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Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:24 pm to
Posted by BigBird09
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:24 pm to
Not sure why he's being a troll, but there's no need to shite on our program. We should be very good next year. I also don't see why y'all have such high expectations for next year. It's a first year coach with a makeshift roster with a bunch of late spring signees. Sure, I could see y'all being in the top half of the SEC, but it's just as likely, if not more likely, y'all end up in the bottom half. It's not like that would mean the program isn't headed in the right direction.
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:32 pm to
Seeing is believing.
Posted by volfan30
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:34 pm to
Remember, we were picked 11th in the SEC in Cuonzo's first year and finished 2nd. It is just not a hard league to win in if you have any talent at all. We have had some down seasons, but we have still finished in the top half of the league nine years in a row.

This is what Tyndall said
quote:

"We had four scholarship players returning off a four win team in year one at Morehead State and won an NCAA tourney game in year three. We had four scholarship players coming back at Southern Miss and we won over 25 games in year one. We have been through this before. With what we've put together in a short time, we expect to have another very good season, which is what's expected at Tennessee and what's been done at Tennessee year after year."
Posted by BigBird09
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:46 pm to
Martin was left with a great roster to work with, which is the same reason I believe y'all are better off without him. Tyndall was left with complete shite (the real reason I think Cuonzo ran) compared to Cuonzo. He isn't signing all of these players because he thinks they're great players. He's signing them so the program can avoid sinking into a blackhole in his first season like Mississippi State did after they hired Rick Ray. Comparing Tyndall's start to Cuonzo's just isn't logical. Like I said, I could see y'all possibly squeaking into the top half of the conference, but it's FAR from guaranteed.
Posted by volfan30
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:50 pm to
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Martin was left with a great roster to work with


His starting lineup in year 1 was

Golden
McBee
Tatum
Maymon
Woolridge

That is worse than what we are working with now.
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:55 pm to
Obviously having Stokes gift wrapped to him helped a lot as did McRae suddenly becoming a productive player off the bench but that team was expected to be abysmal just as this one is.

There are a lot of unknowns when it comes to this team, but there is tons of talent at the guard position. Much more than on any of Cuonzo's teams.
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:01 pm to
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That is worse than what we are working with now.

Lolz
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:05 pm to
Woolridge and McBee are worse than all 5 of our current starters. Tatum is about as mediocre as it gets. Maymon was very good that season and Golden was productive but flawed.
Posted by volfan30
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:09 pm to
Richardson is an excellent 2 way player. Much more proven talent than anyone on that team. Chiles is a more proven version of Golden. Hubbs is similar to McRae, a highly ranked guy who barely played as a frosh. Much, much more guard depth on this team. Obviously there is no Maymon on this team, but McKnight>Woolridge.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:22 pm to
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Golden
McBee
Tatum
Maymon
Woolridge


I'm pretty sure McRae and Stokes started during most of the SEC play if I remember correctly, which is what we are discussing. Golden and Maymon were also very good for y'all that year. I realize y'all were expected to do bad, and y'all did until SEC play, but expecting nothing less than a top half finish with the team he was left with isn't fair to Tyndall. He doesn't have a ready-to-go five star waiting to jump on board mid-season to compliment Golden and Maymon.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:38 pm to
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Richardson is an excellent 2 way player.


That's like us saying Randolph is an excellent 2-way player. Both have the potential to be excellent on both ends, but for right now they're only excellent on one end and serviceable on the other.
Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:02 pm to
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That's like us saying Randolph is an excellent 2-way player. Both have the potential to be excellent on both ends, but for right now they're only excellent on one end and serviceable on the other.


