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re: 3* DE Marques Ford commits to VOLS

Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:41 pm to
Posted by Legendary0903
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:41 pm to
Coaching ability is yet to be determined, primarily the x's and the o's. The staff has coaches that are more than proven talent evaluators.
Posted by UTVols2618
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:52 pm to
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Butch has not done anything to make me believe he is some great talent evaluator. He has done a good job of recruiting elite guys, but what has he shown that makes you confident in his ability to evaluate/coach guys up?


I watched him a lot at Cincy since I gamble on football games. He recruited and developed a lot of guys there and even CMU. Justin Wolf, Kenbrell Thompkins, Antonio Brown, Isaih Pead, and Travis Kelce are players off the top of my head that he developed and are doing well in the NFL.
Also Tubbs did well with his players last year, took UL to overtime.

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Neither Mixon or Humphreys have played a down of college football yet, so not sure that is a good example. Ahmad Paige and Jacques Smith were great spring players too.

The fans are in love with Butch, but he did a very mediocre job coaching last year.


Thats true, but the same can be said about Hurd or any other freshmen looking good. I'm just saying as of right now, Mixon is looking pretty good.

Mediocre is pushing it. I'm sure he wishes he could have UF or Vandy back, but he did well enough to win 8-9 games if he had decent players. I don't know if he can get to consistent 10 win seasons, but I'm quite confident he will at least average 8 wins a year. He has wins against Strong, Marrone, Dantonio, Spurrier, Franklin, and Schiano with on par or less talent. He is at least a decent in game coach.
Posted by MenloDawg
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:56 pm to
What # are y'all at now? In the low 20s? Does anybody have any clue how many y'all can take?
Posted by UTVols2618
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:00 am to
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What # are y'all at now? In the low 20s? Does anybody have any clue how many y'all can take?


Butch is known for being a little unethical when it comes to number crunching. He will cut a guy a week before signing day to get who he wants in. I'm predicting around 6 guys won't be on that commitment list 5 months from now.
Posted by BigOrangeBri
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:03 am to
They're saying 24 to 25. Right now we're at 21. Word from "insiders" is that we'll tell 3 or 4 to look around. So we have 3 to 7 spots left
Posted by MenloDawg
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:08 am to
Thanks for the responses. I was just genuinely curious. I don't think it effects UGA much b/c I think the only two head to head battles we currently have for uncommitted prospects are Abernathy and Jefferson. Still, I was interested. It will be intriguing to see how it shakes out down the stretch.
Posted by BigOrangeBri
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:15 am to
Don't forget Sweat
Posted by MenloDawg
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:18 am to
Aaaah, yes, true. Everything I've read has made it seem like a UGA/VT battle, but I know he has visited UT, FSU, and OSU as well.
Posted by NorthGAVol
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:48 am to
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They're saying 24 to 25. Right now we're at 21. Word from "insiders" is that we'll tell 3 or 4 to look around. So we have 3 to 7 spots left


There's about 6 on our commit list that I would tell GTFO if it means landing some of the elite talent that we are in on.
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 7:08 am to
3star u.
Posted by 1234567VFL
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 8:25 am to
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3star u.


It seems that way right now, but We'll have to wait until signing day to validate it.
Posted by dallasga6
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:01 am to
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I'm predicting around 6 guys won't be on that commitment list 5 months from now.

How do you think this is gonna work out down the line? did the same last year too, right?...Sounds like your gonna have at least 6 HS Coaches sending future recruits elsewhere...


and "IF" this is true...
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Butch is known for being a little unethical when it comes to number crunching. He will cut a guy a week before signing day to get who he wants in.

Aren't you worried that in a year or two, if this tactic continues, so many bridges will be burnt (HS football Coaches are a fraternity, they know each other, talk to each other constantly & have long memories) from cutting kids after they've committed that UT's name will be mud with HS Coaches across the south?

Just curious what you think the long term consequences of a strategy like this will mean UT?...
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 10:04 am
Posted by UTVols2618
Knoxville, Tennessee
Member since Feb 2012
773 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:24 am to
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How do you think this is gonna work out down the line? did the same last year too, right?...Sounds like your gonna have at least 6 HS Coaches sending future recruits elsewhere...


Every coach does it, it is what it is. He wouldn't do it to an instate school and he can always word it to give a benefit of a doubt. He told Sterling Johnson when he wanted to commit that players moved to his position so that have to make sure he is what they need now.

They told Jerome Dews linebacker is looking good so they will have to see how he can play at safety.

Kevin Mouhon visited Cincinnati and they told him its best for both parties to move on.

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Aren't you worried that in a year or two, if this tactic continues, so many bridges will be burnt (HS football Coaches are a fraternity, they know each other, talk to each other constantly & have long memories) from cutting kids after they've committed that UT's name will be mud with HS Coaches across the south?

Just curious what you think the long term consequences of a strategy like this will mean UT?...


I'm pretty sure it was MUS, where Drew Richmond plays, that banned Mark Elder and Butch from the school. There is nothing words can't fix, and high school coaches think they have more control over their players recruitment than they actually do. A player will go to a school he likes. Jabo Lee's coach in South Carolina said he won't send any players to play for Butch, but we will see how long that last. Some relationships can be fixed, some can't.

If Butch wins big, its not going to matter. Saban does it all the time, but no coach would actually stop their kid from playing under Saban
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 11:25 am
Posted by BigOrangeBri
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 4:51 pm to
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3star u.


This guy's one of the biggest tards on this site. After the opening I said Kahlil was gonna move way up in the rankings. TT called me an idiot. 3 days later Kahlil is moved to #1 on one service and #2 on another. Who's the idiot now cocklicker?
Posted by dallasga6
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 5:19 pm to
How many & which players from the state of Ga. do you expect CBJ to tell to look elsewhere?? TIA...
Posted by volfan30
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 5:22 pm to
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How many & which players from the state of Ga. do you expect CBJ to tell to look elsewhere?? TIA...



None imo.

I don't see how they're going to tell many to GTFO. The long snapper Lovingood may be told to walk on and Jaylond Woods and Stephen Griffin could maybe be on the cut line.

Bruce is our worst commit, but he is from Knoxville. I don't see any other candidates.
Posted by dallasga6
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 5:49 pm to
Danny Parker(Scout-Insider)on Scout-Volchat said...
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Tennessee won't backcount this class. The magic number of NLI's is 24 as of right now. Devaun Swafford's going on scholarship counts toward the 2015 group.
Per Parker counting Swafford you are sitting at 23 committs right now. Is Scout insider Danny Parker full of shite or do you currently only have one spot left unless you boot kids?

If Parker is FOS why do you think so?? TIA

Parkers Quotes in 2nd post in this thread...
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 5:53 pm
Posted by volfan30
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 6:00 pm to
We will find a way, but I'm not sure how.

Tuttle, Richmond, Jefferson, Phillips, Sapp all definitely have spots. Ordway as well if he qualifies.
Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 6:30 pm to
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Per Parker counting Swafford you are sitting at 23 committs right now. Is Scout insider Danny Parker full of shite or do you currently only have one spot left unless you boot kids?


It'll be interesting to see how the numbers workout down the stretch. I know Woods has grade concerns and may go juco. Also Bruce will probably be preferred walk on.

We will take at least 3 more IMO
Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
12245 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:10 pm to
247 just moved him up to #12 SDE he was ranked #43. It looks like this was a good pickup after all. Butch knows what he's doing.
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