re: If you had to choose right now, HC of Tennessee or be HC of USCe

We have been wanting one but it was a huge political battle in the state. Basically the state felt there were already enough law schools, and alums of other universities didn't want us to be lawyers (which become politicians), so we couldn't add a law school to the system for a while.

Eventually we hit a political power peak in our state so we got our law school but only if we bought the worst law school in the state rather than make a new one.

We bought that school and we are dumping money into it to bring up standards. The transition is causing some friction because of how fast we are moving things but we aren't going to have a substandard law school in the system.

The politicians like to spread these things out without regard to sense. It's all about making sure their district gets something whether the campus, research areas, hospital and other academic support areas are remotely close to one another, they don't seem to care. What I don't understand is given the way our state is - why not put one in each region or just put it in Nashville where everyone can get to it. We have the population to support more than one.

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Yeah, sure, I don't mind hanging my hat on beating you on the field last season

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So lemme get this straight.

You're entire decade is built around upsetting us at your place last season?

And your entire vicarious life is built around UT supposedly being a wealthier program.

lol ... okay, I'll play.

The average age a kid begins to take notice of, or become a fan of, a school is 12 yrs old. That's five years before he really becomes eligible to be seriously recruited.

So I ask you.

In the past five years, if you were graphing every phase, every sport, associated with both programs and including their finances, bank accounts, perceived value, assets, etc., etc., etc., ... and you graphed them on a standard x y axis graph from -5 to 5, in terms of years ... the past five seasons and the next five seasons, how would you think the two programs would compare? Which program would obviously be trending upwards and which one would be .... well, less so?

What do you want to use? Wins? Money spent? New building projects?

Most UT and SC fans agree, there are really only four sports that count. Football, Men's and Women's basketball, and baseball.

How do the two programs compare over the last five years and the next five years?

Facilities? Who has newer, more modern, more comfortable facilities for the fans, for the players ... and also in terms of academic support and facilities?

Who has more money in the bank right now ... I'm talking athletic departments? How would UT's projected five year P&L statement compare to SC's and vise versa?

Just a FWIW last time I looked Forbes had UT the 12th most valuable program in the country to SC's 16th but that was in a year (2013) where we showed $20 million less in profits because we paid-off a lot of outstanding building debt. The year before we were valued higher than UT ... of course y'all were very unstable at the time and paying off coaches. Difference is, SCAR has something to show for their big debt payoff ... UT does not.

For that matter, since you are claiming that UT runs with the big dogs in the conference in terms of revenue ... I'm pretty sure UT is ranked behind Bama, LSU, UGA, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, ... then, finally, UT, SC and A&M. LINK

Football ... we're definitely considered at a higher level than Tennessee in the minds of recruits right now.

Men's basketball ... yeah, you've got us there for the time being.

Women's basketball ... it's a two horse race between SC and UT in the SEC for the foreseeable future.

Baseball ... I'm sure you'll claim it doesn't count. Yet it sure did for decades at UT and it still does when you are winning. At any rate, this one is not even close.

Facilities ... fan can actually breath in our stadium. Video boards ... get this, you're #15 in the country, we're 16th. Ours is four years newer, yours is 1 foot longer. LINK

Baseball stadiums ... not even close.

Basketball facilities ... yeah, yours is larger, that's about it. I've been to yours plenty of times for both men's and women's games. The Colonial Center is far nicer, newer, more modern.

Indoor football practice facility. Yours is very very nice. Our new, state of the art, facility is under construction right now ... let's call it a draw. Y'all's is very nice. Ours will be finished soon.

Academic centers? Thornton is nice. But The Dodie is bigger, newer and much nicer, far more modern. But for the sake of argument, let's call that a draw ... even though it's not really, my fingers are getting tired. No, nevermind, you know what ... it's not a draw. It's not even close and it's a major major recruiting tool these days. We've got the far superior athletic academic support for student athletes ... and we have no history of cheating in that arena like Tennessee does. So parents can rest assured their kids will actually be going to classes, doing their homework and learning some post-football skills. LINK

So, bottom line, I just don't see where all the Vol superiority from a few of you, not counting Prof, is coming-from other than some sort of entitlement you must be feeling?

I'm not anti-UT. I never liked Phil Fulmer, not ever. I thought he was a fat classless cheating slug. But your program overall was once proud and traditional and historic.

These days you are dickriding a rivalry with Bama and an upset win over SC? Trying to claim some superiority in ever facet of your program over SC and trolling us with comparisons to MSU?

Here's a comparison for you.

Michigan and Tennessee and Notre Dame.

Y'all's three fan bases have been so hubristic over the years, so full of shite at times, that y'all have actually allowed your programs to self destruct while other programs outworked you. And here's the kicker. All three of y'all are actually still living vicariously through past successes and demanding old traditional rivalries are what matters more than anything ... all the while you've lost sight of what really matters.

Just win. Stay out of debt. Stay out of trouble. Win ball games.

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Y'all's three fan bases have been so hubristic over the years, so full of shite at times, that y'all have actually allowed your programs to self destruct while other programs outworked you. And here's the kicker. All three of y'all are actually still living vicariously through past successes and demanding old traditional rivalries are what matters more than anything ... all the while you've lost sight of what really matters.

Just win. Stay out of debt. Stay out of trouble. Win ball games.

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^this

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demanding old traditional rivalries are what matters more than anything .

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Schedule thread?

Tennessee

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scrooster

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Holy frick. THis dude is so much of a homer it isn't even funny.

You seriously can't admit UT facilities are nicer? They have a much larger capacity in the stadium and it's universally accepted that the UT lockerroom/weight room and other facilities are up there with the big boys of LSU, TAMU (post renovation), and Bama.

If USCe doesn't make a good hire after a HOF coach retires, they're back to being a W on everybody's schedule.

The rage that's deep down with in you, after all the years of shitty, losing football. Let it out. Tennessee has beat your arse your entire life. You've managed to creep up to what, 8 all time wins against us? The decades of frustration posing as that TL; DR short story screamed inferiority complex, Rooster. Good for you!

Statistically UT went through its worst 5 year stretch in history whereas past 5 years was the pinnacle of SC football program.

And yet UT finished top 5 in the nation in recruiting last year and beat SC on the field. I think that tells you all you need to know.

Better comparison would be SC vs. Mississippi State. State of Mississippi produces talent on par or better than South Carolina. Both programs have similar tradition and history. Mississippi State has better football facilities than South Carolina. Columbia is better place to be than Starkville though.

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