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re: What happened in Houston between the Oilers leaving and the Texans debuting?
Posted on 8/12/14 at 11:41 am to greenbastard
Posted on 8/12/14 at 11:41 am to greenbastard
Call me a homer (ok, I'll call myself one preemptively 
), but I can tell you beyond a shadow if a doubt that as long as I have been a staunch San Antonian Cowboys fan, I'd drop them in a heartbeat if SA got a team. And I'd be far from alone. That's a proud community and would rally around their own team in a heartbeat.
Look at how fast they packed the Alamodome on short notice for the displaced Saints in the Katrina aftermath.
Plus, as much of a Cowboys stronghold as SA is, how many San Antonians even go to Dallas on a regular basis? The Cowboys' longevity in the state and the dearth of a team in south Texas is more to blame for so many cowboy fans in SA, and Jerruh, shrewd business man as he is, knows this.
Give San Antonio a team, and a shitload of Cowboys fans convert overnight.
), but I can tell you beyond a shadow if a doubt that as long as I have been a staunch San Antonian Cowboys fan, I'd drop them in a heartbeat if SA got a team. And I'd be far from alone. That's a proud community and would rally around their own team in a heartbeat. Look at how fast they packed the Alamodome on short notice for the displaced Saints in the Katrina aftermath.
Plus, as much of a Cowboys stronghold as SA is, how many San Antonians even go to Dallas on a regular basis? The Cowboys' longevity in the state and the dearth of a team in south Texas is more to blame for so many cowboy fans in SA, and Jerruh, shrewd business man as he is, knows this.
Give San Antonio a team, and a shitload of Cowboys fans convert overnight.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 11:45 am
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Posted on 8/12/14 at 11:47 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Yeah. I thought so.
And who said the team has to be named the San Antonio Gunslingers? Name them the Texas Gunslingers if research does truly show that Austin wont support them with the "SA" name. The problem comes back to brand loyalty. Its going to be a bitch to get Panchito in Laredo and Mike in Live Oak to hang up the cowboys jerseys.
And who said the team has to be named the San Antonio Gunslingers? Name them the Texas Gunslingers if research does truly show that Austin wont support them with the "SA" name. The problem comes back to brand loyalty. Its going to be a bitch to get Panchito in Laredo and Mike in Live Oak to hang up the cowboys jerseys.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 11:55 am to greenbastard
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The problem comes back to brand loyalty. Its going to be a bitch to get Panchito in Laredo and Mike in Live Oak to hang up the cowboys jerseys.
I'm telling you, that would be easier than you'd believe.
Panchito in Laredo identifies as much with Dallas as someone from the Michigan Upper Peninsula. Put a team in his backyard and he's all over it.
Mike in Live Oak supports the Cowboys because he went to a couple of preseason games in the Alamodome way back when and checked out Cowboys training camp when it was in SA. Tell him he can go from watching the Spurs in the Finals to gearing up for a full NFL slate within shouting distance? He's getting season tix.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 12:47 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I 100% agree that San Antonio Cowboys fans would convert instantly.
Jerruh didn't get billions JUST by being drunk all the time. He's savvy enough to realize that as well.
San Antonio has more viewers, per-capita, who watch Cowboys games than Dallas.
Thus, Jerry will fricking kill people to stop San Antonio from getting a team.
Maybe that can be overcome, I honestly don't know.
FYI, the list big companies HQ in SA no longer includes AT&T. They moved to Dallas. Titan Holdings & USLD Communications sold out. Builder's Square moved out. Toyota is HQ in Cali but is moving the HQ to Dallas. They just have a plant in SA.
SA's Big Corporate HQ are Valero, it's spin-offs: NuStar & CST, Tesoro (another refiner like Valero), Clear Channel, USAA and their call center the size of the Pentagon, and HEB. Frost and Rackspace are officially HQ in SA but really split between there and Austin.
Jerruh didn't get billions JUST by being drunk all the time. He's savvy enough to realize that as well.
San Antonio has more viewers, per-capita, who watch Cowboys games than Dallas.
Thus, Jerry will fricking kill people to stop San Antonio from getting a team.
Maybe that can be overcome, I honestly don't know.
FYI, the list big companies HQ in SA no longer includes AT&T. They moved to Dallas. Titan Holdings & USLD Communications sold out. Builder's Square moved out. Toyota is HQ in Cali but is moving the HQ to Dallas. They just have a plant in SA.
SA's Big Corporate HQ are Valero, it's spin-offs: NuStar & CST, Tesoro (another refiner like Valero), Clear Channel, USAA and their call center the size of the Pentagon, and HEB. Frost and Rackspace are officially HQ in SA but really split between there and Austin.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 12:49 pm to Cooter Davenport
Big corporations dont have to be headquartered in SA to sponsor any potential stadium. See the Toyota Center in Houston.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 12:57 pm to greenbastard
SA's minor league soccer team, the Scorpions, is also sponsored by and plays in a stadium named for Toyota, iirc.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 12:58 pm to Cooter Davenport
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Jerruh didn't get billions JUST by being drunk all the time. He's savvy enough to realize that as well.
