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re: Frank Wren on the way out***OFFICIALLY***
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:07 am to tylerdurden24
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:07 am to tylerdurden24
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Which should have been the first red flag, given that our farm system used to be one of our biggest strengths
Bingo. Goes back to scouting again. We're nowhere near up to par in that department.
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:12 am to RedPants
DO you think it's complacency and GOBN or have we just been pilfered of our best talent?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:15 am to Damn Good Dawg
Short answer IMO is a little bit of both
Posted on 9/22/14 at 12:18 pm to Damn Good Dawg
GOBN is a big part of why they got complacent. Instead of constantly striving to get get better, they started patting themselves on the back for all those divisional titles. They let a lot of the good talent go in stupid trades, then never properly developed the studs they were supposed to have. Heyward, Francouer, Schaefer, all guys who were projected to be franchise cornerstones that never properly developed. Heyward is the best of that bunch, but he's never going to be the superstar that his talent should have made him.
This is a step in the right direction, I just hope Schuerholz and Bobby don't drown out the most intelligent voice in the room in John Hart.
This is a step in the right direction, I just hope Schuerholz and Bobby don't drown out the most intelligent voice in the room in John Hart.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 12:41 pm to RedPants
Biggest elephants in the room are BJ and Simmons assuming Freddi is gone.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 12:44 pm to Kimsey
Simmons is fine. his defense makes up for his lack of offensive production
BJ and Chris need to gtfo though
BJ and Chris need to gtfo though
Posted on 9/22/14 at 12:48 pm to Kimsey
Simmons is not the issue. Do you watch baseball?
He's one of the best defensive SS in the game
He's one of the best defensive SS in the game
Posted on 9/22/14 at 12:52 pm to RedPants
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then never properly developed the studs they were supposed to have. Heyward, Francouer, Schaefer, all guys who were projected to be franchise cornerstones that never properly developed. Heyward is the best of that bunch, but he's never going to be the superstar that his talent should have made him.
So who gets "credit" for Simmons,Freddy Freeman,Minor,Kimbrel,Gattis,Wood etc?
Did they develop them "properly" and the others
not "properly"
Francour and Heyward put solid numbers when they 1st came up...especially Francouer.Sorry,don't blame the Braves one bit for his downfall. He never could make the proper adjustments once MLB pitchers got the book on 'em.Do you really blame the Braves for Heywards lack of production? Sorry,
I believe it falls on him especially his lack of productivity vs lefties.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 12:59 pm to DawgCountry
Yeah Andruw Jones was the best defensive CF in the game but that meant little with career lows in hitting, just saying.
I'm willing to wait on Simmons but not too long.
I'm willing to wait on Simmons but not too long.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:01 pm to RD Dawg
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So who gets "credit" for Simmons,Freddy Freeman,Minor,Kimbrel,Gattis,Wood etc?
Simmons couldn't hit a beach ball, defensive skill is natural ability and instincts.
Freeman is a good player who is becoming too free-swinging. His numbers will steadily decline if he doesn't fix it, just like Frenchy's did.
Minor, Kimbrel, and Wood are pitchers, Braves have always developed them well. They have great coaching in place when it comes to pitching.
Gattis is also a one trick power pony who left the game to be a nomad, then come back and mashes. That's not coaching, that's again just having natural taken in the power department.
Remember when Heyward first came up? He was so patient at the plate and waited for his pitch, then crushed it when it came. Bobby Cox walked up to him after a game and said they needed more production out of him, and if he wanted to put up those numbers, he needed to swing the bat more. After that, Heyward has never been the same. He strikes out all the time and became a hacker just like Francouer. I blame Bobby for turning both of them into undisciplined hackers.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:14 pm to RedPants
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I blame Bobby for turning both of them into undisciplined hackers.
Huh?Good lord,I was never a huge Bobby Cox fan but to blame him for those players decline is freakin absurd...especially when he hasn't coached Heyward in 3 YEARS.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:17 pm to RD Dawg
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especially when he hasn't coached Heyward in 3 YEARS.
And notice Heyward has started to improve a bit......
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:26 pm to RedPants
Holy Mother of God, no point in carrying this on.
I didn't think you could top yourself from the previous post but I think you just did.
Please, don't respond.
I didn't think you could top yourself from the previous post but I think you just did.
Please, don't respond.
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