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Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:08 pm to parkjas2001
Holy shite you are retarded.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:09 pm to skrangeo
So it's the player who is good and not the coach? Ok, pray he keeps recruiting at a high level.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:09 pm to UnAnon
Well he isn't recruiting shitty players....
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:09 pm to parkjas2001
Why can't it be both?
Can they not be simultaneous?
Are you this slow?
Can they not be simultaneous?
Are you this slow?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:11 pm to Aggball
Hey moron, I am agreeing with you. Like you said, Sumlin develops QBs at a high level. he could develop Driskel and BAllen too.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:11 pm to junkfunky
The term gets thrown around a lot, but I think it is often misapplied or overused. I think of a system offense as one that is unbalanced in one direction or the other in such a way that it helps gain a specific advantage over the defense.
For example, an offense that is extremely pass heavy would be a system offense. On the other side of the coin, an option offense, or full on spread option offense, would be a system offense. In both cases, the offenses lack of balance is something that they control for and are used to, causing the defense to be unbalanced in a way that they may not be familiar or comfortable with.
I think these offenses got labeled in the past, because they were typically used by lesser teams in a way that they could mask disadvantages, play to whatever strength they have in recruiting, tried to even out the talent gap between them and larger programs.
However, now you see some bigger programs running these kinds of offenses as well, with A&M and Auburn at the top of that list. Those teams definitely aren't doing this to mask disadvantages.
For example, an offense that is extremely pass heavy would be a system offense. On the other side of the coin, an option offense, or full on spread option offense, would be a system offense. In both cases, the offenses lack of balance is something that they control for and are used to, causing the defense to be unbalanced in a way that they may not be familiar or comfortable with.
I think these offenses got labeled in the past, because they were typically used by lesser teams in a way that they could mask disadvantages, play to whatever strength they have in recruiting, tried to even out the talent gap between them and larger programs.
However, now you see some bigger programs running these kinds of offenses as well, with A&M and Auburn at the top of that list. Those teams definitely aren't doing this to mask disadvantages.
This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:15 pm to Aggball
LSU has more successful QB's in the NFL than A&M
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:19 pm to UnAnon
Who from LsU starts in the NFL?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:20 pm to skrangeo
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Explain how KH is special for Sumlin's offense. What makes him a "fit" for it?
Special as in talented you dingus.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:21 pm to parkjas2001
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Hey moron, I am agreeing with you. Like you said, Sumlin develops QBs at a high level. he could develop Driskel and BAllen too.
That's what you aren't getting. Kenny hill has played in this offense his entire life. If he stays on this pace, he will be yet another all time leader. His familiarity with this type of "system" makes him that much better than the QB's you listed. Granted, I don't know the high school histories of the QB's in question, I'm certain none have Kenny's experience with such a complex offense for so many years.
While I think Sumlin could make those QB's work, the ones you listed, none of them would be in the 2 deep.
Really... I don't think Sumlin would give them an offer. So to say they could run this offense like Kenny is definitely not agreeing with me.
Now, add to the fact that Sumlin is a master at teaching this system to the talent he has/is getting.... Mmmm'mmmmmm
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:23 pm to Loathor
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I've always assumed a "system" was used when it doesn't really matter the player change, they keep performing at the same level. If you have five different QBs go through a program or coach and they all put up similar numbers... then it's a system and not the players that are excelling.
Basically.
Labeling a QB as a "system" QB is just a way to say the QB isn't all that special -- it's really the coach and their system that provided the necessary framework.
Or to put it another way:
"Hey JFF - YOU didn't build that!"
They are clear examples of QBs that were worthy of the label, usually from pass happy teams in lesser conferences where defenses are thin.
The irony is that Spurrier, the guy just eviscerated by Sumlin, used to be one of those "system" coaches when he ran the Fun n' Gun at Florida. Spurrier's QBs led the SEC in passing yards with names like Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerrfel and Rex Grossman. Grossman threw for 3896 yards. Kentucky was putting up similar numbers with Tim Couch and Jared Lorenzen in the late 90s. None of those guys did shite in the NFL -- Grossman and Couch were first round picks who way underproduced relative to where they were drafted. Thus, they will forever more be dubbed "system QBs".
The Fun n' Gun is dead and the Air Raid is alive and well for now.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:56 pm to BrerTiger
Why doesn't everyone run our system?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 7:16 pm to skrangeo
Just a thought here.
Maybe -- just maybe -- if you take a four- or five-star athlete and surround him with teammates who are also four- and five-star athletes, and put that team on the field against a team with fewer athletes of the same caliber, then maybe -- just maybe -- that athlete will perform reasonably well.
Again, just a thought.
Maybe -- just maybe -- if you take a four- or five-star athlete and surround him with teammates who are also four- and five-star athletes, and put that team on the field against a team with fewer athletes of the same caliber, then maybe -- just maybe -- that athlete will perform reasonably well.
Again, just a thought.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 7:21 pm to Fmedic08
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Why doesn't everyone run our system?
I guess for the same reason not every school sends 30 players to the NFL draft in a 4 year period.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 7:22 pm to AggieHank86
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Just a thought here.
Maybe -- just maybe -- if you take a four- or five-star athlete and surround him with teammates who are also four- and five-star athletes, and put that team on the field against a team with fewer athletes of the same caliber, then maybe -- just maybe -- that athlete will perform reasonably well.
Again, just a thought.
This is lunacy. I reject your notion out of hand, sir.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 7:40 pm to Fmedic08
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Why doesn't everyone run our system?
There are several advantages to an UTNH offense. None of them have anything to do with defense, though. High tempo passing all the time can put a big strain on a defense.
Other than a handful of exceptions, it's defense that has dictated the SEC over the last 15 years. Other than the last 2 Auburn championship teams, a powerhouse defense was a common denominator. And despite their overall weakness, the 2010 Auburn D had a couple a big time playmakers that helped make up for that.
And Auburn's up tempo offense last year was based largely on the run game. Run game = constantly running clock = fewer possessions = less strain on the defense.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:31 pm to Loathor
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I've always assumed a "system" was used when it doesn't really matter the player change, they keep performing at the same level. If you have five different QBs go through a program or coach and they all put up similar numbers... then it's a system and not the players that are excelling.
But that's just my opinion.
So Bama is a system team right? I mean they just plug and play at QB too.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:42 pm to Fmedic08
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Why doesn't everyone run our system?
Sumlin hasn't won shite yet? Just a few games. No SEC, no NC. His problem is he has no defense and defense wins championships. Somewhere along the way your HUNH offense will have an off day. That's when your defense needs to be there.
The real question is why doesn't everyone run Saban's system? The answer is they can't.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:44 pm to skrangeo
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Sounds like excuses to me.
Win it all. Until then, no one cares.
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