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re: Why are Tenusee and Awbarn scoring GA recruit$!
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:53 pm to adawgj
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:53 pm to adawgj
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our recruiting ranking should somewhat mirror the #4 talent rich state shouldn't it?
To a degree I suppose. It's not that black and white though, otherwise the recruiting rankings should be some combo of USC/UCLA/Texas/UF/FSU/Miami/UGA every single year. We have averaged about a top 10 class every year Richt has been here with (I'm guessing, so don't quote me) probably half of his classes being in the top 7/8ish. That's pretty good.
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We don't have as many in state schools to compete with like Texas, California, or Florida
We have zero in state schools we compete with. But like I said, we have 8 big time, major programs right next to us. Why does it matter if Clemson isn't in Georgia, they're only 90 minutes from Athens, for example.
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If our in state guys could buy into the fact that UGA could be on elite status if these guys stayed home every year, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Agree, but every school in America could say the same thing. Texas is really the only school I can think of that (at least up until very recently) got the bulk of their studs to stay home. And look at the first half of Richt's tenure, we were pulling in like 70% of the top talent in state every year. Still have to make plays.
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 4:33 pm to WG_Dawg
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Texas is really the only school I can think of that got the bulk of their studs to stay home
Huh?Try getting a top recruit to leave the state of Alabama orLouisiana... it's no accident that both Alabama and LSU both are ranked ahead of us almost on a yearly basis In recruiting...Isn't the state of Louisiana boarded by CFB powerhouses on all sides?And Ga produces double the amount of prospects.
ANY other SEC school that has the luxury of having over 100+ FBS prospects within and 1 1/2 drive of their campus and almost no in state ccompetition?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 4:34 pm to RD Dawg
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Huh?Try getting a top recruit to leave the state of Alabama orLouisiana.
Before UT started sucking, they were getting something like 12 of the top 15 kids in state. That's a little different than keeping the top few. Hell, the first half of richt's tenure we did the same thing.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 6:05 pm to RD Dawg
quote:Produces a 4th of the talent that we do and they have two SEC schools to fight.
Try getting a top recruit to leave the state of Alabama
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Isn't the state of Louisiana boarded by CFB powerhouses on all sides?
What schedule would you consider easier?
A: Bama, AU, UF, FSU, Clemson, USCe, Tennessee, Vandy
B: Bama, AU, Texas, AM, Ole Miss, MSU
A has won the BSC championship 8 times since 1998 while B's schedule has won 5 BSC championships.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 6:47 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Produces a 4th of the talent
Since when? Ga produced about 180 Alabama about 80...far from
a "4th"
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they have 2 SEC schools to fight
They're also boarded by several FBS schools that boarder the state (UT,UGA,LSU,FSU,UF,OM and MSU)
As for your 2nd point,Tallahasee is about the same distance to NO as they are to Atlanta and recruit the state pretty hard (not much success although they did get Warrick Dunn)
And so what if these schools boarder on our state...no SEC school has a closer talent base than metro Atlanta
Posted on 4/22/14 at 6:59 pm to RD Dawg
I stick to my guns. The reason that georgia has a hard time locking down the top recruits in the state consistently isn't just that we are bordered by so many power house schools. It's bc those schools are competing at a higher level than georgia is or has been recently. I believe that ultimately these kids want to go where they can win big. Bama, Auburn, Uf, and FSU have all win national titles and conference championships in the last 5-7 years. Some have been in and won multiple. This is just my opinion though. Hell even Clemson just won a bcs bowl.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:13 pm to Sanford&MunSon
We played at a very high level in '12 and whiffed on how many of the Super 11? Nine? Hell,Ohio State and Ole Miss each took one of 'em.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:14 pm to RD Dawg
By higher level I mean winning championships.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:16 pm to RD Dawg
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As for your 2nd point,Tallahasee is about the same distance to NO as they are to Atlanta and recruit the state pretty hard (not much success although they did get Warrick Dunn) And so what if these schools boarder on our state...no SEC school has a closer talent base than metro Atlanta
We're talking the entire state. Don't try to change the argument because you're losing. The fact that FSU recruits hard in SGA and is only 45 minutes from the state line makes a huge difference.
And the facts don't change, we have more DI programs closer to our border than they do.
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no SEC school has a closer talent base than metro Atlanta
True, and a much larger number of people in Atlanta aren't from Ga. They didn't grow up UGA fans like the kids in La grew up LSU fans.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:22 pm to Sanford&MunSon
We also pull several top 10 players from Fla, NC & SC yearly...
