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Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:20 pm to KingSlayer
Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:20 pm to KingSlayer
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Also while you can take the fact he's going to have 5 players drafted in 5 years, I can take that and say how can you have five draft picks on your line and not have a better line?
I think that goes back to what I wrote earlier in the thread. Elliott gets 1 or 2 great OL a cycle and then several developmental players. If we could find a way to get him 2 years of four+ mid/high 4*+ guys, I would be curious to see if/how they could dominate.
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:26 pm to scrooster
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Shawn Elliott blamed a lot of his issues, or rather his players' issues, on Joe Con ... and maybe he was right. We'll see what Dillman can do to get them ready in the weight room.
That's fair
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Guge, under Holtz, had a couple of Top Ten ranked OLine classes, one of them may have been Top Five.
I can't recall those classes. I know John Hunt had a couple really solid OL classes, but most of those players busted and his OL's were tuurrrrible.
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ETA: I don't know how many times our OLine was called for false starts at the worst times last year ... and that has got to stop.
I really don't think it was more than avg.
We were #16 in the country and #2 in the SEC last season for Fewest Penalties. We may have had some false starts, but I bet we had fewer than most SEC teams.
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/876
Posted on 4/26/16 at 8:45 pm to CockInYourEar
Dang ... seemed like a lot more. Maybe it's just that they happened at the worst time.
I honestly felt like it cost us a couple of games.
My memory escapes me at the moment, but the big kid at left tackle ... what's his name dangit. I'll think of it when I'm not trying so hard to remember.
I honestly felt like it cost us a couple of games.
My memory escapes me at the moment, but the big kid at left tackle ... what's his name dangit. I'll think of it when I'm not trying so hard to remember.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 9:13 pm to scrooster
Zandi?
Posted on 4/26/16 at 9:25 pm to UpstateCock2007
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Zandi?
Nah ... it was the black kid. Dangit it is driving me crazy.
I wanna say he started here as a DLineman.
Dangit - really tall kid. What the heck was his name.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 9:41 pm to scrooster
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Nah ... it was the black kid. Dangit it is driving me crazy.
I wanna say he started here as a DLineman.
Dangit - really tall kid. What the heck was his name.
Corey Robinson ? ... found this article on him ... https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/sports/college/usc/2014/12/25/uscs-corey-robinson-excels-move-offense/20893175/
he could put a string of false starts together at times
felt bad for him up at Pickens in 2014 where he had two bad whiffs on one play that almost got Dylan beheaded while sacked.
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:01 pm to 1801
That's who I was thinking ... but was he with us last year or is my mind skipping a season?
He was always with the false starts.
He was always with the false starts.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:12 pm to scrooster
I think Robinson finished in 2014, but I may be wrong. You're right though... King of false starts.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 9:54 pm to UpstateCock2007
Agreed. Robinson did not play last year. He was drafted, i think in 2014. He had some struggles but got a bunch of hype leading into 2014. To me, he is one of elliots best "coached up" prospects. Homeboy, supposedly was absolutely hopeless in physical endurance and mental softness when he got to school. Elliot made him a serviceable left tackle in the SEC. He had his moments good and bad, and i believe got drafted. Thats impressive considering how he showed up on campus. And i aint being a smart arse, i think thats impressive.
I mean shite, weren't drafniks talking him up to be a high pick going into 2014 season? Like 1st round high?
I mean shite, weren't drafniks talking him up to be a high pick going into 2014 season? Like 1st round high?
This post was edited on 4/27/16 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:08 pm to scrooster
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Perfect example was the 2013 Tennessee game. We needed 1 first down in the last 10 minutes of the game to win, and we couldn't run for a single first down. Not one. That's on the line.
+1 Ugggghhhhhgggh. I would have embarrassed myself during that game had i been in public. I wasnt , fortunately.
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I know this ... the age old saying that to compete in the SEC it all starts in the trenches is very true. We should absolute demand that our OLine and DLine are above average and perform up to standards ... and we can never pin it on the players. The finger has always got to be pointed at the coaches because they are the ones that recruit the players they want. It's up to them to develop the talent and put a good product on the field.
Preach the frick on, brother, Amen, hallelujah.
This post was edited on 4/27/16 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:08 pm to Foolish cock
did Elliott coach Jeriel King or was that Wolford? He was another DL turned OL who played well at times.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:16 pm to UpstateCock2007
Think elliot definitely coached j king. Dont think he recruited him though. Kid had some good moments but might have been an unsavory character. had some concusion issues his senior year or might have been drafter earlier, no?
This post was edited on 4/27/16 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 4/27/16 at 11:24 pm to UpstateCock2007
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Jeriel King
He was ... he was recruited out of James Island maybe, or somewhere on that side of Charleston, as a DLineman but they always intended to turn him into an offensive lineman.
He had discipline issues even in HS ... went to GMA before finally landing here.
