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atlgator
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re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
Once we start having the 15-20 four and five stars in every class pan out, on top of the 10 or so 3 star guys getting developed into quality players, we will see the improvement. Right now we are building up to that point. Patience is key, because what we see now is nowhere near what the final result is going to be. It's being built up.


TJGator1215
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Member since Sep 2011
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re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
What 3* has been developed here?


TJGator1215
Florida Fan
Member since Sep 2011
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re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
UF has never had 10 successful 3*s in a class. 1-2 yes. Mac can't recruit elite talent or staff. That's why he had to settle on Shannon for DC. Our 4-5* players aren't being developed. Just look at Cece, Ivey, Callaway and Scarlett. Good players who don't standout each game like a Christian Wilkons, Dalvin Cook, Derrius Guice, they have a great series or game but their inconsistent at best.


bigDgator
Florida Fan
Dallas
Member since Oct 2008
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re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
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What 3* has been developed here?


Just looking at 3* on 247

Jarrad Davis
Joey Ivie
Quincy Wilson
Antonio Callaway
Jabari Zuniga
Fred Johnson
David Reese
Lamical Perine
Vosean Joseph
Jawaan Taylor
Antonio Riles





slayerxing
Florida Fan
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Member since Feb 2010
8008 posts

re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
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Our three stars have panned out well, and that's the most important piece. Developing players rather than neglecting them.



It is too early to say that IMO.

UF gave up 145 YPG on the ground this year. The worst since 2003. The pass defense was excellent and that was where UF had the most talent, both on paper and in real life.






bigDgator
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Dallas
Member since Oct 2008
10772 posts

re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
Our LBs and DLs were banged up all year. Not an excuse but we were already thin at the position. And that was still good for 5th in the SEC. We weren't terrible in 2016.

2008 - 105
2009 - 100
2010 - 130
2011 - 132
2012 - 94
2013 - 142
2014 - 116
2015 - 128
2016 - 144


dbuchanon
Florida Fan
Gramercy LA
Member since Nov 2014
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re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
Maybe because those teams have had the same staff for several years and have a strong foundation in place? Not 6 OL.

Water is wet, TJ hates the Gators


slayerxing
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Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
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re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
We will see what the numbers look like next year. I see a pattern since 2014 of a team getting worse and worse against the run.


atlgator
Florida Fan
Atlanta
Member since Aug 2014
3032 posts

re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
Defensive tackle is a huge issue and question mark headed into next year.

Need to add 2-3 more quality guys there and hope they can hold their own as freshmen and develop into better players as the season wears on and in their sophomore and junior years.


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TJGator1215
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re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
Davis and Ivey. The rest haven't done much to prove they're legit impacts other than Callaway, Taylor and Maybe Perine.


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TJGator1215
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re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
I love UF. I just call it like I see it. We had 13-15 OL THIS YEAR. FUCCKKKKKKK QUIT USING THAT GODDAMN EXCUSE!!!!!!!!


PLENTY OF TEAMS HAD INEXPERIENCE ON THE OL AND DID JUST FINE ON OFFENSE. NOT #116TH IN THE frickING NATION AND WORSE THAN 100th IN THE RZ.

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Career OL Starts Returning


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93 Texas 47


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95 Clemson (13) 46


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93 Arkansas (10) 47


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99 Florida (11) 43


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107 USF (10) 36


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110 Syracuse (14) 34


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117 Baylor (8) 27


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117 Notre Dame (4) 27


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119 Houston (11) 26


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121 Nebraska (14) 24


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123 Texas A&M (13) 21


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124 Kansas St (10) 17


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126 Missouri (14) 11

LINK

Total Offense:
#6-Baylor
#11-USF
#12-Clemson
#13-Miz
#16-Texas
#24-TAMU
#41-Houston
#42-Syracuse
#54-Ark
#62-ND
#83-KSTATE
#90-NEB
#116-FLORIDA THAT IS WORSE THAN WM WORST YEAR ON OFFENSE.

top add insult to injury:

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115 South Carolina 13 1747 2771 877 4518 5.15 347.5
116 Florida 13 1667 2805 862 4472 5.19 344.0



UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!
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montanagator
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Member since Jun 2015
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re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
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Once we start having the 15-20 four and five stars in every class pan out, on top of the 10 or so 3 star guys getting developed into quality players, we will see the improvement. Right now we are building up to that point. Patience is key, because what we see now is nowhere near what the final result is going to be.