Other than our OL recruiting we get pretty much all the top ranked players that we want from Ga...
A lot of our highest ranked targets are out of state players. We take 5-7 at the minimum Top rated OOS players every year, that leaves us with 13-18 spots to fill with Ga. players. We can't get 'em all...
Other than our OL recruiting we get pretty much all the top ranked players that we want from Ga...
A lot of our highest ranked targets are out of state players. We take 5-7 at the minimum Top rated OOS players every year, that leaves us with 13-18 spots to fill with Ga. players. We can't get 'em all...
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:45 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Don't try to change the argument because you're losing
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Losing what?I just smoked you about your completely WRONG statement on the number of recruits in the state of Alabama.
South Ga? I'm talking about where the VAST MAJORITY of recruits are produced in this state.Hell,Dekalb County alone produced 46 FBS signees
One simple question which I doubt you'll answer.
Which SEC school do you think has a better recruiting situation to choose from? Alabama or UGA?Auburn or UGA?USCe or UGA?
LSU or UGA? UT orUGA? Won't even talk about Ole Miss,MSU,Ark or Vandy...let's look At a couple that might be better; A&M...no doubt a ton of prospects to choose from BUT you still have 10 other FBS schools in the state
Lets look at UF...a ton of in state prospects no doubt but you still have 5 or 6 FBS schools for the talent to go around and you still don't have a talent base like metro Atl and hour and half away from your campus.
Go ahead and answer...can't wait for this
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 7:15 am
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:47 pm to dallasga6
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We can't get'em all
I suppose man. I suppose.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:03 pm to RD Dawg
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Losing what?I just smoked you about your completely WRONG statement on the number of recruits in the state of Alabama.
Yeah, smoked 25% to 45%
quote:LSU has the best situation. They have a much less transient population so the kids grow being LSU fans and want to go there. The population of Atlanta and surrounding counties is filled with tons of people who are not from the state and have no connections to UGA. Not to mention I've already listed the schools that border our state compared to theirs.
Which SEC school do you think has a better recruiting situation to choose from? Alabama or UGA?Auburn or UGA?USCe or UGA? LSU or UGA? UT orUGA? Won't even talk about Ole Miss,MSU,Ark or Vandy...let's look At a couple that might be better; A&M...no doubt a ton of prospects to choose from BUT you still have 10 other FBS schools in the state
quote:Holy crap, do you actually think that UF competes with most of those instate schools?
Lets look at UF...a ton of in state prospects no doubt but you still have 5 or 6 FBS school for the talent to go around and you still don't have a talent base like metro Atl and hour and half away from your campus.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:15 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Yea,smoked 25% to 45%
Yea,I'd say being off by about half is getting smoked.
LSU produced around 80 FBS players while Georgia produced about 180 and the majority concentrated a short drive from the campus.Sorry,no brainer for me.
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UF competes with most those instate schools
They sure as hell compete with FSU and Miami and have lost players that went to UCF (either walkons or last minute offers)
Hey,if you want to say UF has a better recruiting situation than UGA I'm not gonna argue the point...you can make a very good arguement for them and A&M
Posted on 4/23/14 at 7:41 am to RD Dawg
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Hey,if you want to say UF has a better recruiting situation than UGA I'm not gonna argue the point...you can make a very good arguement for them and A&M
I'd say LSU has the best situation for the reasons I stated earlier.
We'll just have to disagree on UGA's situation.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 7:48 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Here's a post (pretty long, so if reading troubles you, just ignore. Jefferson will definitely want to skip this post) I made last February with some info relevant to the discussion.
We aren't doing nearly as badly in recruiting as people make out. And the info above is just from recent year. If you want to look at Richt's early tenure we had an absolute stranglehold in state.
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I did a little research on the past 5 classes (not including this one). I looked at Rivals rankings and took the post season top 5 guys in GA. There's been so much gnashing of teeth and "OMG holy shite we can't close the borders! We're losing all the top talent in state!" that I wanted to really look. Keep in mind that the top 5 is a small sample, and in many cases we got 2-3 more kids in the top 10 or so in certain years. Away we go..
2012-
1. Jonathan Taylor- UGA
2. Geno Smith- Bama
3. JHC- UGA
4. Jordan Jenkins- UGA
5. Deion Bonner- UT
Recap-3/5 to UGA. One we lost to bama, and the other is a punk criminal who has since been dismissed from UT.
