I have seen us hit a QB in yrs and the QB wasnt slightly built either..he was a biggun, 6'5" 240 or so type....anyway he had to go to the sidelines and I was afraid we had actually killed him. orrison was an All American and posted two years of back to back 100+ tackles.
Morrison was recruited by Muschamp and also was a All SEC Academic award winner. He was drafted on day three, mainly because of his horrible knee injury. His fellow team mate Alex MacCallister made terrible move coming out as a junior and was rated a 7th round to FA pick, but Alex had been suspended from UF and he had bad knee also.
You are probably correct about plumbing...but dont mention Morrison and getting shite pushed in. When Morrison was a frosh LB (sorta like Reese) he hit the girls school QB harder than I have seen us hit a QB in yrs and the QB wasnt slightly built either..he was a biggun, 6'5" 240 or so type....anyway he had to go to the sidelines and I was afraid we had actually killed him. orrison was an All American and posted two years of back to back 100+ tackles.
Morrison was recruited by Muschamp and also was a All SEC Academic award winner. He was drafted on day three, mainly because of his horrible knee injury. His fellow team mate Alex MacCallister made terrible move coming out as a junior and was rated a 7th round to FA pick, but Alex had been suspended from UF and he had bad knee also.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 6:59 am to reel_gator8
I was a huge Foley supporter when he was here. I still am deep down, really. The reason he was so great was because he was able to do what was necessary for every sport to be as successful as possible on the field. The downfall of that, and what hurt Foley in the eyes of the fans, is that he was too worried about those other sports to get facility upgrades for football. You can't ever lose sight of the fact that football plays the bills.
We have to stop acting like our football program is LSUs or Tennessees. We're not broke like them. Hell, they're broke and STILL do facility upgrades. Facility upgrades help in recruiting, they help in the psyche of the team, and it gives players more resources to get better on the field. I wish we would invest in our football program fully. Stop blocking hires of guys like Locksley, let Mac hire huge support staffs, oversign our recruiting classes. We want to be a powerful and dominant program like Bama but we don't have the administration that's willing to do what's necessary to compete at an elite level, despite having more money and resources than any program in the country. It boggles my mind.
We have to stop acting like our football program is LSUs or Tennessees. We're not broke like them. Hell, they're broke and STILL do facility upgrades. Facility upgrades help in recruiting, they help in the psyche of the team, and it gives players more resources to get better on the field. I wish we would invest in our football program fully. Stop blocking hires of guys like Locksley, let Mac hire huge support staffs, oversign our recruiting classes. We want to be a powerful and dominant program like Bama but we don't have the administration that's willing to do what's necessary to compete at an elite level, despite having more money and resources than any program in the country. It boggles my mind.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:01 am to atlgator
I cant disagree with most of your thoughts Atl. But it isnt like we were back in the Dickey days either....when Pell came to UF he was appalled at our facilities...HC coaches office was spartan and had worn furniture etc etc. The one good thing Pell did was immediately set out to correct the facilities overall. When Spurrier arrived he also did some arm twisting to get better equipment and upgrades to be able to compete.
Many may not know this, but Spurrier and his wife Jeri were huge supporters of the women's athletic programs and donated $ 50,000 every single year to women's sports.
Our overall sports program is second to none. But...as you pointed out, football is the bread winner and must receive the lion's share of $$$. And we have been successful overall in the football program, except for the injury riddled 2013 season...no losing records in ages. Look at UT and how they have been pitiful since firing Fulmer. We could be in worse shape than we are, a lot worse.
Could Foley have been more supportive of Spurrier when the coach blistered the media with video clips of the girls school and their dirty play? Yeah I think so. Foley probably felt it would have been more prudent to have it discussed privately and wait for results before going to the media. Of course diddy bowden and his AD hart turned it around as if Spurrier was being a baby.
When mickey andrews was dc at the girls school..he taught his players to be dirty and take key players out of the game in a "win at all costs" attitude. The girls school was rotten to the core back then.
Many may not know this, but Spurrier and his wife Jeri were huge supporters of the women's athletic programs and donated $ 50,000 every single year to women's sports.
Our overall sports program is second to none. But...as you pointed out, football is the bread winner and must receive the lion's share of $$$. And we have been successful overall in the football program, except for the injury riddled 2013 season...no losing records in ages. Look at UT and how they have been pitiful since firing Fulmer. We could be in worse shape than we are, a lot worse.
Could Foley have been more supportive of Spurrier when the coach blistered the media with video clips of the girls school and their dirty play? Yeah I think so. Foley probably felt it would have been more prudent to have it discussed privately and wait for results before going to the media. Of course diddy bowden and his AD hart turned it around as if Spurrier was being a baby.
When mickey andrews was dc at the girls school..he taught his players to be dirty and take key players out of the game in a "win at all costs" attitude. The girls school was rotten to the core back then.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:12 pm to reel_gator8
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Well UF, tell us what you really mean
I always do.
Morrison loses his man card with this nonsense.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 5:30 pm to atlgator
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what hurt Foley in the eyes of the fans, is that he was too worried about those other sports to get facility upgrades for football. You can't ever lose sight of the fact that football plays the bills.
