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re: National Titles among the SEC (all sports)

Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:50 pm to
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:50 pm to
And therein lies the flaw in your argument - there are more than 2 major polls.
As for Alabama in 66, y'all only got 2 selections, and they were both retroactive (Berryman didn't exist until 90 and Sagarin 78). Not even close to being the same thing.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 6:51 pm
Posted by Crimson Legend
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:53 pm to
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And therein lies the flaw in your argument - there are more than 2 major polls.
As for Alabama in 66, y'all only got 2 selections, and they were both retroactive (Berryman didn't exist until 90 and Sagarin 78). Not even close to being the same thing.


1. Major polls is in the eye of the beholder, but the AP and UPI are generally accepted as the standard for that time. No way I can convince you of that if you don't believe it, but fortunately most people aren't this obstinate.

2. My argument is not that 1964 Arkansas and 1966 Alabama have the same number of selections. My point is that you can make the case for both teams, but both teams have to live with the fact that they weren't selected by the polls most of us accept as the standard.
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:01 pm to
The photo I posted and the NCAA disagree, but okay.
Posted by Crimson Legend
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:05 pm to
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The photo I posted and the NCAA disagree, but okay.


I do not recognize what you recognize the NCAA as recognizing.
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:15 pm to
You're right, that pic I posted must be fake.
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:18 pm to
And from the same CFDW that you Bammers are always using to try and justify your claims:



https://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/index.php
Posted by Crimson Legend
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:22 pm to
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And from the same CFDW that you Bammers are always using to try and justify your claims:


Don't go there unless you are ready to go both ways. Do you recognize the same number of championships for Bama that CFBDW does? Be consistent.

That site is intentionally casting a wider net to avoid this type of debate.
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:26 pm to
You're the one trying to have it both ways, not me.
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:26 pm to
Or you can just admit that you were wrong.
Posted by Crimson Legend
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:39 pm to
So does this mean you recognize 14 legitimate national championships for Alabama?
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:40 pm to
Why won't you admit that you were wrong?
Posted by Crimson Legend
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:09 pm to
Pathetic. If you believe the CFBDW is legitimate, then say so. If not, don't bring it into the discussion. I am not responsible for every comment you've ever heard from a Bama fan.

If it's legitimate, and Alabama has 14 national championships, then say so, and I'll grant you the point based on CFBDW. If it's not valid for Bama, then it's not valid for Arkansas, and it's not valid as proof of the legitimacy of any polls.

Posted by Korin
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:11 pm to
You're the one moving the goalposts, not me. I already proved that there are more than 2 major polls.
If y'all have 14 titles, then Arkansas has 1 (same with Ole Miss and 1960). Again, can't have it both ways.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 8:12 pm
Posted by Crimson Legend
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:13 pm to
This can go on forever. You're not right - you haven't proven anything. You tried to slip in a site to prove your point which YOU YOURSELF won't accept as authoritative. Own up to it.

I didn't bring up CFBDW. You did. Is it valid, or is it not?
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:14 pm to
Are there 2 or 4 trophies here?

Posted by Crimson Legend
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:20 pm to
Does the coach standing behind a trophy make it a major poll?

Do you now recognize the People's National Championship in your count?



And by the way, this doesn't answer my question.
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:21 pm to
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:21 pm to
That's the Sugar Bowl trophy. Nice try though.
Posted by Crimson Legend
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:25 pm to
Talk about moving the goalposts. You're flopping like a fish on a beach.

Is the SEC media guide now the standard, since you failed to prove your point with the Saban photo and you aren't willing to call the CFBDW authoritative?

What's your next move? General Neyland's memoirs?
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:31 pm to
You can't even admit that you were wrong with that Sugar Bowl trophy pic.
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