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re: 2016-17 Basketball Season Thread - WBB vs. MSU - W 67-55 - NATIONAL CHAMPS!!!

Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:13 pm to
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
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Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:13 pm to
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Silva and Kotsar do a nice job down there though so credit to them is needed as well.


It Kotsar that good in post defense/offense? Can't imagine a lengthy Euro FR is effective defending size in the post. Seems like offensively he had a solid stretch then fell off a cliff statistically.

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Silva absolutely gets in foul trouble every single game.


How does he normally pick up his fouls? Guards driving, post defense and/or random things?

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Midweek games do typically have lower attendance but this is an SEC game, there will probably be plenty of people there


Do you normally fill up all ~18k seats?

Posted by GameCocky88
Mount Pleasant, SC
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:33 pm to
Kotsar is inconsistent but I think with time can be a dangerous guy for us down there. He gets a lot of his points by pulling up mid range, has a much better jump shot than you'd think. Needs work on driving and again more consistency on defense. Honestly, as impressive as Sindarius is, if you watch the game there will be a handful of plays where Kotsar will absolutely make you say, "Damn this kid is going to be a good one." He got a steal vs Kentucky and almost ran the floor on em but then realized Thorwell had the better angle and made the smart/unselfish pass.

Silva gets his fouls a lot of ways but it comes down to one flaw, trying to do too much. If he gets beat straight up or shifts late in the zone, he's more likely to get a foul trying to make a late block than he is to play smart. If he can just get that single notion through his head, "I don't need to stop every ball from going in" and realize that getting a few of those every game and being there to score are more important he could be all SEC. Its a maturity/only having played basketball for a short while issue more than anything else.

While I won't sit here and lie and say we will be at capacity, I would feel safe in saying that the difference between the attendance that Auburn will see vs what they typically see in SEC road games will be noticeable.

EDIT: ESPN had a graphic recently showing that our Mens and womens teams 1) were the only school in NCAA to be undefeated in conference play and 2) have the highest average attendance. That being said I would assume that the differential between the # of ppl who watch our women play vs. who watches all the other women's teams probably has a lot to do with that, but still.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 3:40 pm
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
9121 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 5:47 pm to
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Hey USCe fans, I was hoping to get your thoughts/ideas about our upcoming matchup. I was hoping to throw some questions with specific Auburn related info underneath. Looking forward to your thoughts and the game

- How did USCe keep TAMU's Tyler Davis (or other similar types) from taking over the game?

Auburn's new FR C Austin Wiley (6'11 255lb) is extremely similar to Tyler Davis in game style and scoring rate (Wiley is improving too) . I noticed USCe doesn't have much past Kotsar maybe Silva to repel that size. What did ya'll do to hold Davis under season avg?


Davis is Texas A&M's leading scorer and rebounder at 13.4 ppg and 6.9 rpg. Davis didn't dominate in the game, but he didn't necessarily have a bad game shooting-wise. He just didn't take many shots: he was 4-8 for 10 pts and 5 boards. So for some reason he wasn't made a big factor of the game, for whatever reason. The Gamecocks forced Texas A&M into 25 turnovers for the game, with many of them attempts by Aggie guards to drive into the lane, draw defenders, and drop-pass off to Davis. USC's length of reach and defenders following the drivers closely allowed us to pick a ton of those off. Then towards the end of the game Hogg became unconscious from outside, and he seemed to become the go-to guy for them.

Silva played 31 minutes for us, and only picked up 2 fouls. Scored 15 pts and 6 rebounds, and was a big reason why we won the game. Could it have been a bad game-plan by the Aggie coaches: had they forced the issue to Davis more, which would then force Silva to play more defense, perhaps Chris would have picked up more fouls throughout the game and been a non-factor. Too late now....

Wiley is averaging 8.6 ppg (4th in scoring on the team) and 4.7 rpg (3rd in rebounding). It's not quite like Davis....


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-What is USCe doing to be #2 nationally in defensive 3PT%?

Auburn is around ~#100 in % of points from 3FG. What does USCe do to hold trigger happy teams like AUburn from hitting their 3PTers?