Football also gets more than its share of money spent on it. By a wide, wide margin. It takes an insane amount of money to support football operations.
Also, Foley was the athletic director, not the football director. His job was to make all of Gator athletics excellent and he did that. I find it impossible for me to criticize him for making UF the best athletic department in the nation.
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We're not broke like them.
True but the money spent in college athletics is getting stupid. The bubble is going to burst eventually. I think that in the near future we will appreciate Foley's frugality.
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Facility upgrades help in recruiting
The "prettier is better" mindset is disturbing. That said, winning is still superior.
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they help in the psyche of the team
Then they are weak.
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gives players more resources to get better on the field
This is just an excuse people use to justify ridiculous expenditures and laziness, thinking somehow the facility piece will make up for hard work and desire.
I'm OK with expanding the staff and over-signing a bit so long as ethical lines are not crossed.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 8:43 am to UF
Facilities matter for recruiting. Kids want to go to a school that invests in its athletic program.
Foley got away with have shite facilities because Urban and Billy were really good. IMO Meyer did not press as hard as Mac is for facilities upgrades. Billy did press before he left.
Foley got away with have shite facilities because Urban and Billy were really good. IMO Meyer did not press as hard as Mac is for facilities upgrades. Billy did press before he left.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:03 am to BloodSweat&Beers
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Kids want to go to a school that invests in its athletic program.
That's an interesting way to say that kids want fancy stuff and want to be catered to.
Let's not mince words with what goes on with recruiting. It's an arse kissing contest and a display of how cushy life can be and how fancy shite is. Why are people so willing to commit millions of dollars to this arse kissing contest yet so reluctant to then admit to what it is?
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Foley got away with have shite facilities
Nothing at UF is "shite". The lack of perspective on this issue is mind numbing.
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because Urban and Billy were really good
So was Spurrier. That's really the point here: find good coaches because good coaches win and they know how to produce a winning product and it's demonstrated every time they take the field. Facilities or not, good coaches can win. And winning is worth more than any facility upgrade. That's an important point that Meyer understands, Spurrier understands, and Saban understands. That's why they are focused the most on winning. And it's a point more fans need to understand.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:25 am to UF
I don't believe Morrison, and I don't think we have any maintenance issues at all. Foley clearly did not want to be a part of the "Arms Race" that many other teams in the SEC were having. I am not sure if he saw himself as a white knight to try and stop the obscene spending or what the deal was, but he clearly was on the tightwad side of the fence.
I am hopeful our new AD will put us back among the leaders in having the top facilities in not only the league but the country as well.
I am hopeful our new AD will put us back among the leaders in having the top facilities in not only the league but the country as well.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:46 am to UF
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Nothing at UF is "shite". The lack of perspective on this issue is mind numbing.
Top 10 in revenue every year. Do we have top 10 facilities? No, we might not be top 10 in the SEC.
I love Foley as an AD. I think he was the best AD in the SEC and probably the nation. However, UF is behind most of our competition.
Jack Jackson (who posts on TD and SECr) said a lot of our facilities that he toured during his sons recruitment were the same as when he played here.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:51 am to bigDgator
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I don't believe Morrison, and I don't think we have any maintenance issues at all. Foley clearly did not want to be a part of the "Arms Race" that many other teams in the SEC were having. I am not sure if he saw himself as a white knight to try and stop the obscene spending or what the deal was, but he clearly was on the tightwad side of the fence.
I am hopeful our new AD will put us back among the leaders in having the top facilities in not only the league but the country as well.
I do think that Foley starting the process for facilities upgrades. O'Dome reno was in the works. IPF was supposedly in the works but Mac demanded more and faster.
I also think that Foley did not want to do a bunch of facilities upgrades while there were issues with funding for the university during the recession. Being fiscally responsible is never a bad thing.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:58 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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Being fiscally responsible is never a bad thing.
I agree, but I bet him being too cheap to keep up with the Jones have led to lagging booster support.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:18 pm to UF
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Nothing at UF is "shite". The lack of perspective on this issue is mind numbing.
Our facilities are pretty bad comparatively speaking. The athletic dorms in particular are supposedly awful and have lost us recruits. Steve Russell has had numerous former players, administrators, and sports journalists who have talked about this a great deal over this season.
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That's an interesting way to say that kids want fancy stuff and want to be catered to.
Let's not mince words with what goes on with recruiting. It's an arse kissing contest and a display of how cushy life can be and how fancy shite is. Why are people so willing to commit millions of dollars to this arse kissing contest yet so reluctant to then admit to what it is?
I used to be on this side of things, but at some point, you have to accept the realities of Professional College Football.
Why is a top recruit going to come here when there are a score of other school that do kiss their arse? Wish it wasn't that way, but it nonetheless is.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:37 am to BloodSweat&Beers
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Top 10 in revenue every year. Do we have top 10 facilities? No, we might not be top 10 in the SEC.
So?
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I love Foley as an AD. I think he was the best AD in the SEC and probably the nation. However, UF is behind most of our competition.
