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re: College Football Playoff’s secret sauce will be ‘common sense’
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:27 pm to Nicolae
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:27 pm to Nicolae
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Trying to say that UF would have gone over us is looking at the situation from anything but a common sense point of view.
Common sense is anything but objective, which was my point. Some committee members would say, "well it's quite clear that UF played a more difficult schedule...they lost to UGA, but they also beat x teams. Meanwhile, UGA was destroyed by Carolina and the only other game they had to get up for." I'm not saying it's correct, because I thought we were better than UF, but I honestly do not know which the committee would choose.
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I don't understand your reasoning saying that sending UGA makes the SECCG not matter
If they choose us, then why the hell would we play the SECCG anyway? We were going to make the playoff, win or lose, so why bother with the injury possibility? Why play another ridiculously difficult game that alters our mental state or exposes us in some way? Sacrifice a national championship to win a conference title? No thanks.
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:30 pm to Nicolae
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6 is the magic number, IMO. People argue that the regular season doesn't matter, but with 6 teams, you add importance back to it. Seeding matters more then, because there is a 2nd-round bye that goes to the highest remaining seed. You need to do well in the regular season so that you can be seeded highly and improve the chance you'll be in the top 4 with a shot at the 2nd round bye. Also can hold the 1st round at the higher school's home field to add even more importance to getting a higher seed.
To add to this real quick, the playoff should never go 6 teams. That is enough and anymore would be too many. It is going to be hard enough in most years to argue why team #4 (and 5 and 6) deserve even the opportunity to play for the national title, but can you recall a single season in your entire life that #7 or 8 had a legit gripe that they should have been or at least had a shot at the national championship?
Forget about 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16. If you couldn't get ranked higher than that in the regular season, you do not deserve it to even be argued that you should have an opportunity to play for #1.
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:39 pm to Nicolae
8 is perfect actually, it doesn't diminish the regular season and keeps the power of corruption low.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 4:07 am to Chris_topher
This 4+1 model isn't a true playoff is it? Aren't they just taking some bowl games and re-branding them as playoff games and adding a final event as the marquee match.
I thought the BCS system did a pretty fair job in getting the championship event lined up every year but, was hamstrung by the Rose Bowl syndicate which fricked up everything else.
The Rose Bowl syndicate is lying on its back now in a Pasadena morgue and rightfully so and CFB is better off going forward than it was before regardless if this current system is kept or scrapped in 2016.
I personally think it will be scrapped and we get the BCS back unhindered in allowing the lesser bowls to make much better match selections which is what we wanted all along.
Or the Atlanta-fication and NHL jersey wearing bunch will take over the sport and turn it into another Buffalo Wild wings tent circus.
I thought the BCS system did a pretty fair job in getting the championship event lined up every year but, was hamstrung by the Rose Bowl syndicate which fricked up everything else.
The Rose Bowl syndicate is lying on its back now in a Pasadena morgue and rightfully so and CFB is better off going forward than it was before regardless if this current system is kept or scrapped in 2016.
I personally think it will be scrapped and we get the BCS back unhindered in allowing the lesser bowls to make much better match selections which is what we wanted all along.
Or the Atlanta-fication and NHL jersey wearing bunch will take over the sport and turn it into another Buffalo Wild wings tent circus.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 4:33 am to BarberitosDawg
If we had the play-off system in 2012, there is no way they would pick Florida over Georgia. I could understand if UGA went into the SECCG and got smashed by 20+ points. Then I would understand UF jumping UGA in the standings, but there is no way you can tell me losing by 5 yards and 4 points to the #2 team is worthy of being jumped by a team that UGA defeated just a month before. Strength of schedule wouldn't matter then.
That wouldn't diminish any rivalry or any conference championship game.
Also, we all know CFB is in it for the money and the more teams we add to the play-off system, the more bowls will be involved since they would essentially lose a higher quality team if you play the beginning round(s) at a college campus instead of the bowl host stadium. If the bowls get their play-off games, then how would a #8 seed feel playing essentially 3 away games, more than likely in 2-3 different states or even regions of the US, and have the fanbase have to travel as well with overpriced tickets?
