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The "what if" game with Fuente ...

Posted on 10/23/15 at 9:55 pm
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 10/23/15 at 9:55 pm
Okay, so let's say Fuente ends-up here.

What could he do at QB with what he would inherit?

Remember, the Paxton Lynch kid at Memphis was not recruited by anyone else. He only threw for 1000 yards with a 51% completion rate his entire HS career. Now he's a Heisman candidate.

Lynch reminds me of Scarnecchia if Scar would put-on some weight. Nunez might be a gem for Fuente.

What might Fuente do with some of the other returning players?

Will Pharaoh return?

Memphis is playing with some seriously undervalued talent - no big stars, no 4 or 5 star recruits. Mostly 2 and 3 stars and a lot of walk ons that the staff has developed.

This staff obviously has a good eye for talent and knows how to coach-em up.

(Note - I'm watching the Memphis @ Tulsa game as I type.)
Posted by Carolina_Girl
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Posted on 10/23/15 at 10:09 pm to
I'm watching the game as well...and it just cements my opinion regarding Fuente.

He needs to be wearing Garnet and Black next year.

Considering what we know about Lynch, I think the sky is the limit with what he could do with our current QB talent. Add in McIlwain and holy hell....it makes my soul smile just thinking about it.

I've seen a lot of ppl elsewhere bitching about the # of 2 and 3 stars we're recruiting vs. 4 and 5 stars. I don't necessarily buy 100% into the stars assigned to recruits, though. You have 5 stars that are just unstoppable in high school but cannot adapt at the next level....and you have walk ons that end up making 5 stars look like scrubs. Get a coach in here (like Fuente) who has proven that he's able to develop players, finessing and building on natural ability, and suddenly you've got a team full of players who are all able to contribute at an elite SEC level when called upon.

I would love to see Pharoh return, but I've heard rumblings (as I'm sure you have) that he's leaving after this year.

Long and short of it...Tanner better get a jump on Fuente if he hasn't already.
This post was edited on 10/23/15 at 10:27 pm
Posted by Cockopotamus
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Posted on 10/24/15 at 12:06 am to
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Will Pharaoh return?





Of course not.
Posted by 1801
Charleston
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Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:12 am to
quote:

What could he do at QB with what he would inherit?


that's been my biggest concern with Fuente. Lynch ended up at Memphis largely because of Darrell Dickey. Fuente clearly is a capable head coach. had he not landed Fuente would Memphis be the "turnaround" story be what it is this soon/at all?

in Fuente's first season he inherited a Texas Tech transfer qb in Jacob Karam at Memphis. Karam stat line for the 2012 season;

176/274 (64%) 1895 yds 14 td 3 int - 158/ypg (12 games)

Lynch came in and Fuente started him ahead of the SR Karam in 2013.

FR- 203-349 (58%) 2056 yds 9 td 10 int - 172/ypg (12 games)

SO- 259/413 (63%) 3031 yds 22 td 9 int - 233/ypg (13 games)

there's no denying what Fuente has done at Memphis. he has pulled in some talent that couldn't get into most SEC schools outside of the Mississippis and their slack entrance requirements. I am skeptical of his ability to go head-to-head in recruiting battles with our natural rivals having to comply with USC's entrance requirements instead of Memphis'. his staff would likely include Dickey (TX native/ties) and Galen Scott DC (Orland native - Illinois St player/asst coach).

I think Fuente would have success at Carolina. I don't know if he has all the attributes Ray Tanner outlined in his comments regarding ties to the Southeast and draw to USC.

right now I'm still leaning more to recruiting at an insane level with a known and aggressive staff around the Southeast and that brings me back to Kirby Smart and the staff he could assemble in Columbia.

having said that, I have no issues if Fuente were to be hired at USC.









Posted by KingSlayer
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:54 am to
I don't think there is any doubt that Fuente is a really good coach and would be solid here. My one question is the recruiting question. I could see him being more of a Pinkel who gets the most out of slightly above average talent. I just don't know if he has the ability to win head to head recruiting battles with Clemson, Georgia, and Florida. That's what it will take to ever win an SEC title. Just being a great coach won't get it done, you have to be a great recruiter too. But if he sells himself to Tanner, and Tanner believes he can get it done, I'm on board.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 10/24/15 at 1:02 pm to
I wouldn't look too much at Lynch's HS stats considering he played in a wing-t offense and not much talent to throw to.

He could tear it up with Nunez and the recruit as they would flourish in his O.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/24/15 at 3:07 pm to
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I could see him being more of a Pinkel who gets the most out of slightly above average talent


This is his closest analog. We've seen where Mizzou has been competitive in the conference. I've got to think that USC can attract higher quality talent simply due to geography.

Fuente is a fine coach, and we'd be lucky to have him. But of the Big Three, Herman and Smart are slightly more attractive.

Let's hope we can get one of them...
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 10/24/15 at 4:18 pm to
Smart would be the least attractive to me if we were hiring a new coach. The lack of head coaching experience would put him below the other two.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/24/15 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

Okay, so let's say Fuente ends-up here.

What could he do at QB with what he would inherit?


Fuente made a 2* QB look like the best QB in college football. With Nunez, McIlwain and Mitch....he would have more talent to work with than he's ever had. One of those guys is going to become an absolute stud next season under Fuente.

quote:

What might Fuente do with some of the other returning players?

He'll try to keep as many as he can and engage them/build a relationship, same as any other HC that comes in.

quote:

Will Pharaoh return?

