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Bottom Line: Florida needs a QB
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:06 am
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:06 am
I've been doing a lot of reading since the Arkansas game, and have had a couple of days to reflect now, and even look at a ton of stats and run a regression analysis, LOL.
This is the bottom line, Florida needs a QB.
In Power 5 games, the QB play has definitively improved the past two years, statistically, but unfortunately the running game has regressed further than the passing game has improved in that same time frame.
If Florida finds a QB, they will win a lot of games. If they don't, they will be coach searching next December. It is just that simple. Because unless the running game makes a huge improvement from this year to next, it just won't be good enough to win enough games against a brutal schedule for McElwain to keep his job.
The announcement just came out that LDR is out this week with a shoulder injury. Let's see what they decide to do against South Carolina.
Despite how angry we deservedly were on Saturday, and despite the piss poor showing on the road, we as fans need to show up and root on the home team this Saturday, because a poor fan showing and a loss to USCe would be cataclysmic for the program at this point, especially given how big of a recruiting weekend it is going to be.
This is the bottom line, Florida needs a QB.
In Power 5 games, the QB play has definitively improved the past two years, statistically, but unfortunately the running game has regressed further than the passing game has improved in that same time frame.
If Florida finds a QB, they will win a lot of games. If they don't, they will be coach searching next December. It is just that simple. Because unless the running game makes a huge improvement from this year to next, it just won't be good enough to win enough games against a brutal schedule for McElwain to keep his job.
The announcement just came out that LDR is out this week with a shoulder injury. Let's see what they decide to do against South Carolina.
Despite how angry we deservedly were on Saturday, and despite the piss poor showing on the road, we as fans need to show up and root on the home team this Saturday, because a poor fan showing and a loss to USCe would be cataclysmic for the program at this point, especially given how big of a recruiting weekend it is going to be.
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:11 am to slayerxing
Some stats: (not including bowl games)
Florida against p5 teams:
Passing TD per game
2014 - 0.89
2015 - 1.1
2016 - 1.5
Completion Percentage
2014: 48.5%
2015: 54.5%
2016: 57.2%
Yards per game:
2014: 140.67
2015: 203.30
2016: 226.00
And that's with shite QB play. If UF can find a QB, they will be fine.
The questions is, can this staff actually find a fricking QB?
Florida against p5 teams:
Passing TD per game
2014 - 0.89
2015 - 1.1
2016 - 1.5
Completion Percentage
2014: 48.5%
2015: 54.5%
2016: 57.2%
Yards per game:
2014: 140.67
2015: 203.30
2016: 226.00
And that's with shite QB play. If UF can find a QB, they will be fine.
The questions is, can this staff actually find a fricking QB?
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:11 am to slayerxing
Ill be there rooting for my Gators.
I hope that we get a chance to see Franks or Trask. Just wanna see what they got
I hope that we get a chance to see Franks or Trask. Just wanna see what they got
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:14 am to slayerxing
Running play is really bad though, but maybe if it can get back to pre-2014 levels, UF will be in better shape:
Against p5 teams
Rushing TD per game
2014: 1.67
2015: 1.30
2016: 1.17
Rushing YPG
2014: 191.22
2015: 113.90
2016: 140.17
Rushing YPC
2014: 4.34
2015: 3.16
2016: 3.88
The running game has been so bad the last two years. Maybe we should be talking about that even more than the QB situation, but I think the one solution is a good QB. You find that, and everything benefits.
Against p5 teams
Rushing TD per game
2014: 1.67
2015: 1.30
2016: 1.17
Rushing YPG
2014: 191.22
2015: 113.90
2016: 140.17
Rushing YPC
2014: 4.34
2015: 3.16
2016: 3.88
The running game has been so bad the last two years. Maybe we should be talking about that even more than the QB situation, but I think the one solution is a good QB. You find that, and everything benefits.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:23 am to atlgator
In his Monday press conference he just said that Appleby will get the first snap, but all 3 QB's could possibly play.
He also admitted that LDR was injured in the 2nd quarter against Arkansas and they should have pulled him at half time.
What a total frick up that was. He was the only human being on earth that didn't think pulling LDR was a good idea.
Jesus H frick. I have mentioned a few times since he has been here that I have questioned his judgement, but that takes the cake. Hopefully he learns from that and is willing to try all 3 QBs against USCe if necessary to see who the frick is the best option.
He also admitted that LDR was injured in the 2nd quarter against Arkansas and they should have pulled him at half time.
What a total frick up that was. He was the only human being on earth that didn't think pulling LDR was a good idea.
