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Posted on 1/11/16 at 5:11 pm to
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 5:11 pm to
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gatortrav88
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We lost to a shite Miami team in 2013 when we were basically 100% healthy

That bullshite injury excuse got muschamp another year when he should of been fired

Who the hell actually thought he was gonna turn it around in 2014? Lol


Please research before throwing crap on the wall. For your information we suffered two OL injuries before the UM game and one was season ending to Chaz Green...one of our best OL. Matt Jones shouldnt have played, but did and fumbled early on and didnt return for the next game...then injured at LSU and gone. Theres more but dont want to keep rehashing this. Im posting an article cutout of the game.

Dont post wild opinions as facts...we already have one of those. If you have opinions...post as such....dont throw out 100% healthy shite unless you know its a fact...its much better to add "I think" "we should" or "if" or "looks like".....etc etc

Here you go.

Driskel completed 22 of 33 passes for a career-best 291 yards and a late touchdown for Florida (1-1), which had gotten off to 2-0 starts in each of the previous eight seasons. But he had two interceptions, fumbled once and was stopped on a fourth-down try for another giveaway, all part of a messy effort by the Gators.

"It started with me," Driskel said. "I was careless with the ball."

The offensive numbers were ridiculously one-sided, in favor of the Gators. Florida outgained Miami 413-212, had a 22-10 edge in first downs, outran the Hurricanes 122-50, enjoyed nearly a 2-to-1 edge in time of possession and held Miami to an abysmal 1-for-11 effort on third-down chances.

And the Gators still lost, only blaming themselves afterward.

"You cannot keep shooting yourself in the foot, especially on the road," Florida coach Will Muschamp said.

Miami had 143 yards in the first quarter, averaging 7.9 yards per play. The rest of the way: 69 yards, 2.0 per play. It was Miami's lowest yardage total in a victory since Oct. 26, 1996, when the Hurricanes managed only 162 against then-No. 12 West Virginia.

I apologize for earlier post Trav and edited it some more. Sorry...I just HATE when Gator coaches are slandered and I remember quite well the days of 2001 when Spurrier was HC and Jon Hoke was DC....he was blamed for every ill...even though we had injuries to Earnest Graham and had mediocre rushing, Had soph Rex Grossman who was 5'11" and thought he was 6'5" and never saw a 1 foot window he didnt think he could throw a bullet through from 35 yds away. No one dared openly critized Spurrier but every asst coach was fair game...and even though we finished 9th in the country in total defense Hoke was the punching bag. Its was the straw that broke the camels back and Spurrier left. It was stupid Gator "fans" that help drive him away. A lot of them didnt know the 1960s through 1980s that suffering Gators endured....like a 51-0 UGA beatdown.

Use facts or state opinions as such. I post names and dates in my arguments most of the time. I defended Hoke and Zook and will defend Muschamp....and hopefully we dont run off McElwain or I will defend him too. I even defend Dickey, Pell....but not Capt Kangeroo.
This post was edited on 1/11/16 at 7:16 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 7:32 pm to
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.I just HATE when Gator coaches are slandered


There's no slandering going on, and this is getting tedious.

First coach to lose at UF to an FCS?

Coach. Will. Muschamp.

Nothing else needs to be said, but let's say it. Let's throw some dates.

First coach (at Florida) ever to lose to an FCS? Muschamp.

First coach not to have a winning SEC record since 1979? Oh, it was Muschamp.

First coach to lose to a team while holding the opposing offense to less than 120 yards in the last ten years? Muschamp. frickING TWICE. (129 - 2.)

Of the three last head coaches, which didn't win the East? Will Muschamp.

First head coach to have two consecutive losing seasons in the SEC since the 1950s? Will Muschamp.

First loss to Vanderbilt since 1988? Muschamp.

First not to bowl since 1988? Oh, that'd be Muschamp.

That whole "I just use statistics harrrr" stuff is bull. You don't use statistics, you just want to talk nice about a terrible head coach. He was the worst HC we've had in a looong time. Before I was born.
This post was edited on 1/16/16 at 3:27 pm
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 7:33 pm to
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slayerxing

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QB - huge ?????
RB - Cronkrite and Scarlett barely played last year, neither showed much to be excited about honestly other than maybe Cronkrite as a receiver. New guys we won't know about for a while. Maybe the JUCO makes an immediate impact.