I say 4 teams is good enough. When was the last time a #5 or #6 team that won their conference had any valid argument to be included into the NCG? We all know this system will be
1. SEC champ
2 & 3. Two best conference champs from the other major conferences
4. 1-loss SEC team, undefeated from a lower conference, best 1-loss team if no 1-loss SEC team.
That wouldn't diminish any rivalry or any conference championship game.
Also, we all know CFB is in it for the money and the more teams we add to the play-off system, the more bowls will be involved since they would essentially lose a higher quality team if you play the beginning round(s) at a college campus instead of the bowl host stadium. If the bowls get their play-off games, then how would a #8 seed feel playing essentially 3 away games, more than likely in 2-3 different states or even regions of the US, and have the fanbase have to travel as well with overpriced tickets?
I say 4 teams is good enough. When was the last time a #5 or #6 team that won their conference had any valid argument to be included into the NCG? We all know this system will be
1. SEC champ
2 & 3. Two best conference champs from the other major conferences
4. 1-loss SEC team, undefeated from a lower conference, best 1-loss team if no 1-loss SEC team.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 5:53 am to Shockley03
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I say 4 teams is good enough. When was the last time a #5 or #6 team that won their conference had any valid argument to be included into the NCG?
I agree with this thought. I'm OK with 4 (not without some doubt) only because of what happened to a team like AU in 2004.
If you can't get in the top 4, you don't deserve a chance at the national championship.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 6:46 am to dawgfan24348
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2007 2004 2012 2003 2011 Just off the top of my head
What controversy was there in 2012? Bama and Notre Dame were clear cut. Who else were people discussing?
In fact, 2012 is a good example of why the BCS is better for college football than an expanded playoff because there would have been extreme controversy that year if a committee had to pick 4,8 or more teams. The top two were unquestionable.
I'm actually ok with the four team playoff but anything past that will water down the best regular season in sports.
I also wish playoff advocates would drop the idea that there will somehow be less controversy under a playoff system. That is completely laughable.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 6:59 am to Chris_topher
Where do those of us fit in who want to go back to the AP and UPI/Coaches Poll days?
Posted on 7/11/14 at 8:04 am to Dawg in Beaumont
You really believe Notre Dame was the second best?
No what's laughable is people thinking playoffs are a bad idea.
Who the frick cares if it makes the regular season less important? I'd rather have a true champion. The regular season argument is absolutely idiotic
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That is completely laughable.
No what's laughable is people thinking playoffs are a bad idea.
Who the frick cares if it makes the regular season less important? I'd rather have a true champion. The regular season argument is absolutely idiotic
Posted on 7/11/14 at 8:06 am to dawgfan24348
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You really believe Notre Dame was the second best?
No, UGA was, but UGA got their shot at Alabama in the SECCG. That was just like a playoff.
Don't act like that was unfair.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 8:11 am to dawgfan24348
Notre Dame was over rated, but who was gonna go ahead of them? The BCS had controversies, but 2012 was absolutely not one of them. You're reaching big time there.
If you think the argument that college football's regular season is unique and should be protected is idiotic, you really don't get the sport at all.
If you think the argument that college football's regular season is unique and should be protected is idiotic, you really don't get the sport at all.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 8:13 am to dawgfan24348
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Who the frick cares if it makes the regular season less important?
Our views of the sport are extremely different.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 8:42 am to Dawg in Beaumont
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If you think the argument that college football's regular season is unique and should be protected is idiotic, you really don't get the sport at all.
This.
It's the value of the regular season that makes Michigan's melt down against App State, the Kick-Off Classic, Rivalry Week, etc. so damn special. It's the reason why the growing trend of parity brought on by improvements in the non-AQ schools and OOC scheduling has become so important. Personally, I had hoped that RPI/SoS would become more important - that the powers that be would focus on improving the ranking formulas. That would have made the BCS and/or its evolutionary successor something truly unique in sport. It's why I always have loved college football more than any other sport out there. The playoff system is just going to create a paradigm that is ho-hum and not at all the glorious thing college football once was.
This post was edited on 7/11/14 at 8:44 am
Posted on 7/11/14 at 9:02 am to JacketFan77
I don't think the problem is going to be in the SEC. It will be very hard to keep a 1 loss SEC team out, even if there are other undefeated teams.