False. Did you watch any of the tourney?
Posted by Gcockboi
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:03 pm to
I never realized how delusional Vol basketball fans were until I read Volnation last night. Predictions of finishing 2nd and 21+ wins for next season was the norm over there. There are going to be a lot of disappointed VFLs next season.
Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:08 pm to
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Gcockboi 2014 Tennessee Basketball Spring Recruiting Madness: 1 Scholarship Remaining I never realized how delusional Vol basketball fans were until I read Volnation last night. Predictions of finishing 2nd and 21+ wins for next season was the norm over there. There are going to be a lot of disappointed VFLs next season.


Dude it's volnation. Volnation houses the dumbest of the dumb Vol fans
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:15 pm to
Those 4 games are calculated into his season average. Levi finished his season strong as well with a 33 point game and a 24 point game in his last 6 games. Doesn't mean I should be expecting that kind of production regularly next year.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:36 pm to
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until I read Volnation last night.


I see where you went wrong
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 5/15/14 at 2:10 pm to
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Not sure why he's being a troll, but there's no need to shite on our program. We should be very good next year. I also don't see why y'all have such high expectations for next year. It's a first year coach with a makeshift roster with a bunch of late spring signees. Sure, I could see y'all being in the top half of the SEC, but it's just as likely, if not more likely, y'all end up in the bottom half. It's not like that would mean the program isn't headed in the right direction.



Why? Because we've seen this exact scenario produce a fantastic team before. See: Bruce Pearl @ Tennessee: Year One. See: Calipari nearly every year with a rebuilt roster. This isn't football where it takes years to build depth and likewise built up/stored talent can carry a coach for years. Basketball is an immediate game, systems and players don't take the time to mature physically/learn the way football does, and while Tyndall was left with a bunch of scrubs he's sure as hell not playing with scrubs now.

With that talent in mind we expect Tyndall and his team to be good. Tyndall's first team may not be tournament good his first year but it should be good.
This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 2:12 pm
Posted by marshallcotiger
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:46 pm to
The new summer practice rules should help as well. It's only 2 hrs a week and only enrolled players can attend but I think it comes out to around 11 practices that the coach can have with his team. Even more if they decide to travel and play in a tourney outside of the USA.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/15/14 at 5:28 pm to
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Why? Because we've seen this exact scenario produce a fantastic team before. See: Bruce Pearl @ Tennessee: Year One. See: Calipari nearly every year with a rebuilt roster. This isn't football where it takes years to build depth and likewise built up/stored talent can carry a coach for years. Basketball is an immediate game, systems and players don't take the time to mature physically/learn the way football does

Did you just compare your situation to Cal's? Where is your 5 or 6 five-stars mocked to go in the first round next year? Bruce Pearl did an amazing job at UT, but you're already comparing Tyndall to your former top 10 coach? I know it doesn't take as much time to turn around a basketball program, but it isn't always instantaneous.

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while Tyndall was left with a bunch of scrubs he's sure as hell not playing with scrubs now.

I have a hard time calling any D-1 basketball player a scrub, but what make you so confident that the 7 players y'all just signed are better than the guys you already have? I could see Chiles and Punter being pretty solid for y'all next year, but I'm not seeing the others as high-impact players. Mostella has the potential, but he's just a freshman. McKnight was solid last year, but he averaged just 7 ppg and 5 rpg at FGCU. I could see him maybe putting up similar numbers, but I would expect no more than that. I'm not really familiar with Baulkman, Carmichael, and McGehee, but the latter two are just freshman and all 3 have a less than impressive offer list.

UT has the potential to be in the top half of the SEC if everything goes well, but I don't see how you can laugh off the possibility of being in the bottom half. Tyndall did a fantastic job with this makeshift class and should avoid the train wreck Rick Ray had at Miss State. When you consider the fact that he could have a full roster when he was left with... what was it? Five players?... that's a massive accomplishment in and of itself.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42604 posts
Posted on 5/15/14 at 7:45 pm to
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Did you just compare your situation to Cal's?


Yes, that's exactly it. You're reaching - big time. Context: it mattes and there was plenty of it to where your assertion rather laughable.
This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 7:48 pm
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