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Posted on 6/20/14 at 10:07 pm to Jefferson Dawg
No, 1500
Elevation and air will not make a difference. We've been whipping Texas Techs arse since 1957.
Arkansas is 15-2 in Lubbock, TX.
This game isn't in Denver at 6000 feet
Elevation and air will not make a difference. We've been whipping Texas Techs arse since 1957.
Arkansas is 15-2 in Lubbock, TX.
This game isn't in Denver at 6000 feet
Posted on 6/20/14 at 10:15 pm to Hawgeye
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This game isn't in Denver at 6000 feet
Actually, Denver is a little over 5,000 feet of elevation. Which is only 1,500 feet higher than Lubbock. But 3,800 feet higher than Fayettville....
Posted on 6/20/14 at 11:46 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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I’d probably set the line at Texas Tech -7.5 based on elevation/relative-oxygen-levels alone
3,500 feet isn't high altitude. You are overstating your case.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 11:54 pm to Stonehog
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3,500 feet isn't high altitude. You are overstating your case.
Maybe not in your estimation, but I study these angles routinely and respectfully disagree.
Just trying to add some Science into the debate. Take it or leave it...................
Posted on 6/20/14 at 11:56 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Do you consider 3,500 feet high elevation?
Lubbock is at 3,256 feet above sea level, btw. It would be practically impossible to get altitude sickness at that height, especially for 20 year old kids who are in top shape.
Lubbock is at 3,256 feet above sea level, btw. It would be practically impossible to get altitude sickness at that height, especially for 20 year old kids who are in top shape.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:02 am to Stonehog
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Do you consider 3,500 feet high elevation?
Everything is relative............
I never said anything about "altitude sickness".
Example: Train for a marathon in Fayettville, Arkansas.............but then go run it in Lubbock, Texas.....................
and then get back to me.
I'm sorry, but Oxygen molecule absorption rates will play a factor in this one. Texas Tech -7 is a fair line.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:03 am to Jefferson Dawg
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I'm sorry, but Oxygen molecule absorption rates will play a factor in this one
LOL
Posted on 6/21/14 at 1:49 am to Jefferson Dawg
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I'm sorry, but Oxygen molecule absorption rates will play a factor in this one.
Altitude is one thing, Density Altitude is another.
NWA normally has a DA of 3500+ft starting this time of year, it isn't just the height above sea level, its the humidity. The air gets very "soupy" here starting in spring, you may be higher above sea level in parts Texas than NWA, but there is less water molecules in the air meaning it is actually a "better" air to be in depending on what you are doing...
Also if any of this had an real bearing on performance, Mayland/Delaware/Virginia would be a powerhouse in football (Yeah, I know, crab cakes and football is what Maryland does), since they get into "mine shaft" conditions as far as the DA come fall.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 8:15 am to Jefferson Dawg
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Texas Tech -7 is a fair line.
Because we were 3-9 last year and go into the season with what should be a decent offense but a suspect defense I can go along with this. Historically we have owned them moreso than any of our other old SWC foes winning 80% of our games against them. It is certainly a winnable game for us and I expect a shootout but they get the edge from the way things look today. When the season gets underway it could of course be a totally different story.
I don't think altitude plays a role in the game--it never has, but it being an away game probably works against us more than anything even though historically we win 88% of the time we play there. Going into it if we see altitude is going to be a significant factor in the game maybe we can address it by utilizing throwback equipment in some form or fashion.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 8:34 am to WonderWartHawg
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I think we can score practically every possession IF we don't shoot ourselves in the foot with missed assignments and turnovers.
I agree, K State scored 49 on them in Lubbock last year, after losing to an FCS team earlier in the season. The following week, Tech gave up 63 to Baylor.
This post was edited on 6/21/14 at 8:35 am
Posted on 6/21/14 at 9:12 am to Stonehog
So, who let this dawg fan on the board....
We have a nice collection of dumb posters....and we added another?
Wtf
I guess Bert should take the team to Mount magazine and practice the week leading up to the Texas Tech game.
