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re: The JD era at UF needs to end, now.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:12 pm to olemc999
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:12 pm to olemc999
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Something I would like to see for the Tennessee game is this. Treon getting a series or 2 in the game to see what happens, and not running the wildcat, running the offense.
This is what will happen
1. Treon will come in and do poorly and that leaves no doubt in the fans minds that JD is the best we got and were not relying o practice reports and were judging off of actual gametime.
Or...
2. Treon will out perform JD and eventually become the starter.
Dual systems always seem to do terribly but like I said: Driskel produced the entire offensive productivity for the game yesterday. He's shown flashes of greatness but seems to decline when he has a few dropped balls or just doesn't get the help from the rest of the filed.
I say we play Treon, but let's not pretend like Driskel has had adequate support from the cast around him.
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Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:37 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Dual systems always seem to do terribly
Meh, thats what Roper did at Duke lat year. I am now legitimately concerned about Driskel. I rewatched the game. The oline gave him plenty of protection time yesterday and he never threw it to guys that were wide open in the middle of the field.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:42 pm to olemc999
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Meh, thats what Roper did at Duke lat year. I am now legitimately concerned about Driskel. I rewatched the game. The oline gave him plenty of protection time yesterday and he never threw it to guys that were wide open in the middle of the field.
I think we've already determined that the offense has been simplified to some degree. The throw is dictated before the snap, his first read is the one he's to go to.
Whether or not that's because he's incapable of making reads (which we've seen him do in the past) is up for discussion, but I think a lot of this is a coaching decision.
He didn't hold onto the ball at all the first few games, and in this one he did it quite a bit -- to have his running back fumble it without contact on a clean handoff.
I think the coaches have to put more confidence in him, but I think he has to know the offense for more than 3 games.
After six games, if he's still struggling in the offense -- by all means. Pitchforks and torches get 'im.
But the dude's had three coordinators, three different offenses and a pretty goddamn hard schedule when he has played. Bama at home has lost 3 times in something like 6 or 7 years.
We can't expect him to go in there guns blazing in a new offense with receivers who couldn't catch Ebola in Africa in an orgy.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:49 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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. The throw is dictated before the snap, his first read is the one he's to go to.
If this is really our passing philosophy we are not going to win any games that mean anything. Doesn't matter who the QB is.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:58 pm to boXerrumble
Memo to everyone: please refrain from airing out on the rant how bad our coaching or players are...why go there? If you must...please post your pent up frustrations here on the Gator board.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:59 pm to reel_gator8
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.why go there?
Its nice to get some outsider perspective.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 4:10 pm to olemc999
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If this is really our passing philosophy we are not going to win any games that mean anything. Doesn't matter who the QB is.
Totally true, and I think our coaches have got to stop protecting him and let him play as he wants to. He wants to run it more, he got to, but we have to keep it up. Similarly, if he wants to throw more comfortable passes, let him throw them.
Definitely have to tell him not to throw it so hard -- Drew Brees doesn't and he seems to do fantastic. He just sort of lofts it but he's super accurate.
Driskel is a headcase right now, though, that's for certain.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 4:12 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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think the coaches have to put more confidence in him, but I think he has to know the offense for more than 3 games.
Come on man he's a junior with enough playing time to be way beyond where he is now. He runs the play that's called and nothing more. His mental capacity to adjust to what the defense gives him is very suspect. I seriously doubt at this point in his career he will advance to any more than what we have seen so far. If Roper sticks with him then we drop games to USCe and UGA and Boom is gone.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 4:18 pm to bengalbait
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If Roper sticks with him then we drop games to USCe and UGA and Boom is gone.
Would not be surprised if he was fired on Monday already, honestly.
Again though: Driskel hasn't been the reason we've lost or almost lost these last few games.
Our defense is awful. It's just plain bad, the worst we've had in a long time.
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Come on man he's a junior with enough playing time to be way beyond where he is now.
He broke his leg last year and played two and a half games, in the past two years he's had five games total and didn't play all the way through his first year.
Kid has barely played while having a bunch of years, but he's clearly athletic enough and with a bit of experience he'll be what we need.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 4:21 pm to bengalbait
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bengalbai
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If Roper sticks with him then we drop games to USCe and UGA and Boom is gone.
Wrong. I feel strongly that we win our remaining SEC games in the Swamp...but that leaves UT, Vandy and UGA. We have to beat UT and then its UF-UGA battle...but UGA may have several Ls in SEC play by then...as will USC. It will war by attrition
Posted on 9/21/14 at 4:22 pm to reel_gator8
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Wrong. I feel strongly that we win our remaining SEC games in the Swamp...but that leaves UT, Vandy and UGA. We have to beat UT and then its UF-UGA battle...but UGA may have several Ls in SEC play by then...as will USC. It will war by attrition
I also think we'll win against one of those two teams, and I also think Kentucky will as well.
It sucks but those boys finally have a team.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 4:29 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Mark my words if JD is the QB against USCe and UGA we will not prevail and Boom will be gone. The test will be against UT in two weeks, if we go out with Driskel and it is status quo then Foley needs to pull the triger and fire Muschamp and move on.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 4:34 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Our defense is awful. It's just plain bad, the worst we've had in a long time.
2007 was the worst defense period, by far and its not even a discussion.