I wanna say he had some kind of rare blood disorder as well - that was treated ... then he was drafted by the Seahawks and allegedly assaulted a woman or something if I remember correctly.
Shawn Elliott definitely did not recruit King. King came out of HS maybe ten or more years ago, had to go the GMA route and didn't make it to campus until maybe 2007 or 08 which was a couple of years before Elliott arrived. I'm not sure if Elliott ever even coached him or not? I think Elliott's first season here was 2011. The senior class he recruited just graduated.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 12:04 am to scrooster
Elliot's first year was 2010.
I don't remember the years for King's recruitment/enrollment because it was a saga but Elliot definitely coached him because a quick google search says he went drafted in 2011.
Also says he was acquitted of whatever charges led to the Seahawks cutting him
I don't remember the years for King's recruitment/enrollment because it was a saga but Elliot definitely coached him because a quick google search says he went drafted in 2011.
Also says he was acquitted of whatever charges led to the Seahawks cutting him
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 12:05 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:35 am to scrooster
Elliott isn't great, but he isn't bad.
He is alright. Out of any coach on the previous to keep, Elliott was probably the best choice.
He is alright. Out of any coach on the previous to keep, Elliott was probably the best choice.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:48 am to Cockopotamus
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Elliot's first year was 2010.
I don't remember the years for King's recruitment/enrollment because it was a saga but Elliot definitely coached him because a quick google search says he went drafted in 2011.
Also says he was acquitted of whatever charges led to the Seahawks cutting him
Correct, Elliott's first year coaching SC OL was 2010, King played that season, went undrafted in 2011, but was signed to a UDFA contract by NYG. He then signed a UDFA with SEA, but some girl accused him of sexual assault and SEA cut him. He was found not guilty.
So in reality, Elliott has helped 6 OL get to the NFL in 6 years (2011-2016, 6 drafts), (I believe Shell will be drafted this year.) We had 6 OL drafted from 1991 to 2010 (20 drafts)
Posted on 4/28/16 at 11:15 am to GetCocky11
Saw this out on the SECr from Dallasga6 .... LINK
If you really look at that ranking, the list basically, and look at who is above us and who is below us - it emphasizes the importance of having an above average OLine if you wanna have success in the SEC.
Of course, that list doesn't really mean anything in the overall scheme of thing - and I hope we over-achieve and have a great OLine this season ... we just might, who knows.
I've argued hard in Elliott's favor on the SECr in recent weeks. I think it was SummerOfGeorge that started one thread that got me thinking about it ... we need a good OLine.
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ESPN'S SEC post-spring position rankings: Offensive line...
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1...Bama
2...UGA
3...LSU
4...UT
5...Ark
6...AU
7...MSU
8...UF
9...SCe
10...Miss
11...aTm
12...UK
13...Vandy
14...Mizzou
If you really look at that ranking, the list basically, and look at who is above us and who is below us - it emphasizes the importance of having an above average OLine if you wanna have success in the SEC.
Of course, that list doesn't really mean anything in the overall scheme of thing - and I hope we over-achieve and have a great OLine this season ... we just might, who knows.
I've argued hard in Elliott's favor on the SECr in recent weeks. I think it was SummerOfGeorge that started one thread that got me thinking about it ... we need a good OLine.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 3:11 pm to scrooster
Elliot has done a good job developing lower ranked players. Rokevious Watkins, Corey Robinson and Mason Zandi, just to name a few, didn't come in very highly ranked and turned out to be serviceable SEC starters for us, with the first 2 getting drafted.
But it does seem like sometimes we aren't as physical as we need to be. Can't count how many 4th and 1s we've had over the past few years that we have struggled to get.
We've also seen flashes of really good lines from him too though. The UGA game 2014 when it was pouring in the 2nd half and they couldn't stop us was fantastic.
Others have mentioned it, but I'm interested to see our line with Dillman, and interested to see them in a new scheme. Spurrier's pass offense puts a lot of pressure on the O-line.
But it does seem like sometimes we aren't as physical as we need to be. Can't count how many 4th and 1s we've had over the past few years that we have struggled to get.
We've also seen flashes of really good lines from him too though. The UGA game 2014 when it was pouring in the 2nd half and they couldn't stop us was fantastic.
Others have mentioned it, but I'm interested to see our line with Dillman, and interested to see them in a new scheme. Spurrier's pass offense puts a lot of pressure on the O-line.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:34 am to 2014cock
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Elliot has done a good job developing lower ranked players. Rokevious Watkins, Corey Robinson and Mason Zandi, just to name a few, didn't come in very highly ranked and turned out to be serviceable SEC starters for us, with the first 2 getting drafted.
IF Elliott somehow develops Mason Zandi enough this year to get drafted next year, I think that will be a definitive testament to his ability. As you mentioned, Elliott has a track record of developing talent. IMO, if he can take a 1*/2* guy who really didn't have any other commitable D1 offers, and make that walk-on guy a NFL level talent...then his ability to scout talent and develop it will be cemented.
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