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Posted on 1/6/17 at 2:42 pm to montanagator
Posted on 1/6/17 at 2:42 pm to montanagator
YPC was really bad this year. It was 3.69 on the year. That's a small improvement from last year's 3.48 YPC debacle, but still, one of the worst three YPC season totals, along with the 2013 team's disaster of 3.63 in the modern era of Florida football.
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Posted on 1/6/17 at 3:37 pm to slayerxing
Fair, I guess I just saw one of our highest in the last few years and thought it was better.
God, looking at our raw stats, even the things we think we're good at are mediocre at best compared to the rest of the conference, much less nationally.
Our leading rusher was 14th in the SEC right behind Alabama's QB, our combined Passer line is 2800 or so yards 18 TDs 15 INTs. Even Callaway- the one skill position guy I think is legitimately all-conference level wasn't that great statistically:
54 catches for 721 Yards and 3 TDs- that's a good 3rd or 4th WR on a quality passing offense. (That isn't hyperbole- other than about 150-200 yards that's Jamalle Cornelius's line from our 2006 offense).
God, looking at our raw stats, even the things we think we're good at are mediocre at best compared to the rest of the conference, much less nationally.
Our leading rusher was 14th in the SEC right behind Alabama's QB, our combined Passer line is 2800 or so yards 18 TDs 15 INTs. Even Callaway- the one skill position guy I think is legitimately all-conference level wasn't that great statistically:
54 catches for 721 Yards and 3 TDs- that's a good 3rd or 4th WR on a quality passing offense. (That isn't hyperbole- other than about 150-200 yards that's Jamalle Cornelius's line from our 2006 offense).
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Posted on 1/6/17 at 3:44 pm to montanagator
Yeah.... the offense has been bad.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:22 pm to slayerxing
If your QB doesnt scare defenses out of the box, thats what you'd expect your avg YPC to be or less.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 7:14 am to montanagator
Get outta here with those facts. Those stats are all because of not having a QB.
Or a coach the knows how to work to his teams strengths and minimizing it's weaknesses. Mac is an average coach and recruiter his results on the field and in recruiting show that to be the case. We scraped by with Will Grier, LDR, Treon, AA and we'll get pummeled this year because there's no elite defense or coaches to bail us out when the offense struggles and it will struggle just like the last 2 years. There's a reason RS didn't get a high level DC job after Miami and hasn't been one in a decade. Elite talent can mask average coaching. That's what we have in this coaching staff and a lot of players Average. Anyone paying attention can see we're 2-3 Elite classes away stocked with talent on both sides of the ball and adequate balance.
Or a coach the knows how to work to his teams strengths and minimizing it's weaknesses. Mac is an average coach and recruiter his results on the field and in recruiting show that to be the case. We scraped by with Will Grier, LDR, Treon, AA and we'll get pummeled this year because there's no elite defense or coaches to bail us out when the offense struggles and it will struggle just like the last 2 years. There's a reason RS didn't get a high level DC job after Miami and hasn't been one in a decade. Elite talent can mask average coaching. That's what we have in this coaching staff and a lot of players Average. Anyone paying attention can see we're 2-3 Elite classes away stocked with talent on both sides of the ball and adequate balance.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:05 am to TJGator1215
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Or a coach the knows how to work to his teams strengths and minimizing it's weaknesses. Mac is an average coach and recruiter his results on the field and in recruiting show that to be the case. We scraped by with Will Grier, LDR, Treon, AA and we'll get pummeled this year because there's no elite defense or coaches to bail us out when the offense struggles and it will struggle just like the last 2 years. There's a reason RS didn't get a high level DC job after Miami and hasn't been one in a decade. Elite talent can mask average coaching. That's what we have in this coaching staff and a lot of players Average. Anyone paying attention can see we're 2-3 Elite classes away stocked with talent on both sides of the ball and adequate balance.
Turning a 4-8 team into a 10 win team two years in a row and the first SEC Championship appearances is pretty good. It's not where we will end up, but it's a good start and now we're getting to where we can start to really compete with Bama and FSU.
How can you say for certain that the offense will struggle again next year? A lot of people seem to be of the opinion that the offense is primed to break through a wall because of all of the talent that's been added since Mac took over. And the defense looked really good in the bowl game with all of the young kids playing. I know, that must be hard for you to watch, because you were really hoping that the defense would be bad. You don't know how elite Mac's first half of a class and the 2016 class were. So far, the 2015 class was really good and the 2016 class had a ton of contributors as true freshmen. So I say that we will be fine. And you're just bitching on here for the attention. Maybe you'll lose your account password or something so we don't have to deal with your negativity all offseason.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 12:45 pm to atlgator
I still don't see what you see about UF competing with Alabama or FSU. The gap seems to be widening.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 1:43 pm to atlgator
The team Mac took over was 7-5. He's won 10 games once. Let's use actual facts. Mac's had the easiest of schedules these 2 years compared to past UF coaches yet has failed to produce, especially with him being arrogant. I don't think you watch the same game as me. Not scoring an offensive TD vs FSU 2 years in a row, being outscored 58-15 by FSU and 83-31 by Bama and outrecruited by both isn't competing these last 2 years. Its showing up like Missouri did when they won the East back to back.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 2:28 pm to TJGator1215
Be real, if LSU hadn't bitched about coming to the Swamp we would've played the Presbyterian game, had a 9-3 regular season, and the bowl win would have been a 10 win season.
