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re: Poll Question: Georgia Secession?............................
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:32 pm to SquatchDawg
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:32 pm to SquatchDawg
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If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks…will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered…. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. – Thomas Jefferson in the debate over the Re-charter of the Bank Bill (1809)
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Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.” Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.
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“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and money system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company
Very good quotes all...and as good a way to make my point as any..You will note that all of these require some action...or lack thereof...on the part of the citizens of this nation. Not one of them suggests that the Federal Government can or would do any of these things without some sort of action or lack of action on the part of the people.
You can't blame politicians....we all know what a politician is, and it ain't a statesman. The blame for our myriad of problems lies at the feet of the citizenry.....
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Posted on 9/21/14 at 4:56 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 9/21/14 at 4:58 pm to Jefferson Dawg
On whether Georgia should Secede from the Union? Give me a time from Tuesday on. Logic is on my side.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 5:43 pm to germandawg
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Now I know ya'll like the warm blanket of victim-hood
What the frick are you even talking about?
Serious question: What do you do for a living?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 4:47 am to Chili Dawg
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Now I know ya'll like the warm blanket of victim-hood
What the frick are you even talking about?
Serious question: What do you do for a living?
I am talking about the need of people in the United States to be a victim. I know most of you will agree that poor people and the "parasites" all like to claim they are victims of various societal ills.....but they are not alone in this....this is a universal human need...and the "producer" class is no different. "Producers" are the victim of the "parasites". They are the victims of the Government. Being a victim of someone is comforting because it means your short comings aint your fault.
What do I do for a living? I sold a small business in 2007 which enabled me to move to Europe where I do some project management and consulting. I operated a small business for 14 years (profitably and sold for a profit) so I know a lot...and I mean a lot....of people who consider themselves job creators when in fact the only job they have created is their own. Not a small thing but certainly not as important to the overall scheme of things as they like to think.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:48 am to Jefferson Dawg
Why do you hate America?
Without the rest of the U.S., Georgia would have nothing. The state would be less than El Salvador.
Without the rest of the U.S., Georgia would have nothing. The state would be less than El Salvador.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:52 am to samson'sseed
Oh and another thing.
I'm willing to go out on a limb without looking it up and guess that Georgia takes far more in federal revenue than it gives back.
I'm willing to go out on a limb without looking it up and guess that Georgia takes far more in federal revenue than it gives back.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:42 am to germandawg
This is old ground between you and I Gdawg.
You revel in the fed as well as goveberment in general and think all things not only in the US but the world spring from it.
I am the polar opposite and believe in a minimal fed with the decision making and freedom in the hands of individuals and the private sector.
The dims have been very successful with buying the minorities through fed subs and endorsed illegal entry into the country through spending and risking the money and livelihoods of the dwindling number of people in this country that actually do work and float this sinking boat.
And when those "angry, white men" as you put it are no more, then...............
And please don't go "shrug, Atlas, shrug", you overuse the phrase to no effect. It needs to be shelved.
You revel in the fed as well as goveberment in general and think all things not only in the US but the world spring from it.
I am the polar opposite and believe in a minimal fed with the decision making and freedom in the hands of individuals and the private sector.
The dims have been very successful with buying the minorities through fed subs and endorsed illegal entry into the country through spending and risking the money and livelihoods of the dwindling number of people in this country that actually do work and float this sinking boat.
And when those "angry, white men" as you put it are no more, then...............
And please don't go "shrug, Atlas, shrug", you overuse the phrase to no effect. It needs to be shelved.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:47 am to samson'sseed
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Oh and another thing.
I'm willing to go out on a limb without looking it up and guess that Georgia takes far more in federal revenue than it gives back.
It varies from year to year but Georgia usually gets exactly $1 back from Washington for every $ it sends to Washington. Texas gets about &.99 for every $ so they actually contribute some. These are the only two red states which are not net takers.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:06 am to WhopperDawg
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This is old ground between you and I Gdawg.
You revel in the fed as well as goveberment in general and think all things not only in the US but the world spring from it.
I think all things spring from the efforts of the American people....including the US Federal Government. Some of you seem to think that the Federal Government is some sort of separate entity when in fact we are simply too lazy and complacent to to shape the country in the image that we would prefer. Before you claim that it wouldn't do any good remember that you are making the claim that the "Dims" are simply better at the game than the GOP and liberals are willing to do what is necessary to make the country theirs and theirs alone. That is your claim, not mine.
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I am the polar opposite and believe in a minimal fed with the decision making and freedom in the hands of individuals and the private sector.
I agree 100%...the difference, my friend, is that I realize that decision making and freedom are in the hands of individuals....the majority of those individuals simply can't be bothered to take the time out of their busy schedule of watching "Dancing With The Stars" and "American Idol" to get involved with such mundane things as their kids future. Again, your side has had the same amount of time to that the "Dims" have had yet according to you they have failed. That is on your side, my friend. Demand more from your side and perhaps you can effect change....
