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re: For the most part Steve Spurrier has done a good job keeping USC players in line

Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:48 pm to
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:48 pm to
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Obviously location or his size don't make something a felony by law.


You stated the opposite. in fact thats how this debate started.
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if he had beat her in public, he would have been charged with a felony,

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If a 6'2" 215 lb strong man beats a girl, in public or in private, they will be charged with felony domestic violence.


just saying

"really beating" someone doesnt necessarily make a felony either

Im out its friday, see yall on monday
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:49 pm to
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He struck, beat, pushed, open-palm punched, assaulted, battered, whatever word you want to use.

Those mean different things. I suppose shove, push, and the all-encompassing "struck" work in this case.
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He plead guilty to battery,

Simple battery - per Wikipedia "any form of non-consentual harmful or insulting contact, regardless of the injury caused."

That can mean a lot of things.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:49 pm to
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I think this works better when your link works.


What link? I didn't post a link. Didn't think I needed to. I'm sure you are familiar with it. Here it is in case you are not familiar with it. Just for the record I was not familiar with it and had not heard about it. just came across it.....the article says it was updated on June 6, 2014....don't know when it actually happened, but it says something about May. I'm not trying to put stuff off on SouCar. I agree with the OP that as a whole, SouCar seems to keep their program pretty clean. Good for y'all! (Honestly)
Just wanted to point out if you want to talk about troubles Georgia has, your program is not totally without sin, either.

LINK

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No school is innocent, Vandy proved that last year.


Agreed. For anybody to point fingers at another school is dumb. While it is true that some schools have stricter rules for certain transgressions than others, none are clean.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:51 pm to
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You stated the opposite. in fact thats how this debate started.

The key word in all of those is "beat."
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:58 pm to
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I feel like you're going to ask me to define the word, "is" next. Clinton tried this too.


Keep in mind...he got away with it, too.

How about this one?

"I did not have sexual relations that woman!"
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 2:58 pm
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:59 pm to
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What link? I didn't post a link. Didn't think I needed to. I'm sure you are familiar with it. Here it is in case you are not familiar with it. Just for the record I was not familiar with it and had not heard about it. just came across it.....the article says it was updated on June 6, 2014....don't know when it actually happened, but it says something about May. I'm not trying to put stuff off on SouCar. I agree with the OP that as a whole, SouCar seems to keep their program pretty clean. Good for y'all! (Honestly)
Just wanted to point out if you want to talk about troubles Georgia has, your program is not totally without sin, either.



In your last post, there was a box, looked like you had tried to put in a link or pic.

That incident was in '12, he wasn't even part of the team then.
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A spokesman with the athletic department says Davis was informed well before this incident that his scholarship would not be renewed.


Also, he was never found or plead guilty either. So that's a big difference.

https://www.wach.com/news/story.aspx?id=768538#.U9K18IBdV_Q
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 3:00 pm to
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Keep in mind...he got away with it, too.

How about this one?

"I did not have sexual relations that woman!"



He was a bastard, but a smart bastard.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 3:00 pm
Posted by tigerbait2010
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 3:04 pm to
Somewhere Stephen Garcia just exhaled a huge bong rip, nodding in agreement with your assessment
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 3:05 pm to
He didn't beat her up....he simply pushed her away with his fist.....he got charged because by coincidence the girl's face swole up and her nose started bleeding, but that happens all the time....and then he was suspended because they have a team policy not to date girls who have swolley faces and bleeding noses....
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 3:07 pm to
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team policy not to date girls who have swolley faces


at the way you wrote that, not lol'ing at the girl getting beat.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 3:07 pm to
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In your last post, there was a box, looked like you had tried to put in a link or pic.

That incident was in '12, he wasn't even part of the team then.


Yes. I just went back and found that it happened in 2012. However, he was set to be a 5th year senior, but apparently was not going to have his scholly renewed. As I said...no program is clean enough to point fingers. None. Including Vandy, as you pointed out. (Who'd of thought Vandy would be in THIS conversation! )

I thought about starting a serious thread asking about this....but I know serious threads rarely do well here at the Rant.

Some schools DO seem to have most if not all of their dirty laundry aired out. You have to think that kids being what they are (Immature, entitled, etc) that this stuff goes on at all the schools a WHOLE lot more than what is reported. So...why does it seem some schools come out front and center as having more kids getting in trouble. Georgia has a lot that get into trouble...but in fairness, MOST of the time it is small stuff in comparison. Auburn and Alabama has had relatively fewer reported...but some of those have been armed robbery, assault etc.

A&M is getting hit lately as is Tennessee, while South Carolina and Missouri usually flies under the radar. I think as a whole discipline is probably handled similarly, so why do some schools APPEAR to have more problems than others?

Got an opinion?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 3:09 pm to
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He was a bastard, but a smart bastard.