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OL - How is this positive? The presumptive starters at 3 positions are Sharpe at Tackle (good), Dillard at center (meh) and Riles at guard (who the coaches felt they could afford to move to DT late in the year when numbers were low (so meh). After that there are a lot of bodies, but Fred Johnson, Martez Ivey, and Tyler Jordan got destroyed most of the year at various positions on the line (super meh). Hopefully guys like Harkless, Mike, and Dorsey can step up in their third year and contribute at a high level, otherwise, we'll be counting on freshmen and RS freshmen again. Line is still a weak point as of today


Offense IS a concern to me also...mainly because of QB position. As far as RBs...I though both true frosh exhibited some bursts and breakaway ability....but they didnt see the field much at all. Its the nuances of learning blocking and routes etc etc...ball protection that needed honing. I am hopeful they will produce. Gillislee never got on the field much even with r/s year because of nagging injuries, ball protection and blocking etc etc...then boom the lights came on in 2012 with a good OL.
Speaking of OLs...sure, Johnson, Ivy and Jordan had their lunch money stolen in SEC play but that is to be expected as true frosh...they will be better I think this year. It is Sharpe who will bust out and Dillard is going to have some experience behind him at center. We will have a choice of a few players to man the other guard spot if Jordan stays at guard...which I think he will. Im not saying that the OL will be as good as 2012 when we curbstomped LSU with run after run...but it will be improved imo.
TE is a problem unless we can get someone 265 lbs to block well. I watched too many times as McGee even whiff at blocks. Offense is all about blocks and you get 9 men blocking as one unit...look out.

Time to watch Bama-Taters.
Posted by jefffan
Florence- Sumter- Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2013
4971 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 9:16 pm to
Coach Mac is on the filmroom channel on ESPN2 and has been pretty knowledgeable.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 10:20 pm to
The OL got their lunch money stolen by FAU. The good teams at the end of the year didn't just take thier lunch, they took their manhood.

Interesting to see how much they progress this off season.
Posted by gatortrav88
Member since Oct 2014
3807 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 10:26 pm to
Hell I defend zook when he gets compared to muschamp

He at least beat a lot of good top 10 teams in the sec
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 11:54 pm to
Ok...but Zook didnt go to BCS game or go 11-1 which fires up Straw...he cant stand that fact.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 1/12/16 at 6:13 am to
I've said it a million times this year - Muschamp wasn't a bad guy, or even a bad X's and O's guy, or a bad players coach...

He was just a terrible at administratively organizing and managing the team. This had a trickle down effect on the entire organization that caused it to be the worst in 30 years.

He had one shining moment in 2012, in which he beat 4 top 12 teams, which few have ever done and no one had ever done at Florida. But it is clear now, that he did that with some of the best talent ever assembled in UF history. Once he had to rely on his own players, everything fell apart, and that is because his organization was unable to properly identify talent, especially on offense, and then prepare that talent in an organized fashion to win games.

Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 1/13/16 at 4:35 pm to
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Ok...but Zook didnt go to BCS game or go 11-1 which fires up Straw...he cant stand that fact.


Didn't win the East when Mac did.......with a worse team. (Far worse team.)
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 1/13/16 at 5:15 pm to
Mac winning the east is great, but face it, this was the weakest eastern division in a long fricking time.

Had Muschamp's 2012 team been playing in 2015, UF would have probably been 12-0 and fighting ALabama for a shot in the title game.

Muschamp faced a way way way way way harder schedule that year and had no margin for error.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 1/13/16 at 5:59 pm to
Dont use facts or comparisons Slayer or Straw will spin in circles.

I mention 11-1 and he has to throw out a negative....just give it up Straw, come on man.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 1/13/16 at 6:32 pm to
I don't spin. I just use stats. Usually. Unless I'm drunk. And we all know stats don't lie!!!!

Posted by olemc999
At a blackjack table
Member since Oct 2010
13255 posts
Posted on 1/13/16 at 8:23 pm to
You say 11-1 and he says 4-8 and round and round we go.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 3:30 pm to
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Had Muschamp's 2012 team been playing in 2015, UF would have probably been 12-0 and fighting ALabama for a shot in the title game.


