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re: Poll Question: Georgia Secession?............................
Posted on 9/21/14 at 9:42 am to Jefferson Dawg
Posted on 9/21/14 at 9:42 am to Jefferson Dawg
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It would take an hour just to correct every fallacy, distortion, and outright lie in his 13 hyperventilating posts.
Again, if it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker it can't have any merit.
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Posted on 9/21/14 at 9:47 am to FooManChoo
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I would say that if a serious talk about secession were to take place, it couldn't be a "leave now" talk. There are a lot of consequences to leaving the union that would need to be accounted for, and it would take a lot of planning to accomplish the smoothest transition possible.
Since when have traitors been allowed to act with a smooth transition in mind? That is asking an awful lot and speaks volumes about the mind set of the children who want to burn down mama and daddy's house because the internet ain't fast enough.
Secessionist:..."I ain't taking it no more...I am leaving"
US...."fine, but what about all the shite in your borders that belong to us?"
Seccesionist:..."but you gave us that...it was a gift...I am taking it with me..."
And the conversation with parents and teen:
Teen....." I am leaving...I can't take it anymore"
Parents...."Fine, but you ain't taking anything but the clothes on your back, which we gave you"
Teen..."But that ain't fair....you gave me my car and my X-Box and my clothes as a gift..."
Ya'll sound just like a spoiled child whose parents have told you no for the first time....secede from the union...hell most of the red states can't even succeed IN the union and they are going to secede??? Give me a fricking break....
Posted on 9/21/14 at 9:53 am to Cobb Dawg
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I'm already camped out atop Kennesaw Mtn with my pea shooter. Let's do this.
Well, Kennesaw Mountain is federal property which ya'll are going to have to pay for sooooo......
But you know what? In a true spirit or entrepenurial exhuburance I am sure that within a few months of secession the free market advocates in the free republic of Georgia will have sold off Kennesaw Mountain to developers who will rapidly be applying a dose of housing development to that sacred ground which will cure it forever of it's sickening undeveloped, natural state. Hell it will be amazing to see...and of course there will be no income tax or property taxes which will translate into no problem with police enforcing such silly laws as prohibitions against speeding or shooting that son of a bitch next door who insists on running that weed wacker at 7 AM on Sunday...it will truly be a magical place, this tax free Free Republic of Georgia....don't tread on me, motherfricker...BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted on 9/21/14 at 10:13 am to germandawg
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OK, your right...so why in the frick are the good, self reliant job producing rugged individuals in those red states in such a position that they need money from your printing press or China in much larger doses than do the lazy scum bag progressives in the blue states?
1.Large minority populations
2. Heavy military presence (a saturation of federal installations)
3. Aging populations/ many of which migrated from the blue utopias
I can't do a damn thing about any of these blood suckers.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 10:29 am to rb
"1.Large minority populations"
So you are saying that the more minorities there are in a state the lower the welfare bill for that state, right??? Because I know you would never contend that there are more minorities on public assistance than there are white folks. The reason I know this is because I know you wouldn't want to spread an age old lie that minorities are the ones driving up the cost of public assistance.
But, just for the fun of it, lets say that it is indeed minorities....whatever the frick difference it makes....that are driving the cost of public assistance. Who are these "blood suckers" trading with? Who are they buying groceries from and renting houses from and whose doctor offices and hospitals are they visiting? Who is building these places??? Why, it is the self reliant, rugged, job producers who are so put upon by the blood sucking minorities.
The fact is that no matter what skin color or heritage a welfare recipient has they immediately transfer the money they receive from tax payers to business owners. Those business owners are the ultimate beneficiaries of those tax dollars...and not their employees because many of them are also on public assistance which means the business owner is double dipping if you will.
