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re: Scotland votes on Independence on Thursday
Posted on 9/19/14 at 12:52 am to KSGamecock
Posted on 9/19/14 at 12:52 am to KSGamecock
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Yea, that's why democracy is inadequate in, and so often fails to protect liberty. 51% of the people vote everyone into slavery. The ideal solution in most of these countries is a benevolent dictatorship unfortunately.
It's the best government. The problem always becomes the son or grandson of the benevolent dictator ends up being a total incompetent and ruins the country for 40 years before HIS kid comes in and fricks it up even worse for another 40.
I was for a Yes vote for about 5 minutes, but it would have been a disaster, not just for the UK, but the whole western world. Scotland would have been on the quick path to joining Greece and Portugal at the bottom of the EU barrel.
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 3:09 am to KSGamecock
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What did we ever do to them? I get that all their best people emigrated here and that's why most of Europe hates us but come on.
I grew up with a dude who was my roommate one year in college and he was Scottish Royalty. No joke. Enough people died(a lot of them), he'd be King. They had the penance of nobility in their house in everything. Dad was a brilliant guy. A big VP for Oxy. Went to Cornell which is why their whole family are diehard Bills fans. Him and another buddy when they were young, stole the House of Stuart Royal Scotch when they were like 14. He also got a terrible tattoo of two rings with him and this girl he lost his virginity to, basically wanted to get their crest over it.
Long story short. Some Scottish royalty, I guess the lower end, aren't super rich, and lead normal lives.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 7:12 am to cokebottleag
Hahaha. The EU is the bottom of the barrel. Fiat "money" is out of control. Currency debasement is running rampant. Things will continue to get worse for all but the elite.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 7:55 am to TeLeFaWx
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Enough people died(a lot of them), he'd be King.
Stuarts no longer hold a claim to the throne in any way, shape or form. Aside from cadet branches, it is an extinct house. Basically, you or I held just as much a chance of being named King of England as you or I. English Royalty is now Scottish Royalty, there are no more Scottish royals; that died with Queen Anne, or Bonny Prince Charlie if you happen to be a Jacobite.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 8:22 am to cokebottleag
A yes vote would have been really bad, I just wanted to see it because it would have been super interesting to see how the split was handled.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:00 am to KSGamecock
I still don't get this "would have been bad" argument. UK and US governments have gone full retard with spending, both domestically (ss here, NHS there for example) and internationally (NATO, IMF, etc). The system is unsustainable as is.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:12 am to autodd03
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I still don't get this "would have been bad" argument. UK and US governments have gone full retard with spending, both domestically (ss here, NHS there for example) and internationally (NATO, IMF, etc). The system is unsustainable as is.
The UK has actually enacted austerity measures and cut spending which has riled up a lot of Scots, the majority of whom actually want a Socialist society.
The English are spinning this as the Scots cleaving unto Mother England, but it's not exactly true. Most Scots (not English who have since moved to Scotland) really want to see a free and independent Scotland, but the Yes campaign provided no real plan as to how they were going to move forward as an independent nation. When you have shite to worry about like how to pay your mortgage and provide for your family, it takes more than a bunch of ultra-rich guys saying "Vote for independence! We'll work out the kinks when we get there!" I think that in our life time you will see Scotland secede because the two are so culturally different and the Scots genuinely feel like they've been taken advantage of, but it will take someone with actual vision and an organized campaign that says "This how we will meet the challenges of becoming an independent nation..."
This post was edited on 9/19/14 at 10:13 am
Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:18 am to crispyUGA
Socialism seems to work in norway.
austerity like the sequester or real cuts to the overspending?
austerity like the sequester or real cuts to the overspending?
Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:22 am to autodd03
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Socialism seems to work in norway.
people say that about country after country and then i look at France and Greece and wonder how far behind they are.
When's the last time Norway did something worth a crap?
Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:25 am to 3nOut
socialism can't work alongside multiculturism imo
Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:30 am to autodd03
Correct. Norway has a small homogenous population that has agreed to live under certain standardized conditions. It's the only way socialism can possibly work, and I still don't want to be a part of it. I'd rather live in a country where everything is available and we have choice.
This post was edited on 9/19/14 at 10:31 am
Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:33 am to autodd03
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socialism can't work alongside multiculturism imo
exactly. name another country that's got working socialism with a culture as diverse as the USA.
This post was edited on 9/19/14 at 10:40 am
Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:43 am to 3nOut
I wouldn't say it's working either. Not for entrepreneurs, inventors, people who make society better. They are inhibited.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:51 am to autodd03
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Austerity like the sequester or real cuts to the overspending?
Real cuts to social programs are what have pissed off a lot of the working class Scots and threats to cut pensions have pissed off the middle class and upper class Scots. The workin class has no safety-net, though, so they were always less likely to make that leap of faith and vote yes.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:55 am to 3nOut
it will never work in a diverse land such as the USA.
A great portion of R&D in our country is through socialism (i.e. government grants given to research universities). It's not like back when edison and tesla were working.
A great portion of R&D in our country is through socialism (i.e. government grants given to research universities). It's not like back when edison and tesla were working.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 11:03 am to autodd03
quote:There are still private tinkerers, and you are ignoring the massive R&D put forth by corporations. Think Silicon Valley, etc
A great portion of R&D in our country is through socialism (i.e. government grants given to research universities). It's not like back when edison and tesla were working.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 11:05 am to autodd03
Not here for the party -- have things to do that exceed the importance of educating you all.
Socialism is state capitalism.
You all are an embarrassment to political theory.
Socialism is state capitalism.
You all are an embarrassment to political theory.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 11:06 am to genro
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There are still private tinkerers, and you are ignoring the massive R&D put forth by corporations. Think Silicon Valley, etc
Do you have any idea how much the state has helped fund those endeavors?
Posted on 9/19/14 at 11:09 am to Sleeping Tiger
quote:Nowadays?
Do you have any idea how much the state has helped fund those endeavors?
Posted on 9/19/14 at 11:10 am to Sleeping Tiger
quote:In theory.
Socialism is state capitalism.
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