2011-
1. Crowell- UGA
2. Rome- UGA
3. Drew- UGA
4. James Vaughters- Stanford
5. Swann- UGA
Recap-4/5 to UGA. The one that didn't was LB who was hellbent on leaving the state, and in his place we got Herrera. Maybe I'm a homer, but Idk what that guy's doing now and I know Hererra is cracking skulls, so I wouldn't call that a big loss.
2010-
1. D.Rogers- UT
2. Markeith Ambles- USC
3. Tree- UGA
4. Stripling- UGA
5. Jeff Whitaker- AU
Recap-2/5 to UGA. This was coming off our first true down year. Rogers was ours until the last minute, but later got in lots of trouble and was kicked out of UT, if you can believe it. Ambles didn't want to stay home. So who'd we get at WR instead? Oh, just Michael Bennett. Instead of getting Whitaker at DT, we got Garrison Smith and Mike Thornton instead (and later moved GS to DE).
2009-
1. Greg Reid- FSU
2. B.Smith- UGA
3. J.Jones- USC (then to UGA)
4. C.Burnette- UGA
5. Donovan Tate- UNC
Recap-2/5 to UGA. Jarvis only left because he hated Jancek, and when he had the option to transfer, he came here due to staff change. We got Gilliard and Vasser at LB in that class in his place. We didn't get Reid but in his place, obviously, got B.Smith, but Reid got kicked out of FSU anyway. Tate was an athlete we didn't really need, I think he played QB for UNC.
2008-
1. Omar Hunter- UF
2. Richard Samuel- UGA
3. Deangelo Tyson- UGA
4. A.J. Harmon- UGA
5. Josh Jarboe- Oklahoma
Recap-3/5 to UGA. Instead of Hunter we got, as you can see, Tyson. We eased the sting of losing Jarboe by picking up AJ Green and Tavarres King. IIRC Jarboe was kicked out of OU.
So..that's 14 (and eventually 15 but we'll go with 14) out of 25 of the top kids in state the last 5 years that have picked UGA. That's 56%, which is to say that over half of the top kids in the state in the given period have picked us. That doesn't SOUND great, but consider a few of those years were coming off bad to AWFUL years, plus UF and Bama being national powers, plus Spurrier raising SC's brand, and that's not too terribly bad I don't think.
What I think is REALLY interesting to note though, is the trajectory of the people we missed out on and were so pissed about at the time. Most of the kids that didn't pick us either got kicked out of school, were busts, have done nothing, got hurt, or would've been useless to us anyway. I mean looking at that list, there's only ONE (1, out of 11!) kid that went elsewhere where we can sit here and say "man it would've really been nice to have him", and that's Geno Smith. Greg Reid was great once, but then fizzled out and was kicked out of school. It's crazy to think that only 1 out of the 11 is a straight laced, no-trouble, good player that we actually miss.
We aren't doing nearly as badly in recruiting as people make out. And the info above is just from recent year. If you want to look at Richt's early tenure we had an absolute stranglehold in state.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 7:51 am to RD Dawg
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We played at a very high level in '12 and whiffed on how many of the Super 11? Nine? Hell,Ohio State and Ole Miss each took one of 'em.
I guess my point in creating this thread is that, for some reason, too many of our top recruits are choosing to go elsewhere, rather than being loyal to their state schools. Only they know the reasons, but I have my suspicions. Anyone who doesn't know that Awbarn has institutional "bending of the rules" hasn't paid attention in the past umpteen years. Now all of a sudden the bottom-feeding Tenusee is raiding the state again. What are they selling to these recruits that we're not? Are we going after a special quality of recruit? I'm no expert, I just read the news and almost weekly I read where we lost another ****,***** to an OOS school. What is the benefit of going to an OOS school when you can be a god in your own state and cash in after school like ole' Buck did. I think it has to do with matters that we don't $ee. JMHO.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 8:13 am to Cobb Dawg
I agree. I guess it's a subjective opinion, but I feel that georgia misses on too many of the key top players in state, top 10. I never said they didn't recruit well. It just seems like those key linemen and occassionally dbs go elsewhere.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 8:18 am to Cobb Dawg
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I guess my point in creating this thread is that, for some reason, too many of our top recruits are choosing to go elsewhere, rather than being loyal to their state schools.
Lots of these kids are from Ga or they're a first generation Ga. They don't have any allegiance to our state or schools.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:07 pm to WG_Dawg
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Btw, when I say TCT I don't mean the team "should have" won the title or was even the best team in the country. What I mean is that the pieces were in place to make a run.
So, if the problem wasn't with the players, doesn't that kind of leave it with coaching?
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