USC is very long at the guard position: 6-6 Dozier, 6-5 Thornwell, 6-2 Notice as starters. Coach Martin's staff places premium on defense, and recruits athletic, defensive-minded players. He coaches them to play an in-your-face style of defense. In the past, past teams have struggled to move and embrace the concept for various reasons: too young, too slow, too lazy or out of shape. This season's team is perhaps Coach Martin's deepest in terms of well-conditioned athletes who play solid to great defense. Dozier has leaped forward by miles in this regard: IMO he's improved defensively more than offensively this season. Sometimes perimeter shooters will still go off on us (see TAMU's Hogg) but in those cases it's typically going unconscious with hands in the face. We'll still be there....


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- USCe is amongst the leaders in fouls committed, Auburn is amongst the leaders in drawing fouls, how do you deal with foul trouble?

It appears Silva and sometimes Dozier have issues with fouling. Considering they + Thornwell are effectively your offense, how do ya'll cope if they are in foul trouble?


The fouls are concerning: it's a by-product of Coach Martin's hectic team defense, and players not quite "getting it", or being lazy in how they prepare. By the nature of the defensive scheme, we will most likely always be a high-fouling team under Martin. But as long as the team understands the philosophies and the staff keeps it deep on the bench, then Coach Martin will keep rotating the entire team in and try to survive it.

Silva just fouls too much. He's a tremendous athletic talent that also has quality basketball skills, but he is a bit too physical in his defense: he has the position under the basket on an opposing player with the ball, but often nudges and pushes forward with his body - I think more unconsciously then anything - when all he needs to do is hold his ground and wait for the player to take his shot. Silva can leap through the building and is a quality shot-blocker, but when he's all over the top of opposing bigs, and then tries to defend that player's shot attempt, there's always body contact and he gets called a lot for it. He also will often reach into players when he gets beat for rebounds or loose balls, and pick up fouls that way. Mostly a lot of foolish, unnecessary fouls when he wasn't going to win the battle anyways.

Silva reminds me a lot of Michael Carrera: in Carrera's first 2 seasons he also was a very athletic player who bounced all over the place, but picked up a ton of fouls. He spent half his career on the bench in foul trouble. Coach Martin finally moved him to a better fitting position on the floor, and he became the team's leading scorer and rebounder by his senior season (last season).

Silva doesn't have the game to be moved to the perimeter like Carrera was, but I'm hoping that he matures like Carrera did with the physicality while defending, because he has the ability to be a major player for us as long as he can stay on the floor in games....


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For a midweek game against a team with little respect like Auburn, what is the expected crowd attendance by rough % filled?

How much does the crowd have an effect on the game @ USCe? Is the crowd for Auburn expected to be big?


I expect the crowd to be around the ~15K average we've had for the 3 home SEC games we've already had, at the minimum. That's 83% of CLA's 18K capacity.....


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Generally, what have teams done to be successful vs USCe? What gets shutdown by USCe in terms of play style/tendencies?




We're still young and inexperienced in the post - Silva our only big older than freshman, and it shows often in games. Kotsar's production has fallen a bit since SEC play began, but that's also expected: he's young and a bit under-developed physically to bang constantly with the bigs, and the SEC is a physical conference. So if an opponent has a lot of talented bigs that can take over a game, IMO that could be a problem team for us. If a team is guard-oriented or smaller, IMO we can handle those much better.

We've had a tendency in the past to get burned by perimeter players who go off on a hot-streak. Overall however that doesn't translate into bad guard play defensively on our part, it's just we can't hold one particular player down for one reason. Mostly though how badly we've played in the past two years have as much if not more to do with our team coming out slow and lackluster, playing sloppy defense or without energy, and racking up fouls early which put key players on the bench. We've been our worst enemy in recent games, IMO....

We rarely play that on our home floor, however: USC is 27-4 in Colonial Life Arena over the past 2 seasons...


Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:40 pm to
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Wiley is averaging 8.6 ppg (4th in scoring on the team) and 4.7 rpg (3rd in rebounding). It's not quite like Davis..