Jesus H frick. I have mentioned a few times since he has been here that I have questioned his judgement, but that takes the cake. Hopefully he learns from that and is willing to try all 3 QBs against USCe if necessary to see who the frick is the best option.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:39 am to slayerxing
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He also admitted that LDR was injured in the 2nd quarter against Arkansas and they should have pulled him at half time.
We ought to write him a letter about that shite.
Seriously, he didn't look right for almost the entire game and playing him through an injury is just fricked up, even worse when you ask Del Rio to bomb it pre-snap.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:41 am to slayerxing
LDR is done.
Smh at this disaster of a staff. No accountability.
Wtf is this shite? Why was he let back out there?
Smh at this disaster of a staff. No accountability.
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osgators: Mac said Del Rio injured when slammed to ground during second quarter. INT down the middle to Callaway came afterward, Mac said.
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osgators: 'He'll be out for awhile,' Mac on LDR. "it's bad, man. When you can't life your duffle bag up chances are something's hurt.'
Wtf is this shite? Why was he let back out there?
This post was edited on 11/7/16 at 11:44 am
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:51 am to TJGator1215
Because you can't know a player is injured if he doesn't say anything. Or if he insists he isn't hurt and is good to go.
I was let back into a game that I broke my thumb and tore a ligament in my thumb because I was able to convince the coaches I was fine.
I'm more upset that he continued to roll with LDR despite how bad he was playing than I am about him playing while hurt. Playing hurt is the way the game goes.
I was let back into a game that I broke my thumb and tore a ligament in my thumb because I was able to convince the coaches I was fine.
I'm more upset that he continued to roll with LDR despite how bad he was playing than I am about him playing while hurt. Playing hurt is the way the game goes.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 12:01 pm to atlgator
Shockingly, I'm with TJ on this one. A quarterback is different from a regular player. Anyone could see that his mechanics were off and his passes were shorter than usual.
If we ask these questions from home, McElwain has gotta know that on the field. (We asked about this in the game thread.)
If we ask these questions from home, McElwain has gotta know that on the field. (We asked about this in the game thread.)
Posted on 11/7/16 at 12:20 pm to slayerxing
I agree with pretty much all you said.
Bullet points, IMO
. Open QB position up this week, best practice starts
. We can not lose to USCe, the damage would be irreparable for the program.
. If we don't find the right QB quickly, be prepared for several 8-4 - 7-5 years.
. A change at OC may be needed regardless of how we finish the year.
Bullet points, IMO
. Open QB position up this week, best practice starts
. We can not lose to USCe, the damage would be irreparable for the program.
. If we don't find the right QB quickly, be prepared for several 8-4 - 7-5 years.
. A change at OC may be needed regardless of how we finish the year.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 1:06 pm to UFMatt
I listened to the Nick and Spivey podcast over at GC, and having been at the game, they don't think the OC is the issue. They said guys were running wide open all game.
The main issues they discussed and I agree with:
-Didn't understand overall game plan, but WR's were open all day, so maybe the coaches did see something, but LDR couldn't execute it.
-Didn't understand why Del Rio wasn't pulled in the 2nd quarter. Or after half. Really dumbfounded.
-Really confused about the RB situation. Scarlett and Perine are the best guys, but Thompson, a guy coming off of an arrest, and Cronkrite, who basically quit the team two weeks ago, got most of the touches. Really confused on that one.
-Team came out in both halves with no energy - been a problem all year - and there is no player leadership. They wonder why this is. Is it coaching? Is it just the make up of this team? Hard to say. They talked about it for a while. Say that the coaches making decisions to play guys like Cronkrite and Thompson hurts their credibility as leaders.
-How bad they are in the 3rd quarter. They have been really bad after halftime this year.
The main issues they discussed and I agree with:
-Didn't understand overall game plan, but WR's were open all day, so maybe the coaches did see something, but LDR couldn't execute it.
-Didn't understand why Del Rio wasn't pulled in the 2nd quarter. Or after half. Really dumbfounded.
-Really confused about the RB situation. Scarlett and Perine are the best guys, but Thompson, a guy coming off of an arrest, and Cronkrite, who basically quit the team two weeks ago, got most of the touches. Really confused on that one.
-Team came out in both halves with no energy - been a problem all year - and there is no player leadership. They wonder why this is. Is it coaching? Is it just the make up of this team? Hard to say. They talked about it for a while. Say that the coaches making decisions to play guys like Cronkrite and Thompson hurts their credibility as leaders.
-How bad they are in the 3rd quarter. They have been really bad after halftime this year.
This post was edited on 11/7/16 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 11/7/16 at 1:10 pm to atlgator
His arm was dangling like it was dead.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 1:15 pm to slayerxing
That maybe true but when you start the game at your ten and go 5 wide and then continually bomb it that's on the OC. Especially when the defense you're facing is giving up 343 yards on the ground in the SEC and they gave up 500+ to AUB. Did anyone watch film?