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And when those "angry, white men" as you put it are no more, then...............
There will be plenty of brown, black and yellow people willing to step in and replace them....there is nothing at all special about angry white men or brown, black and yellow people. There is a demand for the products and services that angry white men currently provide. That demand is not going to disappear when their numbers are lower. This is the fallacy in the entire love affair with "Atlas Shrugged"...it is the height of self centered narcissism to think mankind will suffer in any manner without the effort of any individual.
Now of course some of you will now argue that many individuals have made a difference and you would be right but you can't name a single one who has who "Shrugged" before they did so...and as such only they know the difference they have made. Mental institutions used to be chock-a-bock full of people who felt this way....now they are mostly homeless people sleeping in doorways....
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:56 am to germandawg
Most of the problems with secession could be resolved by proper planning and acceptance of the additional hardship that will potentially come about for most citizens at first, but the biggest problem that I see would be dealing with the hundreds of thousands if not millions of people utilizing Federal welfare programs who will suddenly be in the lurch.
Either the state (country?) would need to take on that burden or deal with the economic and social impacts of all of those people forced to look for jobs or go hungry/homeless all at the same time. In the long-run, it could be better by not reproducing the nanny-state the Fed has created, but in the short-term, there could be a lot of protests and riots, and crime will most certainly skyrocket. Those not as impacted by the cuts in welfare benefits would need to stock up on guns and ammo.
A possible solution would be to work out a deal with the US to accept any "welfare refugees" who choose to leave the state/country of Georgia, but that would assume the Fed would be OK with secession this time around. But hey, it might work out in favor of the Libs if all these Democrat voters from Georgia are now flooding into other states, so they might be OK with it if it means more political power for them with in the remaining states.
Georgia would have to prepare for all the problems that come with independence and the lack of reliance on the Federal government. That means a lot of benefits would dry up immediately and Georgia wouldn't have as much trade freedom with other states. They would have to negotiate deals with other countries, and it's possible that the US could punish any such alliances by increasing tariffs with those same countries, making it potentially cost-prohibitive to do business with Georgia. Georgia also couldn't expect any help in times of natural disasters.
This is all speculative, mind you, because it won't happen. The Fed wouldn't allow it and (like in Scotland), too many people are suckling on the bigger government teat that they wouldn't want to deal with the hardship of starting over without any help.
Freedom is hard and there are a lot of lazy people in this world. It won't happen, but I would actually be in support of it if it did. I've wanted to move back to Georgia for a while now, and I'd do what I could to get back there to help the cause.
For now, our interests are best served by trying to educate others and encouraging everyone to vote for those that more closely represent their interests and beliefs. Unfortunately we will rarely have candidates that think just like we do on every issue (or maybe even on most issues), but we have to stick with it and always vote for the lesser of two evils, because one of those two evils will decide how the future looks for our kids and ourselves, and we can potentially control how slowly or quickly our world dissolves into chaos and misery, predicated on slavery to the government.
Either the state (country?) would need to take on that burden or deal with the economic and social impacts of all of those people forced to look for jobs or go hungry/homeless all at the same time. In the long-run, it could be better by not reproducing the nanny-state the Fed has created, but in the short-term, there could be a lot of protests and riots, and crime will most certainly skyrocket. Those not as impacted by the cuts in welfare benefits would need to stock up on guns and ammo.
A possible solution would be to work out a deal with the US to accept any "welfare refugees" who choose to leave the state/country of Georgia, but that would assume the Fed would be OK with secession this time around. But hey, it might work out in favor of the Libs if all these Democrat voters from Georgia are now flooding into other states, so they might be OK with it if it means more political power for them with in the remaining states.
Georgia would have to prepare for all the problems that come with independence and the lack of reliance on the Federal government. That means a lot of benefits would dry up immediately and Georgia wouldn't have as much trade freedom with other states. They would have to negotiate deals with other countries, and it's possible that the US could punish any such alliances by increasing tariffs with those same countries, making it potentially cost-prohibitive to do business with Georgia. Georgia also couldn't expect any help in times of natural disasters.
This is all speculative, mind you, because it won't happen. The Fed wouldn't allow it and (like in Scotland), too many people are suckling on the bigger government teat that they wouldn't want to deal with the hardship of starting over without any help.
Freedom is hard and there are a lot of lazy people in this world. It won't happen, but I would actually be in support of it if it did. I've wanted to move back to Georgia for a while now, and I'd do what I could to get back there to help the cause.