Their scoring per minute played is roughly about the same (.55v.52 or so). Can't do a PPG comparison because Wiley's minutes were limited in his first ~3-4 games, understandable given he had <5practices under his belt come January 1st



Should be a fun game, Auburn is ridiculously athletic and talented but we are prone to being dumb AF

Going to be interesting as to how well USCe can take advantage of our youth/inexperience

I hope you win the rest of your regular season games, just not this one
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 10:11 pm
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25849 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 4:20 pm to
The UK game was as rough as expected. But we're okay. Not to be disrespectful to AU but this should be a 2-0 week for us and a solid chance to rebound from that beating.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 4:44 pm to
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Not to be disrespectful to AU but this should be a 2-0 week for us


One team is top 25 playing at home, the other is not. Not disrespectful to AU at all

Auburn has been incredibly inconsistent, but I would describe us somewhat similar to Kentucky's '12-13 NIT team. The talent is there to look really good, the youth/morons are there to look really really ugly too. You never know what you are going to get
Posted by CayceCock13
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:26 pm to
Solid win, extremely fun to watch. UK also lost tonight so all we need is them to lose again & we win out. Doesn't sound so bad does it?
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25849 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:50 am to
Technically we can both win out and still be SEC co-champs
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:21 am to
Good game, sucks that our players decided to play garbage ball instead of team ball. Frank Martin's slap of team play hpoefully showed AU's FR that playing together works

Good luck with the rest of the season
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
95870 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 1:21 pm to
Give Pearl time. Took us a few years too. Auburn will be in good shape soon. Especially with all of those young players.
Posted by big6ben9
Member since Nov 2012
320 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 3:48 pm to
Does anybody have a bad feeling about this game? Everybody is saying that Mizzou is going to be a push over but after what happened last year I don't know. Also the spread has gone down which may be an indicator of possible trouble for us.
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
95870 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 3:59 pm to
We're gamecock fans. We're cursed with pessimism for good reason.

I've felt the same way. Missouri is outstandingly bad though.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25849 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 4:30 pm to
Ranked teams have struggled today too.
Posted by CarolinaGamecock99
Member since Apr 2015
21856 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 6:28 pm to
I have Missouri beating us. God I hope I'm so wrong but I have that feeling.

I really don't want to deal with the Missouri trolls if that happens
Posted by big6ben9
Member since Nov 2012
320 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 8:33 pm to
They are probably on here because they are definitely not at the game. I'd be surprised if that place has 2500 people there tonight.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37574 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:09 pm to
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We're gamecock fans. We're cursed with pessimism for good reason.

I've felt the same way. Missouri is outstandingly bad though.


The reason I'm worried about this game is because of the Mike Morgan jinx. He's a fricktard who we fired for cause and everytime he calls one of our games we're in danger of losing. He brings bad karma to our games and he loves to toss out little jabs and negatives at us .... the Mike Morgan jinx is real.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25849 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:21 pm to
Well, I guess if there was any one game to play like crap, this would be the one.
Posted by 1801
Charleston
Member since Aug 2012
6291 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:51 am to
after this week's 88-63 beatdown of LSU in Baton Rouge, Frank Martin is 12 games away from win #100 at Carolina. (edit - gave him 10 more wins at 98 in my head instead of 88 actual )

Martin sits behind George Felton in 4th place for all-time win % at USC (coaches who had more than 1 season)

.673 Branch Bocock (3 seasons)
.667 Frank McGuire (16 seasons)
.584 George Felton (5 seasons)
.571 Frank Martin (4+seasons)
.552 Dave Odom (7 seasons)
.538 Bill Foster (6 seasons)
.513 Eddie Fogler (8 seasons)

2015-16 was clearly a breakthrough year for Martin at Carolina, tying the school record for wins in a season. only Kentucky (45-13) has a better overall record than the Gamecocks (43-13) among SEC schools since then.
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 3:15 pm
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:08 am to
Though I expect a tougher second half of the SEC slate, I'd really like to see another shot at Kentucky in Nashville with a healthy Dozier and Sin.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25849 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:46 am to
What is he on the all time wins list? Like 6 or 7?
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