Just the safeties and a lack of pass rush. The safeties are terrible and thats the unit Muschamp coaches on defense, the safeties. Our run defense has been pretty good. Outside of Fowler we can not generate a pass rush. Cant believe we didnt throw any blitzes at Sims and played a soft zone when our front 4 couldn't even get close to Sims. The biggest failure of this game was not letting VH3 cover Cooper on every single down and that is all on coaching. I sometimes think coaches out think themselves and call plays that will make them look like geniuses if that certain play works. For instance if I was Durkin I would of just told VH3 this "Your on Cooper the entire game, your mission in life is to make the next 60 minutes a living hell for that guy" and just let him roll with it. Any ways the defense gave the offense 4 turnovers, not to mention a shanked punt that gave the offense great field position. Any decent offensive production and we win this game. I cant blame the defense 100% for all the yards giving up. When the offense continues to be a 3 and out machine, they are going to get gassed and then miss their tackles.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 7:14 pm to olemc999
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2007 was the worst defense period, by far and its not even a discussion
Do you know WHY our defense was so bad in 2007? We won the BCSCG the year before with a senior laden defense recruited by Zook...in 2007 we TWO starters return (one was Tony Joiner?)...that's it. We took our lumps, lost to AU at home, UGA (the celebration in the end zone after dominating them for a while)etc etc
To Charlie Strongs credit the next year in 2008 he transformed the defense into a great unit..with Spikes, Doe etc etc
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Cant believe we didnt throw any blitzes at Sims
Ok....maybe you want to let them pound the ball on us instead? Good offenses will burn you with blitzs. Our gameplan was to limit rushing the ball period...which I agree with....but Sims played like Dan Marino and hurt us. Boom has more knowledge about defenses under his little fingernail than most folks have in their whole brain. What happen was simple...they executed and even when VH3 was tightly covering Cooper he made catches....the best play was when Cooper was called for offensive interference and we had Bama at 3rd and 23 tied game....what do they do? Screen to Henry (#27) for about 25 yds down inside our 10 yd line. Henry executed...broke a lot of tackles...he is a hoss. There was no lack of effort from our guys.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 7:17 pm to reel_gator8
I still can't believe Muschamp wasn't prepared for a screen on 3rd and 23. Makes me sick to think about it.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 8:07 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I cant believe that even after going 9-28 with numerous terrible passes and showing repeatedly that he stares receivers down, can't read coverage, can't throw the deep ball, throws into double coverage we find a way to still say Driskel is the answer. If D Rob did not step up and play lights out Driskel doesn't do anything against Kentucky period. The majority of Driskels ground yds came off QB scrambles not designed runs. Look at how he did on the zone read plays is there any reason to believe based on what he showed at Bama that he can make the right decision after rewatching the game he was wrong about 50% of the time. Yes there were drops but even with those catches he goes 11-28 for 110 yds.
Did you see that the only time we made it past the 50 yard line was after we started there after a turnover. The offense didn't make it past the 50 for crying out loud.
Did you see that the only time we made it past the 50 yard line was after we started there after a turnover. The offense didn't make it past the 50 for crying out loud.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 8:22 pm to reel_gator8
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Do you know WHY our defense was so bad in 2007?
No depth, too young and bad coaching.
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Ok....maybe you want to let them pound the ball on us instead?
I would of liked to have kept them from throwing for over 300 yards in the first half. Bama didnt need to run the ball when we where giving them favorable matchups in the passing game all day.
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Good offenses will burn you with blitzs.
Good defensive coordinators know when its the perfect time to blitz.
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Screen to Henry (#27) for about 25 yds down inside our 10 yd line.
Everybody in the stadium knows that Bama is in love with the screen game. I still cant believe they didnt see that coming.
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There was no lack of effort from our guys.
You must of not watched the 4th quarter.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 11:13 pm to olemc999
Maybe folks didn't see that Henry broke tackles and we were in position a lot of times to make tackles and you have to tip your cap sometimes to the other guy. Sims was almost sacked several times but he was like a greased up snake..it happens.
Since it is only the third game of the season I am not hitting panic button...we join USC & UGA with 1 SEC loss and Mizzou lost at home to Indiana. A lot of football left. Trust me if we lose too many games I will help show someone the door. UT is crucial and it wont be easy as they have a decent qb who is accurate and Marquez North as a WR. Depth overall but especially the OL/DL will be their test.
Since it is only the third game of the season I am not hitting panic button...we join USC & UGA with 1 SEC loss and Mizzou lost at home to Indiana. A lot of football left. Trust me if we lose too many games I will help show someone the door. UT is crucial and it wont be easy as they have a decent qb who is accurate and Marquez North as a WR. Depth overall but especially the OL/DL will be their test.
This post was edited on 9/21/14 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 12:14 am to bengalbait
quote:And we're going to beat those teams with a true freshman instead?
Mark my words if JD is the QB against USCe and UGA we will not prevail and Boom will be gone.
Driskel is a problem. The defense is a bigger problem. Muschamp's done after this season regardless of who is QB.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 2:00 am to GatorsGators
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And we're going to beat those teams with a true freshman instead?
Driskel is a problem. The defense is a bigger problem. Muschamp's done after this season regardless of who is QB.
This. I like Driskel, and think he'll be fine as time progresses but no matter whose at the helm (barring Manziel) we're not going to be able to stop anything.
Our defense gave up the most yards.
Ever.
In program's history.
Muschamp is shaping up to be one of the worst coaches we've ever had -- his one gleaming stone being that he made it to the Sugar Bowl to get totally outcoached and beaten by inferior talent.
Driskel can be fixed, our coaches can't.
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