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re: National Titles among the SEC (all sports)
Posted on 7/30/14 at 3:16 am to Crimson Legend
Posted on 7/30/14 at 3:16 am to Crimson Legend
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You didn't win squat. The FWAA is one of many minor polls. Your 1964 claim is barely any more legit than Bama fans claiming 1941, and that one is downright laughable.
You don't like the fact that the two major polls didn't give it to you? Tough shite. You can't make them change their rules retroactively. I think it's ridiculous that Alabama was left behind two teams that tied in 1966, but other than whining like you Arkansas fans, there's nothing I can do about it.
Wrong.
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:23 am to Korin
No they don't. The NCAA only recognizes the FCS champs as the division 1 football national champs. They only list people that were awarded by the polls. Look it up.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:53 am to sorantable
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Lol @ State
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:17 am to Crimson Legend
Its pretty clear that Arkansas was the better football team in 1964. Comparing 64 to Bama's 41 "championship" is ludicrous. If you hadnt gotten spanked by Texas you would be considered equal to Arkansas that year but you weren't.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:52 am to hogminer
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Its pretty clear that Arkansas was the better football team in 1964. Comparing 64 to Bama's 41 "championship" is ludicrous. If you hadnt gotten spanked by Texas you would be considered equal to Arkansas that year but you weren't.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:06 am to pvilleguru
Sorry bro. Arkansas beat #1 Texas in Austin and Bama lost to Texas at a neutral site. 11-0>10-1 Its pretty clear who was the best team. #transitiveproperties
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:15 am to hogminer
quote:Doesn't really apply to sports. Especially when comparing games from October and January.
#transitiveproperties
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 8:26 am
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:36 am to Korin
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Korin
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Football Bowl Subdivision
College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS and College Football Playoff
The NCAA has never sanctioned an official championship in the highest level of football, now known as Division I FBS. Instead, several outside bodies award their own titles. The NCAA does not hold a championship tournament for Division I FBS football. In the past, the "national championship" went to teams that placed first in any of a number of season-ending media polls, most notable the AP Poll of writers and the Coaches Poll.
Starting in 2014, the College Football Playoff – an association of the conferences and independent schools that compete in Division I FBS and five bowl games – has arranged to place the top four teams (based on a thirteen-member committee that seeds and selects the teams similarly to the Final Four) into two semifinal bowl games and the winners go on to compete in the College Football Championship Game. The winner of the championship game receives a trophy; since the NCAA awards no national championship for Division I FBS football, this trophy does not denote NCAA as other NCAA college sports national championship trophies do.
BOOM!
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:33 am to sorantable
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Lol @ State
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U R unreal.......Look in the mirrow dude!
LOL @ Ole Piss.............
Lol @ State
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U R unreal.......Look in the mirrow dude!
LOL @ Ole Piss.............
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:44 am to GeorgeReymond
I'm sure it was a minor oversight by the NCAA in not recognizing State's disc golf national championship, as well as our multiple national titles in weather forecasting and efficient car design.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 12:13 pm to NorthGwinnett LSU
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BOOM!
Posted on 7/30/14 at 12:43 pm to hogminer
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Its pretty clear that Arkansas was the better football team in 1964. Comparing 64 to Bama's 41 "championship" is ludicrous. If you hadnt gotten spanked by Texas you would be considered equal to Arkansas that year but you weren't.
You didn't quite catch the point. I am not comparing the level of the teams, but the situation. Arkansas won NEITHER of the two major polls of the day. Resting a national championship claim on the FWAA is weak, almost as weak as resting a national championship claim on the Houlgate (as in 1941 Alabama).
You should note that I also compared them to 1966 Bama - a team which, in most people's minds outside the Midwest, clearly had the best case for being national champions that year, but did not win it because they did not capture the top spot in the polls.
All of these are to give perspective on a rather simple point - the national champions of a given year is not based on the best team or the best record. It is based on getting the top spot in the polls. In 1964, Arkansas may have been the best team this side of Pluto, but they were not awarded the top spot in the coaches OR the AP polls.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 2:32 pm to Crimson Legend
You REALLY need to educate yourself if you're comparing the FWAA to the fricking Houlgate System.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 7/30/14 at 3:18 pm to Korin
"Almost as weak" is what I said, and I stick by that.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 4:44 pm to Crimson Legend
Posted on 7/30/14 at 4:47 pm to hogminer
Delusional
Posted on 7/30/14 at 4:50 pm to Korin
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Korin
He only used those because his "People's National Championship" trophy hadn't been delivered from Opelika yet. :)
Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:13 pm to Crimson Legend
It's no different from y'all claiming 1926, 30, and 34. The major poll back then (Dickinson System) awarded their trophy to Stanford, Notre Dame, and Minnesota.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:16 pm to GeorgeReymond
I didn't realize the conference (or at least 3 programs) had such a big can of whoopass in gymnastics, 18 of the last 27 NC's. 
Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:45 pm to Korin
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It's no different from y'all claiming 1926, 30, and 34. The major poll back then (Dickinson System) awarded their trophy to Stanford, Notre Dame, and Minnesota
You're the first person I have ever seen claim that Dickinson was "the major poll back then". If you are trying to say that the Dickinson in 1926 was the clear standard the way the AP/UPI was in 1964, you'll find precious few people backing that statement up.
That was the very first year of Dickinson, which chose an undefeated Stanford #1, and the undefeated Alabama team which tied them somewhere around seventh. In 1964, the AP had been around for 18 years, and the UPI 14 years. Not anywhere near the same level of credibility as the inaugural Dickinson.
There is no clear way to "prove" a side in this argument. That's why there are so many debates. Ultimately, I find it hard to accept a claim to a national championship in 1964 when neither major poll awarded it to you. Two years later, those same two polls went against us, and we have to accept that regardless of how political/screw job we Bama fans believe it was.
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