"2. Heavy military presence (a saturation of federal installations)"
Yes, we love our pork....and as soon as the secession fence sitters understand that their bidding opportunities on federal projects is going to decline you are going to lose their support completely. But there is a solution to this...instead of seceding why don't the good, rugged, self reliant job producers in the south make a concerted effort to eliminate such facilities from their state? There is nothing like leading by example...so why don't some of the "conservatives" in the red states suggest to their constituency that they are going to see to it that the federal government is not going to spend a red cent in their district ever again...I am certain that this idea would be supported wholeheartedly by the good, rugged, self reliant job producers in the red states....Riiiiggghhhhhttttttt....
"3. Aging populations/ many of which migrated from the blue utopias"
Like the minorities these people spend a LOT of money...and many red states do everything they can to get them to live in their area because they have a lot of expendable income and they are not much of a nuisance because they come complete with federal health care subsidies and don't have the energy to break the law....but again, ya'll should do everything in your power to convince your local politicians that Social Security recipients ought to be encouraged to move out of their districts and not to immigrate into them....that will work out well for that politician....BAHAHHAHAHAHHA!!!!
"I can't do a damn thing about any of these blood suckers."
Sure you can, my friend....you are a free person living in the greatest nation on earth....if you think there is nothing you can do it is because you have no spirit and no drive....there is plenty you can do that does not include giving up your US citizenship....
So you are saying that the more minorities there are in a state the lower the welfare bill for that state, right??? Because I know you would never contend that there are more minorities on public assistance than there are white folks. The reason I know this is because I know you wouldn't want to spread an age old lie that minorities are the ones driving up the cost of public assistance.
But, just for the fun of it, lets say that it is indeed minorities....whatever the frick difference it makes....that are driving the cost of public assistance. Who are these "blood suckers" trading with? Who are they buying groceries from and renting houses from and whose doctor offices and hospitals are they visiting? Who is building these places??? Why, it is the self reliant, rugged, job producers who are so put upon by the blood sucking minorities.
The fact is that no matter what skin color or heritage a welfare recipient has they immediately transfer the money they receive from tax payers to business owners. Those business owners are the ultimate beneficiaries of those tax dollars...and not their employees because many of them are also on public assistance which means the business owner is double dipping if you will.
"2. Heavy military presence (a saturation of federal installations)"
Yes, we love our pork....and as soon as the secession fence sitters understand that their bidding opportunities on federal projects is going to decline you are going to lose their support completely. But there is a solution to this...instead of seceding why don't the good, rugged, self reliant job producers in the south make a concerted effort to eliminate such facilities from their state? There is nothing like leading by example...so why don't some of the "conservatives" in the red states suggest to their constituency that they are going to see to it that the federal government is not going to spend a red cent in their district ever again...I am certain that this idea would be supported wholeheartedly by the good, rugged, self reliant job producers in the red states....Riiiiggghhhhhttttttt....
"3. Aging populations/ many of which migrated from the blue utopias"
Like the minorities these people spend a LOT of money...and many red states do everything they can to get them to live in their area because they have a lot of expendable income and they are not much of a nuisance because they come complete with federal health care subsidies and don't have the energy to break the law....but again, ya'll should do everything in your power to convince your local politicians that Social Security recipients ought to be encouraged to move out of their districts and not to immigrate into them....that will work out well for that politician....BAHAHHAHAHAHHA!!!!
"I can't do a damn thing about any of these blood suckers."
Sure you can, my friend....you are a free person living in the greatest nation on earth....if you think there is nothing you can do it is because you have no spirit and no drive....there is plenty you can do that does not include giving up your US citizenship....
Posted on 9/21/14 at 10:33 am to germandawg
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So you are saying that the more minorities there are in a state the lower the welfare bill for that state, right??? Because I know you would never contend that there are more minorities on public assistance than there are white folks. The reason I know this is because I know you wouldn't want to spread an age old lie that minorities are the ones driving up the cost of public assistance.
It's not an age old lie in my state/county.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 10:43 am to thomass
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GA is turning into NC you dumb fricks. It's trending blue.
It is in Atlanta; elsewhere in GA, not so much.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 10:44 am to rb
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It's not an age old lie in my state/county.
yeah it is...it is an age old lie in the entire nation. It may well be that individual counties and zip codes have more minorities on public assistance than white folks but overall there are more white folks on public assistance.