The problem is we're arguably becoming less talented overall every year Mac remains in charge.


montanagator
Florida Fan
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14148 posts

re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
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Our three stars have panned out well, and that's the most important piece.


No, no its not, not for great teams. The majority of elite team rosters are 4 and 5 stars.

Hell for all people hold up the Callaway's and Davis's almost all of the truly all time great Gators(and players in general as of late) - the guys who led us to titles were 5 or at worst high 4 star players in the top 5 or top 10 at their position nationally.

It's just not as good a story so people don't talk about as much as the come from nowhere story.

Chris Leak and Tim Tebow- both extraordinarily highly touted out of HS and in the top 5 at their positions due to production not solely camps.

Brandon Spikes- 4/5 star
Harvin- #1 overall player nationally in some publications
Pouncey twins- 4 stars who came in with a 5 star
Rainey- that 5 star
Demps- 3 star but shot up really fast late aftwr setting World Record for u18 in 100m
Riley Cooper- high 4 star athlete
Aaron Hernandez- 4 star

etc.

This has held true for Mac as well with the exception of Taylor, Callaway, Davis and Quincy

Kelvin Taylor- 5 star
Robinson- 4 star
VH3- 5 star
Tabor - 4/5 star
Jefferson- 5 star
Keanu- 4 star
Harris- 4 star
Cleveland-4 star
Scarlett- 4 star
Anzalone- 4 Star
etc
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atlgator
Florida Fan
Atlanta
Member since Aug 2014
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re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
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The problem is we're arguably becoming less talented overall every year Mac remains in charge.


And that's an argument that you'd lose


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dbuchanon
Florida Fan
Gramercy LA
Member since Nov 2014
3973 posts

re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
TJ seems pretty bitter we had a good season and won our Bowl game.

Pull all the numbers out of your arse that you want
2 East titles in as many years is better than a 4 win season.

Keep you head in the sand all you want while ignoring the OL and QB situation we had when Mac arrived.
You bring up Clemson and their OL
No f ucking shite Sherlock, your O will do better when your QB makes defenses unable to stack the box. We havent had that since Grier, these bandaids will be ripped off next season.. You act like youve never watched a game. Defenses load up due to LDR and Appleby not scaring anyone

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TJGator1215
Florida Fan
Member since Sep 2011
9352 posts

re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
MAC HAD THE WORST OFFENSE THIS PAST YEAR THAN WM!!! THERE IS NO SPINNING THAT BS!!!!!! I've watched plenty of games. MAC UIS AN OFFENSE COACH AND JUST HAD THE WORST OFFENSE THAN THE WORST HC IN MODERN UF HISTORY!!! MAC WILL GO DOWN AS A WORSE RECRUITER AND HC THAN WM. #116 IN OFFENSE. PATHETIC. WINNING THE SEC IS THE GOAL NOT GETTING SLAUGHTERED BY BAMA AFTER BEATING A SHITTY EAST!!!! KEEP YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND!!


dbuchanon
Florida Fan
Gramercy LA
Member since Nov 2014
3973 posts

re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
The same shitty East that Champ couldnt win this yr?

Btw
All caps doesnt make you right lol


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dbuchanon
Florida Fan
Gramercy LA
Member since Nov 2014
3973 posts

re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
Youre more of an idiot than i thought if you think any team is going to win 4 games, change HCs and then beat Bama in the next two yrs.

Wow man


TJGator1215
Florida Fan
Member since Sep 2011
9352 posts

re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
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Jim McElwain an offensive coach in year 2: 116th in total O


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Muschamp in 1st year at a team with less offensive talent: 115th in total O


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Jim McElwain has had the worst offense of any UF HC including a defensive coach in Will Muschamp.



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They both suck. Keep touting East participation trophies


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TJGator1215
Florida Fan
Member since Sep 2011
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re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
UF won 7 games in WM last year. I expect an offensive HC not finish behind the guy that just got fired who had less talent.


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