When I referenced competing with Bama and FSU, I was saying that that is what we need to do next. We've won a lot of games under Mac so far, he's done a lot of good things for our program so far, and the next thing he needs to do to get over the hump is compete with Alabama and FSU on the field. If I said it, i misworded it, I meant that the next thing Mac needs to accomplish is competing with the elite programs we see regularly- FSU and Alabama. Recruiting also obviously has to improve, but I think we're seeing a strong close to this class and that should bode well moving into next season and next recruiting cycle.
When I referenced competing with Bama and FSU, I was saying that that is what we need to do next. We've won a lot of games under Mac so far, he's done a lot of good things for our program so far, and the next thing he needs to do to get over the hump is compete with Alabama and FSU on the field. If I said it, i misworded it, I meant that the next thing Mac needs to accomplish is competing with the elite programs we see regularly- FSU and Alabama. Recruiting also obviously has to improve, but I think we're seeing a strong close to this class and that should bode well moving into next season and next recruiting cycle.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:10 pm to atlgator
You dont go from being what we were before Mac got here offensively to competing with established programs in 2 years.
Look at the OL then and now
The WR corps
Backfield
QBs
Much improved
Look at the OL then and now
The WR corps
Backfield
QBs
Much improved
Posted on 1/8/17 at 1:54 am to atlgator
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How can you say for certain that the offense will struggle again next year? A lot of people seem to be of the opinion that the offense is primed to break through a wall because of all of the talent that's been added since Mac took over.
What talent- we have some guys, but there's little to no reason to think the offense is in the top half of the conference in terms of actual demonstrated talent- at QB best case scenario and we probably have the 7th or 8th best QB...in the SEC, in terms of WR we're probably at the fringes of the top 5, RB- fringe top 5, I mean I'm starting to worry that we're just deluding ourselves- our two best offenses since Tebow left were the 2012 offense (above average efficency just really bad pace) and the 2014 Offense the year Muschamp got fired.
People talk about how Mac is a good offensive coach but let's be real would does anyone outside of Gainesville and perhaps Tuscaloosa really view McElwain as anything more than an average to above average offensive guy- its pretty easy to list dozens of coaches with better offensive track records- McElwain in his entire career as an OC and HC has had exactly 1 offense that even approached elite and only a few that were top 25 overall- hiring Mac as your offensive coach is like us bringing in Cam Cameron from LSU to boost our offense.
If Mac doesn't work out can we try and bring in an actual offensive coach and not simply the "best offensive coach who worked under Saban at Alabama", I'm freaking tired of 5 years of every single criticism being met with people pointing at Bama.
Foley was like one of those South Pacific Islanders only his Cargo Cult is the process. Screw that, next time we hire ties to Bama should be disqualifiers unless the coach can explain how they weren't influenced by their time in Tuscaloosa.
Hiring Saban coaches in college is like hiring Belicheck assistants in the NFL.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 1:58 am to atlgator
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I think we're seeing a strong close to this class
If we end up with a Top 5 class all criticisms of Mac's recruiting go out the window. That's what you mean by closing strong right? At the very least Top 10? Because otherwise it's not closing strong.
In fairness to Mac, we shouldn't expect a guy to be able to repeat his "bump class" high repeatedly I mean #12 is pretty strong can't expect a guy to get inside the top 15 multiple times without a national title.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 5:28 am to montanagator
Huh? Zook and WM both had classes in the top 10 and they never won a NC. WM finished in the top 10 with an average * rating of 89 even after going 4-8 and being on the hot seat. That's higher than any Mac signed class. Mac has won on the same level as WM and Zook but hasn't even pulled a top ten class. It's going to take a bunch of commits just to finish in the top 15.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 9:27 am to TJGator1215
I'll make a ban bet with you that Florida finishes in the Top 15 in the final recruiting class rankings.
From Signing Day until the start of spring practice.
Deal?
From Signing Day until the start of spring practice.
Deal?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 9:42 am to atlgator
Nah that's pointless. Like bragging about winning the SEC East.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 9:42 am to atlgator
Nah that's pointless. Like bragging about winning the SEC East.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:00 am to TJGator1215
Because you know this class will finish in at least the top 15. You're trolling about stuff you don't even believe in.
No one has bragged about winning the East. It is a good start though, for a program that is being forced to rebuild due to the failures of the last staff in regards to their coaching and recruiting on the offensive side of the ball.
No one has bragged about winning the East. It is a good start though, for a program that is being forced to rebuild due to the failures of the last staff in regards to their coaching and recruiting on the offensive side of the ball.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:05 am to atlgator
As long as we land some players of need idgaf about where some point system ranks us.
Urban lands top ranked classes, hows his OL?
Urban lands top ranked classes, hows his OL?
This post was edited on 1/8/17 at 10:07 am
Posted on 1/8/17 at 12:23 pm to dbuchanon
You can land all the players of need you want if they're not as talented as your opponents with incredible coaching you lose. See Arkansas, UK, Vandy etc. Mac is 4-8 against UT, FSU, Bama, UGA, Michigan and LSU. It's been proven top 5 classes and great coaching equals success. As for Meyer's OL They're talented but young and they made it to the cfp. Meyer has a resume and 3 NCs.
How's Mac's oline doing? Decent in pass protection awful in the running game.
How's Mac's oline doing? Decent in pass protection awful in the running game.
This post was edited on 1/8/17 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 1/8/17 at 12:31 pm to atlgator
I'll take your bet if you switch it to Top 10.
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