But what difference does racial/ethnic background make? Are you suggesting that a black person who receives a welfare check does something detrimental with that check that a white person does not? The fact is that if you live in a state and a county where more minorities receive public assistance than white folks do that it doesn't mean a dammed thing as far as the economic impact of the federal spending in that area. White, brown, black or yellow if the person is on public assistance they are trading with someone for their needs with someone who probably considers themselves a job producer....when in fact they are the ultimate benficiary of federal spending....
Posted on 9/21/14 at 10:50 am to davesdawgs
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It is in Atlanta; elsewhere in GA, not so much.
Savannah, Macon, Columbus, Augusta...but it doesn't matter, Atlanta is VERY close to dominating state politics again...and with the HUGE #'s of minorities...black folks and hispanics...the GOP is quickly losing its numbers battle...lets face it....old, angry white men are getting scarcer and black and brown folks are getting more common....unless the GOP can find a way to attract those voters (and doing shite the GOP does on a regular basis) they ain't gonna matter.
It is a interesting time to study such things but it ain't going to be long before the GOP abandons the angry white Christian vote completely and starts trying to out democrat the democrats....ya'll can't ignore the fact that while you were busy being rugged and individual and self reliant job creators your black and brown neighbors were busy fricking and creating a numbers problem for the angry white christian vote.....
Posted on 9/21/14 at 10:56 am to germandawg
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But what difference does racial/ethnic background make? Are you suggesting that a black person who receives a welfare check does something detrimental with that check that a white person does not?
You suggested red states were the major benefactor of subsidies. I'm telling you that the majority of benefactors of said subsidies in my county/state are democratic voters whom happen to be black. I refuse to lump SS retirees into this category due to their contributions to this program.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 11:00 am to Jefferson Dawg
This country is gonna fail eventually anyway. Why not take our chances and rise up independent. Hell yeah.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 11:02 am to sowega dawg
BTW this thread is gonna get good 
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:25 pm to rb
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You suggested red states were the major benefactor of subsidies. I'm telling you that the majority of benefactors of said subsidies in my county/state are democratic voters whom happen to be black. I refuse to lump SS retirees into this category due to their contributions to this program.
I agree that the majority of SS retirees and recipients (the truly disabled and orphans) should not be lumped into the parasitic column. And I am in no way suggesting that there is not WAAAAAAYYYYYY too many people in the column of the parasites. This is a an unmitigated fact.
What is interesting, though, is your suggestion that most of the retailers, the land lords who rent to section 8 "qualifiers" and the enormous number of contractors who trade with the local/state government (who receive lots of federal dollars) and federal government in your county/state are black democrats. My point is that federal money that is taken away from those who earn them are funneled through those people who are deemed "needy" (for lack of a better term) directly into the coffers of people like Wal-Mart and Kroger share holders as well as the landlords who rent to them, the Doctors who treat them, the judges and lawyers who keep them in line to some degree and the multitude of contractors and vendors who trade with these entities. That money does not vanish...in fact there is a mad land rush among the independent, self reliant job producer class to gather as many of those customers as possible. I will gurantee you that, with the exception of a very miniscule minority these people in the latter group are not black democrats.
There is no way to document it but I don't think anyone would seriously suggest that the majority of people who would sign a petition to secede from the United States are not among this supposed class of rugged, self reliant job creators and producers who would climb over the body of their dead mama for an opportunity to get in on the gold rush that is federal spending, which is by all indications the base of the GOP and for the most part white.
Many of you suggest that wealthy democrats perpetrate the very scenario I am describing so they can maintain their support among minorities. I won't argue that point...but that is what you are trying to do. The fact of the matter is, as I see it, that we all love our own pork and are jealous of anyone else getting any. There is not a serious movement in either party or on either side of the political spectrum to make any significant change because it would be political suicide to do so. I also do not disagree that the system is unsustainable and not going to either change or collapse. My point is that it ain't some nameless, faceless entity named the federal government who is to blame but ourselves. But then again I am prone to taking responsibility for my successes and failures without trying to transfer either to anyone else.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:30 pm to sowega dawg
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This country is gonna fail eventually anyway. Why not take our chances and rise up independent. Hell yeah.
