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re: Ancestral geneology of SEC people
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:25 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:25 am to Porter Osborne Jr
The eastern territory of Prussia was full of Poles...the Mongols didn't exactly conquer and hold that territory either.
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:29 am to See5
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I'm of African descent. A few white people sprinkled in on my mon's side but other than that, don't know much pre-1900. The system pretty much erased most of my ancestors' history.
You're like my opposite. I'm mostly white and supposedly indian (native american) with a sprinkling of black ancestry. The only reason I know of my black heritage is because one side carries an exceptionaly unusual surname (seriously only a handful of people carry the name and most all are now mostly black) but the surname made it so I found that not only were we here since colonial days but also that we were listed on the Free People of Color Rolls/free black founding families. We descend from a a free black man and white indentured servant woman and fled for the maroon zone/safe zone of the mountains of E. TN.
Unlike the vast majority of white folks, this is the only heritage I'm certain of so I wouldn't be surprised if my family didn't pass as white on more than one side, especially given where we were located. My family (both SIDES!) claims not to know our heritage but various surnames indicate continued marriage to light-skinned multiracial people for a long time (though it's hard to say for sure on that count). I also found that a black genealogy website listed my mom as a blood relative - giving her age and where she was born (a tiny place).
I really do wish I knew more.
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 12:32 am
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:50 am to roadhouse
Meh, I'm just messing with you man. It's always fun to brush up on my history though. 
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:17 am to Prof
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German influence is more westward but still prominent in the East.
Large German migration into ETenn post revolutionary war. Most move down when TN was still part of NC through the Shenandoah Valley into the counties that now border NC. They were still speaking German well into the later 1800's. The German communities supported the State of Franklin and supported becoming their own state in support of the Union since they did not support slavery. Same for the others in the areas and why most units in ETN fighting during Civil War fought for the North.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:53 am to TideWarrior
^Had know idea it was that large back then. I knew it was sizable enough to matter but didn't know that.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 2:26 am to Harry Rex Vonner
This whole thread is full of shite.
You talk about "SEC people" and it's all about German, Irish, Italian... how about the people that actually make up a majority of our rosters; you know, non-white people? If "SEC people" were just what y'all have talked about, we'd be getting our butts kicked like it was pre-1970 all over again.
We all known the SEC dominates in football, and it ain't because of Anglo-saxons. Just remember that when you talk about SEC people.
You talk about "SEC people" and it's all about German, Irish, Italian... how about the people that actually make up a majority of our rosters; you know, non-white people? If "SEC people" were just what y'all have talked about, we'd be getting our butts kicked like it was pre-1970 all over again.
We all known the SEC dominates in football, and it ain't because of Anglo-saxons. Just remember that when you talk about SEC people.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 2:30 am to Tiger the Hutt
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and it ain't because of Anglo-saxons.
The money had to come from somewhere.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 2:38 am to HempHead
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The money had to come from somewhere.
I bet that sounded a lot more clever in your head, huh?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 2:50 am to Tiger the Hutt
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This whole thread is full of shite.
You talk about "SEC people" and it's all about German, Irish, Italian... how about the people that actually make up a majority of our rosters; you know, non-white people? If "SEC people" were just what y'all have talked about, we'd be getting our butts kicked like it was pre-1970 all over again.
We all known the SEC dominates in football, and it ain't because of Anglo-saxons. Just remember that when you talk about SEC people.
I wholeheartedly agree. It's one of the reasons I try to point out the diversity that exists and the influence that so many had on our culture. The East, in particular, has gotten swallowed up in the myth that the Scots and Irish and Scots-Irish did everything but while that influence was important it was never the only one. Other cultures have been erased and it's always pissed me off that we (and the US in general) has equated "Southern" almost exclusively with white males - that ignores tons of history and a lot of the demographic reality of the deep south and even the cultural influences in places with lower diversity in terms of raw numbers.
IMHO, we're all southern and it's past damn time we start acknowledging that the term isn't exclusive to white males of a certain ideology - that goes for what the North perpetuates too.
It's so wrong to pretend only a certain culture or color had influence - doesn't matter what the reason. That said, I disagree with the notion that black players are what make us dominate (in any kind of ethnic/racial sense) - so much goes into that and poverty/class escape plays a role as does obsession before it was hayseeds whose only way out was FB now black folks who have the talent see it as a way out. Limited options produce this as much as anything else as dedicating yourself to football beyond HS isn't exactly easy - it's a painful sport with little payoff for most players but if it's seen as one of the few ways out/few ways to make a great living it becomes far more attractive. There are other factors but that perception/motivation is a big one that can't be discounted.
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 3:15 am
Posted on 7/26/14 at 2:53 am to Tiger the Hutt
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I bet that sounded a lot more clever in your head, huh?
I said it out loud and laughed hysterically! Maniacally, even.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 2:55 am to Prof
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It's so wrong to pretend only a certain culture or color had influence - doesn't matter what the reason.
Cosigned
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IMHO, we're all southern
Ok, now I'm offended
Some of us are Texan
Posted on 7/26/14 at 3:01 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Ok, now I'm offended
Some of us are Texan
You know I truly considered saying Southern and/or Texan but decided against it because we have more in common than not.Posted on 7/26/14 at 3:01 am to Prof
Well said.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 3:04 am to Prof
Of course I'm just messing with ya
Texas ain't the South, tho. Shared history notwithstanding. Just a different vibe to the state that I can't even really explain.
Basically, we're weird
Texas ain't the South, tho. Shared history notwithstanding. Just a different vibe to the state that I can't even really explain.
Basically, we're weird
Posted on 7/26/14 at 3:05 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Some of us are Texan
Yeah, our heritage is a whole other thread, unto itself.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 3:11 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Of course I'm just messing with ya
Texas ain't the South, tho. Shared history notwithstanding. Just a different vibe to the state that I can't even really explain.
Basically, we're weird
I blame Tennessee for the weirdness even though our weirdness is different. We sent you far too many curmudgeony Tennesseans looking for freeeeeeeedom! Tis all good though. Errbody has to have that relative who is so much like you but so different at the same time. :D
Posted on 7/26/14 at 3:13 am to Prof
Yes, Tennessee is directly complicit in the rise of the craziness that is Texas.
What were y'all thinking?
And EKG, too right!
What were y'all thinking?
And EKG, too right!
Posted on 7/26/14 at 3:18 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Yes, Tennessee is directly complicit in the rise of the craziness that is Texas.
What were y'all thinking?
At the time, it seemed like a good idea. Plus we're weird ourselves and probably never were (nor are we now) in a very good position to recognize the level of weird we helped create.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 3:22 am to Prof
Game recognize game?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 3:25 am to TbirdSpur2010
There's a lot of truth to that. We bad but I like to think it's all in a good kinda way.
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