For now, our interests are best served by trying to educate others and encouraging everyone to vote for those that more closely represent their interests and beliefs. Unfortunately we will rarely have candidates that think just like we do on every issue (or maybe even on most issues), but we have to stick with it and always vote for the lesser of two evils, because one of those two evils will decide how the future looks for our kids and ourselves, and we can potentially control how slowly or quickly our world dissolves into chaos and misery, predicated on slavery to the government.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:19 am to Jefferson Dawg
yes...but i dont think we should go it alone...
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:28 am to FooManChoo
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For now, our interests are best served by trying to educate others and encouraging everyone to vote for those that more closely represent their interests and beliefs. Unfortunately we will rarely have candidates that think just like we do on every issue (or maybe even on most issues), but we have to stick with it and always vote for the lesser of two evils, because one of those two evils will decide how the future looks for our kids and ourselves, and we can potentially control how slowly or quickly our world dissolves into chaos and misery, predicated on slavery to the government.
I agree 100% with everything in your post....
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:35 am to germandawg
No. It would negatively affect college football and I can't abide the destruction of that which brings me such unmitigated happiness.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:45 am to FooManChoo
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Most of the problems with secession could be resolved by proper planning and acceptance of the additional hardship that will potentially come about for most citizens at first, but the biggest problem that I see would be dealing with the hundreds of thousands if not millions of people utilizing Federal welfare programs who will suddenly be in the lurch.
Very nice post. I honestly think the divide in our nation is too great to remain united. Liberal progressives are determined to transform our nation into something they have absolute control over and conservatives and Christians are basically being disenfranchised. The red states should prepare for the transition with a goal of becoming self-reliant and independent of the federal government. This likely won't happen which means we will see the can kicked down the road until an economic collapse forces the issue.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 2:24 pm to UGA V
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Welfare, food stamps, etc are forms of internal debt that create jobs to sell, distribute and manufacture goods and services. In short, it creates trickle down economics.
The biggest fallout from ending these programs would be on the businesses that benefit from them and the good old boy contracts.
And that folks is why we have welfare, etc. It has absolutely nothing to do with kindness, compassion, etc. In fact it is the opposite of that as it keeps people in poverty and the unemployment rate at a level that holds wages for the working class down to where the big Corps want them.
Follow the money. Always follow the money. Bubba and Skillet get a new pair of shoes and Boss Hog gets a new Hummer.
Preach it brother, preach it. Of course it is much easier to blame the system on the people who don't run around calling themselves job creators....
Posted on 9/22/14 at 2:26 pm to davesdawgs
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conservatives and Christians are basically being disenfranchised.
What the frick??? How are conservatives and Christians being deprived of their right to vote??? How many non-christians hold elected office at any level in the United States??? I bet the number is less than 3%.....
Posted on 9/22/14 at 2:54 pm to germandawg
quote:Well, I doubt the number of actual Christians holding office is that high. We're talking about politicians, after-all.
What the frick??? How are conservatives and Christians being deprived of their right to vote??? How many non-christians hold elected office at any level in the United States??? I bet the number is less than 3%.....
With that said, I understood his comments to mean that the trend in society is away from Christian morality and Conservative values and towards materialistic Humanism. More and more social Conservatives (and shoot, even economic Conservatives) are going to harder to find as more people embrace the ideals of Socialism and Hedonism, marginalizing Christian Conservatives to the fringe entirely.
It's already happened to a large degree, where even the GOP establishment is calling the Conservative wing of the party (Tea Party, for instance) a bunch of cooks and nuts. Being mainstream Republican now means socially Liberal and economically wishy-washy, but that's more to do with the pathetic stance (or lack-thereof) that the GOP has taken recently. They are happy to eat second all the time as long as long as it means having a seat at the table.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:15 pm to FooManChoo
Interesting article out today...and somewhat on topic:
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“A nation becomes too big when it can no longer provide its citizens with the services they expect – defence, roads, post, health, coins, courts and the like – without amassing such complex institutions and bureaucracies that they actually end up preventing the very ends they are intending to achieve, a phenomenon that is now commonplace in the modern industrialized world.
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 5:59 am to FooManChoo
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Well, I doubt the number of actual Christians holding office is that high. We're talking about politicians, after-all.
I would agree entirely LOL....but there aren't many (if any) who will openly admit to being either an atheist or an agnostic....there are gay ones and brown ones and black ones and female ones and all sorts but openly atheist/agnostic spells doom for a politician...
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With that said, I understood his comments to mean that the trend in society is away from Christian morality and Conservative values and towards materialistic Humanism.
I would posit that it is more a move away from superstition and ignorance (not to imply stupidity) toward reason and enlightenment. That trend has been going on for centuries and religious leaders have resorted to all sorts of heinous shite to keep the flock in line....if man does not completely destroy himself he will eventually remember religion vaguely as something his forefathers practiced when they couldn't answer tough questions....
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