True. But politics have gotten SO polarized today, that no matter what a Democrat does all the Dems will defend him. And no matter what a Republican does all the GOP's will defend him. Not much accountability going on it seems. A subject for another board, though, I guess.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 3:12 pm to

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Auburn and Alabama has had relatively fewer reported...


Cops that arrest them, get fired. They got things on lock.

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Got an opinion?


Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 3:14 pm to


Ok. We were having a relatively sane conversation. Something way to odd and way to rare on the Rant. I should have known you were drunk!

Maybe we can pick it up some other time when you are a bit more clear headed?
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
9121 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 3:23 pm to
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Yes. I just went back and found that it happened in 2012. However, he was set to be a 5th year senior, but apparently was not going to have his scholly renewed. As I said...no program is clean enough to point fingers. None. Including Vandy, as you pointed out. (Who'd of thought Vandy would be in THIS conversation! )

I thought about starting a serious thread asking about this....but I know serious threads rarely do well here at the Rant.

Some schools DO seem to have most if not all of their dirty laundry aired out. You have to think that kids being what they are (Immature, entitled, etc) that this stuff goes on at all the schools a WHOLE lot more than what is reported. So...why does it seem some schools come out front and center as having more kids getting in trouble. Georgia has a lot that get into trouble...but in fairness, MOST of the time it is small stuff in comparison. Auburn and Alabama has had relatively fewer reported...but some of those have been armed robbery, assault etc.

A&M is getting hit lately as is Tennessee, while South Carolina and Missouri usually flies under the radar. I think as a whole discipline is probably handled similarly, so why do some schools APPEAR to have more problems than others?

Got an opinion?


IMO it has to do with better recruiting/evaluating kids out of HS to ensure that they are good kids from good families, and then maintaining a constant and close relationship with those kids that are recruited into the program: identifying team leaders of good character and giving them responsibility to keep the younger players in line and teach them the proper way to be teammates.

IMO Spurrier has always had a good bead on having disciplined teams, even before coming to USC. In his early years in Columbia, USC had a ton of issues, arrests, team/school violations, etc. etc. It was a slow but steady process for SOS and his staff to improve team character, and we just happen to be at the apex of their efforts.

And there's no "agreements" with any PDs around Columbia/USC. The Columbia PD not only has a history of giving ZERO leniency towards USC student-athletes, but the general opinion has been that they seem to target them. And the local news media had reports out of arrests within minutes of them happening, it always seemed. I'm glad for the extended period of silence from the law enforcement, and hope it continues....
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 3:44 pm to
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IMO it has to do with better recruiting/evaluating kids out of HS to ensure that they are good kids from good families, and then maintaining a constant and close relationship with those kids that are recruited into the program: identifying team leaders of good character and giving them responsibility to keep the younger players in line and teach them the proper way to be teammates.



I tend to agree. I think some teams have a better feel for how close to get and stay. You can't smother the kids...they have to learn at some point how to function on their own...but you can't cut them completely loose, too. I think Georgia has started a new mentoring program on the team. I am hoping this solves a lot of our problems.

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IMO Spurrier has always had a good bead on having disciplined teams,


I am different from most Georgia fans, in that I actually like Spurrier. I've heard a lot of good things about him.


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And there's no "agreements" with any PDs around Columbia/USC.


No. I would be surprised if there were. However, I would be surprised if SOME PD's did not show more lenience to football players. Cops are human, too, and can be fans. Not saying this about South Carolina....just making a general comment.

Then you have just the opposite...when a department looks at athletes as entitled snobs and try to find things to get them on. I honestly tend to think this about the Athens PD. When a kid gets into trouble and it is blasted all over the news because he is driving a scooter without a license...well....
Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
5956 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:35 pm to
Here's a good overview of how much Victor Hampton was kept in check at USCe:

LINK

Oh, and SPurrier is no better or worse than any other coach. A metric shite-tonne of crap was allowed to slide in Gainesville under his watch. He just talks a good game.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:54 pm to
The ole boy coach has done a hell of a job for you guys. IF LSU cant win it and If you win the SEC this year I am not crying one bit.

It is a full time job now and will be until we can bring back athletic dorms
Posted by GoldenDawg
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Member since Oct 2013
19069 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:33 pm to
For the most part, Steve Spurrier is a giant douche, recognized as such throughout the land.

And he's one of the best college coaches in recent memory at simply looking the other way. So if he has no clue what his players are really up to off the field, it's by conscious choice and sheer lack of effort. His program in Florida was dirty as shite, but he was very good at making sure he never knew anything about it. He admits to being a lazy coach in terms of the time he puts into the job, and that is certainly part of it.

Unfortunately for the c*ck fan, though, unlike his time with the gators, his slack-arse way with checking on his players' actions off the field has yet to result in even one championship.

So - congrats?
Posted by ugastudent
Member since Mar 2012
1337 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:42 pm to
LINK

Is this Spurrier's secret to keeping his kids out of trouble?
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