I would suggest that this country has already failed in its original goal but to quote Franklin we either hang together or we hang separately. I sincerely think this is a true sentiment but again I am not of the opinion that the United States is a bad thing...those of you who would turn your backs on the United States in favor of a Republic of Georgia or Arizona or whatever have to be of the opinion that the fundamental principles of the United States is flawed beyond repair.....
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:30 pm to sowega dawg
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BTW this thread is gonna get good
I am enjoying it immensely!!!
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:57 pm to Jefferson Dawg
No...
I would have to renew my Passport to come to games
I would have to renew my Passport to come to games
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:00 pm to germandawg
Aight, I'm all in as long as somebody else goes first this time. We need Kentucky to join for the bourbon because if it's jus S.C. an Georgia we will starve. We can't make it on bar b que, peanut log rolls from Stuckeys and Coca Cola. Let's plan it out better this time...Palmetto Pride!!
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Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:08 pm to germandawg
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the fundamental principles of the United States is flawed beyond repair.....
The principles aren't flawed, the federal government that no longer abides by those principles is flawed beyond repair.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:17 pm to WhopperDawg
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The principles aren't flawed, the federal government that no longer abides by those principles is flawed beyond repair.
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If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks…will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered…. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. – Thomas Jefferson in the debate over the Re-charter of the Bank Bill (1809)
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Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.” Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.
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“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and money system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:25 pm to WhopperDawg
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The principles aren't flawed, the federal government that no longer abides by those principles is flawed beyond repair.
Beyond repair? I don't think so...but there are loads of things that need to be done.
The federal government does what the people wish. Now I know ya'll like the warm blanket of victim-hood but the fact is clear that if the people of this nation continue to vote for people who tell them what they want to hear instead of finding solutions (actually most would be pretty simple, relatively pain free and inexpensive if not a net gain from a revenue perspective) and taking the measures needed to implement them we are going to continue to fall short of where we could should be.
Secession is not the answer. Secession and the mindset required to seriously consider such a notion is actually the problem.
I am assuming that most of you who would support secession are of the opinion that most of the problems this country faces are brought on by democratic policies. If that is your opinion then you can blame those polices and their failings (and they are many) on the GOP failing to offer any sort of realistic alternative. The adherence of the right for the last 34 years to answer any and all problems with a tax cut with a corresponding increase in spending would be a good place to start. Tell your leaders to admit it hasn't worked....insist that they cut taxes where they need cutting, cut spending where it needs cutting, and increase taxes and spending where it needs to be done. Agreeing to never increase taxes under any circumstances sounds good on a bumper sticker but if you don't raise taxes but you increase spending you have doubled down on 8...and you gonna lose most of the time no matter what the dealer is showing.
I think the problem lies equally with both parties and the people of this country being fat, dumb and happy. we treat politics like the weather...we bitch about it but we do nothing. In the case of the weather we have no choice...some of you seem to think that the same is true with politics but I suggest that it isn't that the work can't be done successfully it is that the work can't be done easily and immediately. The Tea Party movement, while completely off the mark in my opinion, is a great example of what can be done when citizens decide they are fed up.
The bright side? The GOP has probably just about completely imploded. As soon as the libertarians, the social conservatives and the Tea Party wings of the GOP completely re-invent the party, probably in 2 or even 3 separate parties, moderate democrats (and there are PLENTY of them) will align themselves with which ever GOP group resembles their own image of the country and the Democratic party will go through a similar re-alignment. When this happens coalitions of groups will have no choice but to work together to stay in power which will mean they will have to be answerable to their supporters. Right now this is not the case...we are so polarized and concerned with the D or the R following a politicians name on TV that we never stop to consider the message they are actually delivering. If the letter is right the message is right.
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