San Antonio has more viewers, per-capita, who watch Cowboys games than Dallas.
Thus, Jerry will fricking kill people to stop San Antonio from getting a team.
All of this.
For all his MANY shortcomings as a GM, as a businessman in the NFL he is peerless.
His influence might be the single biggest obstacle to overcome if SA is ever to land a team in the immediate future.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 1:00 pm to greenbastard
The point being discussed isn't who'd SPONSOR it - clearly stadiums arenas and ballparks nationwide are sponsored by companies that don't even have big offices in the city where they are a stadium sponsor - the point is that, in the modern NFL, the money is made on suites and club levels, which are sold to companies. Regular Joes aren't even very regularly season ticket holders of just the normal seats anymore. I've been to about 10 Texans games and every single time it was on some company's dime. Aside from military bases and military hospitals and the handful of aforementioned large companies, San Antonio's economy is tourism and the call centers of major national companies that exploit the cheap labor pool, are HQ elsewhere, and don't give two shits about the city. There is more corporate money along 5 miles of I-10 in far west Houston alone than in the entirety of Bexar County. That's why NRG is sold-out forever no matter how turrble the Texans are.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 8/12/14 at 2:00 pm to Cooter Davenport
San Antonio isnt the 3rd largest metro area in TX for no reason. You are underestimating the economic impact it has on South Texas. Like it was said earlier, Eagle Ford Shale. Enough said. Corporate suites and seating package would not be a problem.
If Jacksonville, FL or Buffalo NY can do it, so can PPSA.
If Jacksonville, FL or Buffalo NY can do it, so can PPSA.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 2:11 pm to greenbastard
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Eagle Ford Shale
I would guess that most of the Eagle Ford operators and service companies are based out of Houston or DFW.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:12 pm to ColoradoAg03
A lot of them have corporate branch offices in and around SA for some engineers along with accounting and HR functions if they're structured that way. Denver is a similar hub for the Bakken, since no professional office person wants to live in Pleasanton, TX or Watford City, ND
Posted on 8/12/14 at 4:10 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
We have office locations in Cuero, Pawnee, and Victoria
Ain't nobody got time for that!
Ain't nobody got time for that!
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:51 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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frick Bud Adams
and his Adams Petroleum Company and his Lincoln dealerships in Houston.
Moving the Oilers was the final straw. (first straw was the disaster in Buffalo). I was living in Houston at the time and it allowed us to watch four games on Sunday. No blackout. It was great.
Adams and former mayor Lanier hated each other's guts. Adams threatened to move the team to Jacksonville.
Harris County Sports Authority agreed to remove the legendary scoreboard to build the Oilers more luxury boxes.
The paint was barely dry when he moved the team temporarily to Memphis and then on to Nashville.
The only redeeming part of this is that the Oilers/Titans signed bankrupted Vince.
I wonder how Lanier and Adams are both getting along in Hell.
I hope they are forced to watch the Cowboys 24/7.
Although the devil is not that mean.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:40 pm to agswin
Lanier is still alive.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:52 am to ColoradoAg03
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I would guess that most of the Eagle Ford operators and service companies are based out of Houston or DFW.
I am a frac engineer for the largest service company in North America and we have a super yard in San Antonio(technically Elmendorf) and Baker has once just down the road. Weatherford has once across the street. But corporate is in Houston. I know a Sooner buddy that was a land man for Marathon but he moved to Houston.
Either way, SA has done very well from the Eagleford, even if companies still base out of Houston and DFW. They still operate out of SA for a lot.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:57 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Again, I have to disagree. Put a team in SA, and more Austinites will find a reason to support it based on proximity alone than will spurn it just to spite the River City.
I cannot disagree with you more.
And it only really takes a decade to become a permanent fixture in the youth's mind. Austin kids would support it because it's close and it's not Dallas or Houston, and they are on the whole already Spurs supporters. I agree with Tbird here.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:16 pm to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 8/16/14 at 1:01 pm to TeLeFaWx
That area is growing together as well. In 20-30 years it might seem like the same metro area honestly.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 7:41 pm to theGarnetWay
I was a big Titans fan for about 7 years until I came around to the texans.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:30 pm to greenbastard
I get people who hate on NFL owners holding cities hostage. Almost lost my Saints to SA that way, until the combo of FEMA money and a potential PR nightmare forced them to stay.
With that said I think NFL teams, like European soccor teams, do provide a great service. Like Crossfit they tap into that more primitive and tribal part of the human brain- my tribe vs your tribe. All pro sports teams do that, but NFL teams are the ultimate for civic pride.
For that they can hold cities hostage. Its not optimal but business rarely is.
And for the record, Austin proper might not support a SA NFL team but the burbs would. That is where the money is anyway.
With that said I think NFL teams, like European soccor teams, do provide a great service. Like Crossfit they tap into that more primitive and tribal part of the human brain- my tribe vs your tribe. All pro sports teams do that, but NFL teams are the ultimate for civic pride.
For that they can hold cities hostage. Its not optimal but business rarely is.
And for the record, Austin proper might not support a SA NFL team but the burbs would. That is where the money is anyway.
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 3:36 pm
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