Pharoh is going to get drafted int he Top4 Rds, he gone, possibly Top 2 if he turns it on this last half of the season..

quote:

Memphis is playing with some seriously undervalued talent - no big stars, no 4 or 5 star recruits. Mostly 2 and 3 stars and a lot of walk ons that the staff has developed.
This staff obviously has a good eye for talent and knows how to coach-em up.


Sure, he found some quality 2 stars, but IMO, this is all coaching. Fuente is just getting his guys to perform at a higher level than most other teams in the country. His offense is outstanding, his defense is meh, but if he can bring in a top tier DC, then this could be a awesome for us.
This post was edited on 10/24/15 at 4:25 pm
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 10/24/15 at 5:31 pm to
quote:

Smart would be the least attractive to me if we were hiring a new coach.


Well, that makes sense because the needs at UGa are quite different than the needs at Carolina. I could coach at UGA and attract a top-15 class. However, lazy recruiting at Carolina is disastrous. UGA needs a productive head coach to maximize the talent on roster. USC needs a recruiter who can assemble a quality staff. This is why I'm more interested in Herman and Smart than Fuente, but only ever so slightly.

To me, if Herman is genuinely interested, he's the best fit, because he can also maximize talent a la Fuente, while being able to recruit and put together a staff a la Smart
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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39967 posts
Posted on 10/24/15 at 8:34 pm to
That makes sense. Smart is a proven recruiter. Fuente just looks like the next Urban Myer too me.
Posted by Mr.Sinister
South Carolina
Member since Dec 2012
4956 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 5:22 am to
quote:

Fuente just looks like the next Urban Myer too me


You mean he's going to come here win a few natty's before faking a heart attack and going big 10?

Tell him to sign the dotted line.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39967 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 8:02 am to
At this point, if he came to UGA and won some natty's he can kill 5 hookers and snort their ashes for all I care.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:57 pm to
Couple of quick weekend updates.

First ... Pharaoh is not a done deal for the NFL. He says he does not even want to talk about it right now, that he has to talk to his family and Coach Spurrier ... and then he might wait to see who we hire and talk to that coach as well, before he declares one way or the other.

As it was told to me, this may not be a great year for an underclass WR to come out in the draft - especially one that does not fit the mold for a NFL WR (tall) and one who gave-up his return duties this year.

Next, with regard to Fuente ... take this for what it is worth.

Fuente is a Nike guy. Our Under Armour contract was contingent on Spurrier to a large degree. Some conflict may be taking shape. There are some whispers coming out of our accounting offices that the Under Armour check has not arrived yet ... it's past due, (unless it arrived very recently). And there are rumblings that Nike has reached out, may be waiting to see what happens ... and that Under Armour is also waiting to see what happens AND, some are claiming Under Armour wants to throw major weight around in the Maryland coaching search and there may be further conflict that our search is going-on at the same time and perhaps involves one or two of the same candidates.

Meaning, part of the contracts that coaches find appealing are the apparel contracts ... and Under Armour might be playing a favoritism card with Maryland over SCAR in this coaching search, unwilling to pony-up for our coach, but stepping up to the plate for the Maryland hire.

Nike might think they can get in on another SEC program at a deal if they wait long enough ... and if it is Fuente he's gonna want Nike first chance he gets.

FWIW, Harmon is also a Nike guy at Houston ... so you can see where this is going.

Under Armour is playing a dangerous game considering they have Auburn, Notre Dame, South Carolina, Maryland, BC, Cincy, Texas Tech and Wisconsin ... and that's about it. Losing South Carolina would hurt them.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
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Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:37 pm to
Good stuff, Rooster.

How does a coach wind up as a Nike guy?
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 10/26/15 at 10:35 pm to
quote:

Good stuff, Rooster.

How does a coach wind up as a Nike guy?


I don't completely understand how it works these days ... it used to be only a big deal to the basketball coaches who wanted the Nike shoes for their players.

As I understand it, the contract is in addition to what the school pays, but still part of the package. Sometimes, a substantial part of the package.

The endorser, the product supplier, agrees to pay said coach X number of dollars, and the school or program X number of dollars ... and these days it is all a package deal.

With that said it is no secret that Dawn Staley wants the deal done with Nike. She is the only woman in history, that I know of, who has a Nike shoe named after her like Jordan does.

Martin wants Nike too.

I'm pretty sure Tanner wants Nike too from what I am hearing.

Posted by Foolish cock
South Cak
Member since Dec 2012
2529 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:46 am to
I dont doubt a word that you say, but if we somehow let under armor influence our coaching search we need to have some major soul searching at all levels of the the athletic department.


And i am almost getting to the point where i am going to be upset with just about anyone not named fuente.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 11:48 am
Posted by UpstateCock2007
Columbia, SC
Member since Mar 2009
7717 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:34 pm to
My one fear with Fuente is that he is not a "rah rah" guy. He is the best available at developing talent, however. If we hired him, we would need to spend some serious cash on a recruiting coordinator and a DC.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:01 pm to
quote:

I dont doubt a word that you say, but if we somehow let under armor influence our coaching search we need to have some major soul searching at all levels of the the athletic department.

And i am almost getting to the point where i am going to be upset with just about anyone not named fuente.


Oh, that's the point, we're in no way going to allow Under Armour's full support of our coaching hire influence us one way or the other.

To the contrary, it's more likely that they are about to step on their own peckers and we eventually end-up with Nike.

Nike, as explained, would be a win-win for us. Dawn Staley would love having Nike here especially.
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