We have a nice collection of dumb posters....and we added another?
Wtf
I guess Bert should take the team to Mount magazine and practice the week leading up to the Texas Tech game.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 9:25 am to Hawgeye
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I guess Bert should take the team to Mount magazine and practice the week leading up to the Texas Tech game.
Where there's less oxygen
Seriously, the difference in air pressure between 1,500 feet and 3,200 is negligible.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 10:11 am to Hawgeye
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I guess Bert should take the team to Mount magazine and practice the week leading up to the Texas Tech game.
This altitude discussion got me to thinking of how nice it would be to have at football game at the 2700 foot elevation of Mt. Magazine--a lovely place.
As for Jefferson Dawg he's an intelligent dude and I'm glad he was added. Who knows, his altitude reference may have had goal of rustlin' a jimmy or igniting a thought provoking multi-post discussion of the effects (or lack thereof) of altitude on the game of college football.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:27 am to Litigator
Do any of you remember that Steelers player that lost his spleen and gall bladder……and nearly his life….. a few years ago because of playing in the thin air at altitude in Denver?!
He recovered, thankfully, and still plays, but when the Steelers travel to play at higher elevations, Tomlin makes him stay at home….in thick air.
I wonder would some of you like Hogeye start to take this more seriously if Arkansas players end up on operating tables having spleens and gall bladders carved out after the Tech game….when you’ve got an A&M > Bama > UGA gauntlet to run through in a couple weeks………
I mean, I hope this doesn’t happen, but it obviously could.
He recovered, thankfully, and still plays, but when the Steelers travel to play at higher elevations, Tomlin makes him stay at home….in thick air.
I wonder would some of you like Hogeye start to take this more seriously if Arkansas players end up on operating tables having spleens and gall bladders carved out after the Tech game….when you’ve got an A&M > Bama > UGA gauntlet to run through in a couple weeks………
I mean, I hope this doesn’t happen, but it obviously could.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:56 am to Jefferson Dawg
Denver is classified as high elevation because it's above 5,000 feet.
Lubbock is not.
Lubbock is not.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:58 am to Stonehog
Safety first.
Cancel all football games forever.
Cancel all football games forever.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:02 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
Elevation aside, the fact that it's simply a road game makes it a tough challenge for us.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 1:10 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Like I said, the DA is the same or higher in NWA than in Lubbock, TX from spring-fall.
The DA takes into account actual elevation and baro pressure to give you an idea of how thin the air is of oxygen content during that time of day with those conditions.
NWA also has a high water grain content during this time of the year meaning water replaces oxygen content in the atmosphere, Texas and the rest of the southwest has a dry climate, so while the actual elevation may be higher than areas, the oxygen content in the atmosphere may/can/will be higher than what is available in NWA during the same day.
The DA takes into account actual elevation and baro pressure to give you an idea of how thin the air is of oxygen content during that time of day with those conditions.
NWA also has a high water grain content during this time of the year meaning water replaces oxygen content in the atmosphere, Texas and the rest of the southwest has a dry climate, so while the actual elevation may be higher than areas, the oxygen content in the atmosphere may/can/will be higher than what is available in NWA during the same day.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 1:53 pm to DaleDenton
I’m going to need to see some documentation on that……..
There’s no way that humidity has as big an effect on density altitude as heat does. And I believe that the September heat in West Texas can and will send the density altitude soaring well over the 5,000 foot mark that Stonehog says classifies “high elevation”.
Either way, I’d be careful to limit exertion levels if any of you are traveling to this game. Don’t be taking the stairs at the hotel. Ride the elevator and stay hydrated.
There’s no way that humidity has as big an effect on density altitude as heat does. And I believe that the September heat in West Texas can and will send the density altitude soaring well over the 5,000 foot mark that Stonehog says classifies “high elevation”.
Either way, I’d be careful to limit exertion levels if any of you are traveling to this game. Don’t be taking the stairs at the hotel. Ride the elevator and stay hydrated.
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