Best athletic program in the nation. Where, EXACTLY, is UF behind in terms of things that have tangible, real effects on athletic or academic performance?
Where, EXACTLY, is UF behind in providing athletes that want to be pro athletes the tools to succeed in that endeavor?
Please, someone tell me how the fricking Eleiko barbells and plates and lifting platforms used at Bama or Oregon or Auburn are tangibly, qualitatively, quantitatively different than what's in UF's weight room, in a way that can be demonstrated to impact performance.
Of all the Nike schools, is there shittier Nike stuff at UF compared to Bama or others?
Is the cold water tub and ice packs at Bama somehow colder or more effective?
Let me save everyone some effort here - the difference is in coaching. Compare that retard Dillman to Cochran at Bama. Cochran is better, by a lot. There's a reason that when Muschamp got fired, Dillman went over to be assistant high-fiver and sideline yeller at Bama, rather than getting snatched up as another head s&c guy.
Let me also clue some people into a few things here - the primary site to search for biomedical literature is PubMed. Search on that site for articles related to muscle hypertrophy, exercise metabolism, and similar topics. After all this time, science still does not have precise mechanisms mapped out for muscle hypertrophy or how to specifically target one's 40 time etc. There are principles involved but to this day, they cannot provide rigorous, scientifically validated protocols that can identify optimum, or best ways to do stuff. This is especially the case when trying to develop individual level protocols.
In fact, simple empirical results from old bastards at places like West Side Barbell are still producing the world's strongest people and the world's best programs - virtually all of it is low tech and none of it requires constant infusions of money to make shite pretty. The truly ground breaking platforms or machines that have been created in the past 20 years or so could be purchased with less than $50,000.
There is no evidence at all that attaching some 'xp40 biofeedback enhancer computer diagnostic wobulator' to a power rack does anything at all to aid performance or progress.
We have arrived at a point where sufficient equipment is on hand at every major program in America. The next breakthroughs are going to be in material science to aid player safety, such as helmet design.
We are likely a long ways off from anything revolutionary in performance enhancement, for various reasons that would take too long to discuss here.
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Jack Jackson (who posts on TD and SECr) said a lot of our facilities that he toured during his sons recruitment were the same as when he played here.
Again, I would ask, so what?
I'm not against improvements or spending money. But there are serious issues at UF with regard to available land and so forth. What UF needs is a comprehensive plan, not an incremental approach. Maybe that's what Foley and Strickland have in mind. But it seems the fans want this never ending incremental approach just to look pretty with no regard for need v want, substance v appearance, form v function.
Lastly, as I said before, NCAA statistics will show you that the bulk of program funding still comes from the fans. This exponential growth model in CFB is propped up on fan money, not just TV money. Neither is infinite and the first to go will be fan money. When that bubble bursts, it's going to be a disaster and we'll all be very happy Foley was so tight.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:54 am to LuciusSulla
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Our facilities are pretty bad comparatively speaking. The athletic dorms in particular are supposedly awful and have lost us recruits. Steve Russell has had numerous former players, administrators, and sports journalists who have talked about this a great deal over this season.
I went to them a long time ago. They were better than most apartments in Gainesville, I am positive of that. How they are now, I don't know. If there are issues with them I'd like to know the dynamics to that - it's my understanding that athletes can be in certain areas but they can't be "athletic dorms" and must be the same as those for other students. I could be wrong.
But if that's the case then the issue is about the university infrastructure and I assume that is a direct consequence of UF's commitment over the past decade or two, to building new academic buildings as a priority. The only housing improvements I'm aware of are UF's "Honors" dorms which I find to be an appalling idea as it rewards metrics, not performance.
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used to be on this side of things, but at some point, you have to accept the realities of Professional College Football.
Why is a top recruit going to come here when there are a score of other school that do kiss their arse? Wish it wasn't that way, but it nonetheless is.
Professional College Football is not a sustainable enterprise. It should not be acceptable in that light. The bubble is going to burst. It's not if, it's when.
Anyone with a priority on getting his arse kissed over and above being a Gator, considering all that UF has to offer, is free to go elsewhere and I can live with whatever results we get in that situation.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:47 am to UF
Lol, better be a bad man to revoke that dude's man card
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:57 am to UF
I agree with just about all of this, but I also understand that you and I are not 18 year old kids who are star athletes being told how great they are by people like Nick Saban and Urban Meyer. I'm much more disturbed by the attitude of some of these recruits than the attitude of the programs trying to court them. I remember when Tebow announced his commitment live on ESPN, a ton of people were dumbfounded that ESPN televised a high school kid announcing where he was going to college. These days, announcement videos are produced like movies, NSD is almost a national holiday, and with social media, these guys are celebrities before they ever step foot on campus.
For what it's worth, I do agree that I'd rather see the money spent on recruiting staff than facilities, but once that is in place, I'd like to see some upgrades to the facilities because like it or not, prettier is better
For what it's worth, I do agree that I'd rather see the money spent on recruiting staff than facilities, but once that is in place, I'd like to see some upgrades to the facilities because like it or not, prettier is better
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