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re: ILBs in coverage

Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:25 am to
Posted by samson'sseed
Augusta
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:25 am to
Georgia's only hope for pass defense is to blitz like crazy on every play while learning to quickly read screen passes meant to counter this strategy.

They've got nobody who can cover receivers.
Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:26 am to
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blitz like crazy on every play


No.

Blitz every play and we will get burnt.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 8:27 am
Posted by Leghumper
Lawrenceville, Georgia
Member since Dec 2003
2330 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:56 am to
quote:

Georgia's only hope for pass defense is to blitz like crazy on every play while learning to quickly read screen passes meant to counter this strategy.

They've got nobody who can cover receivers.


this, with zone blitzes mixed in..sure we give up 14-17 points at first, but after that QB is planted in the ground enough to cause the opposing offense to max protect, things change. Anybody notice how bad UT's backup QB looked?

pretty sure our 4 DB's can cover in this setup, ok, might be dreaming here, but they can take advantage of a QB mis-throw or 2.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12413 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 9:34 am to
Does anyone here besides Crispy have a fricking clue about real tackle football?

Some of the responses on this thread are comical. If y'all want to talk X's and Os , please make an effort to actually understand the subject matter.
Posted by Chili Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
730 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 9:41 am to
How would you solve the problem? If I'm an OC game planning against UGA that's exactly the matchup I'm gonna exploit.
Posted by Peter Buck
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12413 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 9:47 am to
It's a tough throw if the LB stays in his hip pocket. If the qb can make the throw, you have to disrupt the passing lane at the los and disguise coverages.
Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
2021 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 9:52 am to
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Does anyone here besides Crispy have a fricking clue about real tackle football?

Some of the responses on this thread are comical. If y'all want to talk X's and Os , please make an effort to actually understand the subject matter


Surely you aren't talking to me......
Posted by crispyUGA
Upstate SC
Member since Feb 2011
15919 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 9:58 am to
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How would you solve the problem? If I'm an OC game planning against UGA that's exactly the matchup I'm gonna exploit.


You have to mix your coverages up. Want to keep the offense the offense honest? Then you disguise your D and drop into a cover 3, taking away the seam/post route. Every single defensive scheme has a weakness that offenses can exploit. The same can be said for offensive schemes. It's a chess match, really.If you run cover 2 all game, they'll hit you with the deep passes down the middle. If you run cover 3 all game, they'll throw underneath. If you man-up and run zero coverage, they can kill you with hitch-and-go's, out routes, or just a simple go with a guy who is faster than your CB. The way to combat it is to switch up your coverage; you'll have plays where the Offense has the perfect play call against your D, you just have to hope your athletes can make plays. There isn't a magical fix that guarantees a TFL, sack, or interception on every play of the game.


Honestly, our LBs were in decent position on most every play that has been highlighted in this thread. Sometimes a QB just makes a perfect throw and there's not much you can do. As I said earlier, MOST inside backers will always be at a disadvantage in man-coverage...it's not what they're used to doing.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39966 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:06 am to
If there is a younger lb who's better at pass coverage that would be a start on obvious passing downs.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12413 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:06 am to
LINK


This guy does a pretty nice job explaining C2 Man under. Make sure to pay close attention to it around the 4 minute mark when he talks about a trail or hip pocket technique that I see us running. Not just with LBs.
Posted by Chris_topher
Member since Sep 2012
7674 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:18 am to
I'm sure they're coached properly but the LBs play stiff

Dawgs have fullbacks playing linebacker
Posted by crispyUGA
Upstate SC
Member since Feb 2011
15919 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:21 am to
We recruited thumpers at ILB under Grantham, not guys who are going to excel at man coverage. So, yes, you're right. They're both good at what they do, but they'll never be great in coverage.
Posted by Leghumper
Lawrenceville, Georgia
Member since Dec 2003
2330 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:35 am to
so all you geniuses don't think we should hit the QB as often as possible?..you make it sound like all the opposing offense are fantastic and world beaters of the highest order...we haven't seen a decent offense yet.

nice to discuss theory but the reality is we can't cover anyone with our secondary and our ILB are horrible at coverage as well..but they are really great at slobberknocking folks, so why not have them do that a lot more often.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39966 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:40 am to
No, I want to blitz on most passing downs but I don't want an all out blitz.
Posted by GeorgiaBoy
Member since Sep 2013
1982 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:40 am to
Play man to man and bring pressure. You may get burned occasionally but I bet you give up less points this way. Plus, what's the difference in a 70 yd TD pass or a 10 play, 80 yd TD drive? They're both 6 points but one burns clock and wears your D out.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12413 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:49 am to
And understand that his job is to force a perfect throw or better yet a high throw to allow the S to make a play on the ball.
Posted by crispyUGA
Upstate SC
Member since Feb 2011
15919 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:54 am to
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so all you geniuses don't think we should hit the QB as often as possible?


You bring pressure in 2nd- and 3rd-and-long situations, when the offense is likely going to pass. If you blitz the QB on a play when they're running, you're looking at a potential cluster frick.
Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
2021 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:56 am to

I've seen the hip pocket technique with OLB's on the slant.
Posted by Leghumper
Lawrenceville, Georgia
Member since Dec 2003
2330 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:38 am to
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If you blitz the QB on a play when they're running, you're looking at a potential cluster frick.


like we've seen over and over and over since the Martinez days and Shockley was our QB.

we don't have the personnel.

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