Posted on 11/7/16 at 1:16 pm to slayerxing
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Jesus H frick. I have mentioned a few times since he has been here that I have questioned his judgement, but that takes the cake. Hopefully he learns from that and is willing to try all 3 QBs against USCe if necessary to see who the frick is the best option.
He's just so fricking stubborn, like I bet he actually could adapt his sacred "system" but he refuse to do so-- see: the back of half of 2015 when any idiot could see that adding some zone read and spread principles would have at the very least helped against Vandy and FAU.
Also if we finish 1-2 can we please drop the stupid "Mac's 12-1 with his starting QB" fiction- LDR was going to be benched this game- he's not the "starting QB" and we can't peddle that crap as an excuse.
This post was edited on 11/7/16 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 11/7/16 at 1:46 pm to slayerxing
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They said guys were running wide open all game.
I saw this at the Georgia game
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Didn't understand why Del Rio wasn't pulled in the 2nd quarter. Or after half. Really dumbfounded.
Agree completely, it was obvious he wasn't right.
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-Team came out in both halves with no energy - been a problem all year - and there is no player leadershi
This is real problem.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 5:20 pm to UFMatt
Why would we start AA?
UF isn't beating LSU on the road. Play a TR FR the rest of the way out and see how they respond to adversity. Playing AA does nothing.
UF isn't beating LSU on the road. Play a TR FR the rest of the way out and see how they respond to adversity. Playing AA does nothing.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 7:54 pm to gatordmb89
Playing AA sets us up for failure next season opening up against Michigan. Get the Freshmen some playing time
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:27 am to Edearl Watson
Here is great write up by ESPN on the state of our offense in there words stale.
"Even the improvement is hard on the eyes. Rhythm-less Florida has been trying to beat teams with predictable football that left Arkansas lining up mainly in a base 4-3 and daring the Gators to do something interesting. Instead, it was more runs stuffed up the middle and erratic passing. Little motion, no imagination and no way to utilize any sort of speed. Antonio Callaway, Brandon Powell and DeAndre Goolsby, arguably Florida's top playmakers, are ineffective on the field. That four-headed running attack has been held under 110 yards five times this season."
"And now the season hangs in the balance with a rejuvenated Muschamp returning to the Swamp and a showdown with LSU looming. A win isn't a given this weekend, and nothing tells us they'll win in Baton Rouge -- not with this offense. It isn't fair to throw McElwain on the hot seat in Year 2, but he's an offensive mind with no offense, and it's making Florida football unbearable to watch."
LINK
"Even the improvement is hard on the eyes. Rhythm-less Florida has been trying to beat teams with predictable football that left Arkansas lining up mainly in a base 4-3 and daring the Gators to do something interesting. Instead, it was more runs stuffed up the middle and erratic passing. Little motion, no imagination and no way to utilize any sort of speed. Antonio Callaway, Brandon Powell and DeAndre Goolsby, arguably Florida's top playmakers, are ineffective on the field. That four-headed running attack has been held under 110 yards five times this season."
"And now the season hangs in the balance with a rejuvenated Muschamp returning to the Swamp and a showdown with LSU looming. A win isn't a given this weekend, and nothing tells us they'll win in Baton Rouge -- not with this offense. It isn't fair to throw McElwain on the hot seat in Year 2, but he's an offensive mind with no offense, and it's making Florida football unbearable to watch."
LINK
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 1:30 am
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:20 am to gatorbait_007
^Florida football has been unbearable to watch the last decade. Everything you all are saying in this thread all points to ONE thing... Coaching. This team lacks coaching, nothing more, nothing less. We are not a well coached team on offense, defense or special teams. We all know the offense is horrible. The defense is pretty pathetic as well. They can't stop any team for a complete game, blame the offense if you want but our defense can get run on with no response and most teams have WR's running wide open many times in games. Then I keep hearing about our special teams. WTF? Our punter can punt far and our kicker can kick far, yes, but when have we had a punt run back for a TD or a fg/punt blocked? Our special teams are nothing special at all. We might flip the field with our punter but that's because the offense sucks. We're not scoring points with this special teams and it should not be considered a strength.
Poor coaching has us right where we are. Especially poor play calling. Don't blame the QB.
Poor coaching has us right where we are. Especially poor play calling. Don't blame the QB.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 11:05 pm to gatordmb89
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Why would we start AA?
UF isn't beating LSU on the road. Play a TR FR the rest of the way out and see how they respond to adversity. Playing AA does nothing.
Maybe for a year for elligibility but...yeah we need something on offense, now. To keep recruits and show others that there's a future.
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