My problem is the "committee". I just don't see it always shaking out the way it should, but on the flip side there will only be one team that can truly get angry at a committee's decision: the 5th team (If they are undefeated team). If you expect to get have a shot at the national championship and you aren't in the top 5 to close the season, you are in the wrong sport.
With the BCS, even though they probably got it right more times than not, there were always at least 3, maybe 4-5, you could say were head and shoulders above everyone else but the differences between them were more a matter of opinion.
I think 4 is good middle ground, IF the committee proves to be a good decider of fate.
My problem is the "committee". I just don't see it always shaking out the way it should, but on the flip side there will only be one team that can truly get angry at a committee's decision: the 5th team (If they are undefeated team). If you expect to get have a shot at the national championship and you aren't in the top 5 to close the season, you are in the wrong sport.
With the BCS, even though they probably got it right more times than not, there were always at least 3, maybe 4-5, you could say were head and shoulders above everyone else but the differences between them were more a matter of opinion.
I think 4 is good middle ground, IF the committee proves to be a good decider of fate.
This post was edited on 7/11/14 at 9:04 am
Posted on 7/11/14 at 9:20 am to Chris_topher
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College Football Playoff’s secret sauce will be ‘common sense’
Translation: a completely subjective/partisan selection committee/cluster frick.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 9:52 am to Crowknowsbest
Did I say anything about us?
Playoffs do little to the regular season and give more a chance to find a true champion.
The playoffs weed out the pretenders and show the true contenders.
No more will a team run the table on a weak schedule and play for a natty.
You want to be the best you make it through the playoffs and not some shitty schedule with three ranked teams
Playoffs do little to the regular season and give more a chance to find a true champion.
The playoffs weed out the pretenders and show the true contenders.
No more will a team run the table on a weak schedule and play for a natty.
You want to be the best you make it through the playoffs and not some shitty schedule with three ranked teams
Posted on 7/11/14 at 10:01 am to dawgfan24348
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Who the frick cares if it makes the regular season less important? I'd rather have a true champion. The regular season argument is absolutely idiotic
You are the poster child for the Atlanta-fication of college football..........
Posted on 7/11/14 at 10:26 am to dawgfan24348
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You want to be the best you make it through the playoffs and not some shitty schedule with three ranked teams
On the flip side, if you want to be the best you should win all your games, not just the last four.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 10:45 am to Crowknowsbest
The SEC East is a division of college football.. Win the East and play for the SEC Championship... Win the SEC Championship & play for the National Championship.
How does it not get any more simpler than that?
If you wanna try to complicate things & justify a playoff position... remember the Dawgs have lost to UCF, Mich. State, Nebraska, Florida got spanked by Louisville.. Bama was waxed by Utah & Oklahoma... WIN YOUR FCKN CHAMPIONSHIP
How does it not get any more simpler than that?
If you wanna try to complicate things & justify a playoff position... remember the Dawgs have lost to UCF, Mich. State, Nebraska, Florida got spanked by Louisville.. Bama was waxed by Utah & Oklahoma... WIN YOUR FCKN CHAMPIONSHIP
This post was edited on 7/11/14 at 10:51 am
Posted on 7/11/14 at 11:02 am to Chris_topher
College Football Playoff Order Ranking Cheat Sheet
1. Undefeated SEC Champion
2. 1 loss SEC Champion
3. Undefeated ACC Champion (including ND)
4. Undefeated PAC Champion
5. Undefeated BIG X Champion
6. Undefeated BIG XII Champion (note: no championship game)
7. 1 loss SEC team that did not play in the SEC Championship
8. 2 loss SEC team that did not play in the SEC Championship
9. 1 loss ACC Champion
10. 1 loss PAC Champion
11. etc.
12. etc.
13. etc...
1. Undefeated SEC Champion
2. 1 loss SEC Champion
3. Undefeated ACC Champion (including ND)
4. Undefeated PAC Champion
5. Undefeated BIG X Champion
6. Undefeated BIG XII Champion (note: no championship game)
7. 1 loss SEC team that did not play in the SEC Championship
8. 2 loss SEC team that did not play in the SEC Championship
9. 1 loss ACC Champion
10. 1 loss PAC Champion
11. etc.
12. etc.
13. etc...
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