Dude found out ways to lose games, which was his biggest defect. If we had had Muschamp this year we wouldn't even be close to bowling.

We definitely lose to Tennessee.

We definitely lose to -- ah frick it. We go 4 - 8 at best, literally at best. You think Muschamp was going to turn around Grier?

His two last years we struggled to bowl, if Mac was the HC of the coach with the 2012 team? We'd have a Championship easy.

Driskel looks like an NFL quarterback at Louisiana Tech, imagine what would have happened if Mac were here instead?

You guys are delusional, Muschamp is an awful coach, he just inherited a world-class defense that could literally run itself.

Mac inherited an awful, awful offense and at least made it salvageable.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 3:34 pm to
And in the end: Getting our shite pushed in by a then Big East team on the largest stage we had and losing to an FCS are infinitely worse than any success that he had. ;Drops mic.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 6:02 pm to
Louisville was pretty good in 2012 i don't know why you are hating on them so hard.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 1/17/16 at 7:26 pm to
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Louisville was pretty good in 2012 i don't know why you are hating on them so hard.



Considering the talent disparity I think Louisville should have been handled.

Also considering we were the only ranked team they beat that year, and their losses to Syracuse and Connecticut.......

Well, I don't think it's too bad to expect us to have you know, at least competed and not been totally dominated by a lesser team.

That's just me.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 1/17/16 at 11:35 pm to
Gee...I thought I saw ULs qb from 2012 starting for NFL team recently in playoffs? Naw, couldnt have been.

Of course Muschamp was SEC Coach of the year in 2012 and I could go on and on....playing with you like a kitten with a ball of yarn.


Regarded as an outstanding defensive mind, Muschamp, 44, is a 21-year coaching veteran, including 13 years in the Southeastern Conference. He has previous head coaching experience, posting a 28-21 record (.571) at the University of Florida from 2011-14. He led the Gators to three bowl games in his four seasons in Gainesville and was recognized as the SEC Coach of the Year in 2012 after guiding Florida to an 11-2 record and a Top-10 finish.

In four of his nine seasons as an FBS defensive coordinator, his teams have allowed less than 100 rushing yards per game and twice led the nation in rushing defense. His 2003 LSU defense led the country by allowing 67 yards per game on the ground, the best mark by an SEC team in the 2000s, while Texas gave up just 73.1 yards on the ground in 2009 to pace the nation.

Straw....just a few fun facts. You cant say "he wouldnt have done this or done that" ....thats opinion only and maybe better stated "I feel he wouldnt have done this or that". Your opinion of him as a DC is way off man.
This post was edited on 1/18/16 at 5:43 am
Posted by broeho
Atlanta, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
1815 posts
Posted on 1/18/16 at 9:02 am to
Pretty embarrassing to have such terrible numbers on O-Line (to go along with bad QBs and mediocre WRs)....

But damn, our defense was stacked.

We just lost a bunch of guys to the draft a year ago (including the 3rd pick in the draft). We are gonna lose a top 10 pick at Corner, a 1st round D-Lineman, a 1st-3rd rounder at MLB, Saftety, and our best pass rusher... and we are gonna be stacked on defense again this year.


Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 1/18/16 at 1:30 pm to
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Gee...I thought I saw ULs qb from 2012 starting for NFL team recently in playoffs? Naw, couldnt have been.


Hilarious. Want to see a list of the Gators who were in the playoffs from Muschamp's team?

Are you seriously trying to compare UL talent to Florida talent that year?

It's very simple: Muschamp was outcoached. Every game he lost, he was outcoached. For his first few years he completely eclipsed the other team in talent and it's showing in the NFL especially on the offensive side.

His defenses were EXTREMELY padded -- nevermind 400+ yards against an FCS and 650+ vs. Alabama.

It's very easy to hold a team to less than 120 total yards (AND STILL LOSE BOTH OF THE frickING GAMES) when you simply run the clock every single year.

If he played an actual offense, teams would have crushed his defensive scheming. PERIOD. Just rewatch the Alabama game.
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