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re: Pat Forde article calling SEC racist towards black basketball coaches
Posted on 4/19/14 at 9:48 am to Henry Jones Jr
Posted on 4/19/14 at 9:48 am to Henry Jones Jr
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Haith and Martin are merely the latest to do so. Two years earlier, Trent Johnson jarringly jumped ship at LSU for TCU, a basketball sinkhole where he has won two out of 36 Big 12 games.
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 9:50 am to TeamLSU
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The media portrays the welfare system as being benefited by majority of black people when in reality there are 3 times more white people on welfare than blacks.
What percentage of the black population in this country is on welfare as compared to the percentage of white population on welfare?
Posted on 4/19/14 at 9:52 am to Henry Jones Jr
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Two years earlier, Trent Johnson jarringly jumped ship at LSU for TCU,
Trent wasn't stupid - he knew LSU was going to fire him. He sucked. It wasn't surprising at all.
Plus, LSU hired a former LSU player to replace him, who happens to be black.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 9:54 am to TeamLSU
I have no problem saying we're still feeling the reprocussions of black coaches not being given higher positions in football, but as I said earlier I think that's more a case of it takes time for the progress to take.
And if you don't think the NAACP is about money these days, you're just as naive as the ones you're labeling as such. It's certainly not been for the "advancement" of black people for awhile now. If anything they've arguably done more to hinder the advancement of the people they claim to represent by crying racism whenever it suits their pockets and media agenda instead of actually addressing the real issues that face young black people today.
But that's another topic for another board.
And if you don't think the NAACP is about money these days, you're just as naive as the ones you're labeling as such. It's certainly not been for the "advancement" of black people for awhile now. If anything they've arguably done more to hinder the advancement of the people they claim to represent by crying racism whenever it suits their pockets and media agenda instead of actually addressing the real issues that face young black people today.
But that's another topic for another board.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 9:57 am to MetryTyger
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We have had 2 black HCs in Women's basketball
And one of those was a lesbian, so LSU has that covered too. LSU so inclusive.
I heard Alabama has that covered too with their softball coach.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 9:59 am
Posted on 4/19/14 at 10:00 am to TeamLSU
IT Dawg-You need to get off the NAACP nuts, that organization exist to fight for ALL people rights. No matter what color skin or ethnic group you belong too. Do you know that their are WHITE men and women that is part of the NAACP? That fight for justice for ALL not just for black people.
This is the bigger bullshite than Forde is trying to make us swallow. Just because their are white people in the NAACP doesn't mean they are fighting for white rights or hispanic rights or any other ethnicity.
So I'll go ahead and post what NAACP stands for the National Association for the advancement of colored people. AKA african americans.
This is the bigger bullshite than Forde is trying to make us swallow. Just because their are white people in the NAACP doesn't mean they are fighting for white rights or hispanic rights or any other ethnicity.
So I'll go ahead and post what NAACP stands for the National Association for the advancement of colored people. AKA african americans.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 10:03 am to BluegrassBelle
Belle-pretty much EVERYTHING is about money these days, that's why more white coaches gets the benefit of the doubt when they FAIL, but a black FOOTBALL coach seems to be relegated to purgatory if he fails. When given the chance with the same resources it has been proven that a black coach will succeed just as much as the white coach. Again, as I said earlier, have things improved, YES, but if you in your right mind say that racism DOESN'T exist in major sports then you are living in a different America than the majority of people.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 10:11 am to TeamLSU
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Belle-pretty much EVERYTHING is about money these days, that's why more white coaches gets the benefit of the doubt when they FAIL, but a black FOOTBALL
We're living in a world where a black man is the HC at the University of Texas. Think about the significance of that.
Sure, racism still exists in sports. But it's certainly not in the frequency you're claiming. The spin in the article in the OP is case in point if you have sense enough to break down the real reasons those guys are without SEC jobs at this point.
It has nothing to do with racism, but is perceived as such because it's a "sexy" subject for a sports writer who has nothing better to write about.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 10:12 am
Posted on 4/19/14 at 10:14 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:Yep. He has columns to write and no good ideas. Man's gotta eat
It has nothing to do with racism, but is perceived as such because it's a "sexy" subject for a sports writer who has nothing better to write about.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 10:14 am to BluegrassBelle
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We're living in a world where a black man is the HC at the University of Texas. Think about the significance of that.
Only because TAMU did it first
And a few sip boosters weren't cool with it, I might add
Posted on 4/19/14 at 10:14 am to TeamLSU
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And I will give you another example of media bias when it comes to race. The media portrays the welfare system as being benefited by majority of black peoplequote:What translates in society is no different than the sports arena. Have there been improvement YES but don't sit here and say that it DOESN'T exist in the major powers.
when in reality there are 3 times more white people on welfare than blacks.
Man, you really are stupid. When will people realize what a % means. African-Americans make up 12% of the population....Whites make up 63%. There at 5x as many whites in America as African-Americans. Also, there are more African-Americans on welfare right now despite that fact. 39% of welfare recipients are black while 38% are white. GFY. You are just causing this shite to go on.
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Yea, I do think the NAACP is all about money.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 10:22 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Only because TAMU did it first
I almost dropped that.
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And a few sip boosters weren't cool with it, I might add
True. Strong is a good guy though and I really do hope he's successful (well not more success than A&M obviously).
I was pretty stoked when we hired Joker Phillips because I thought he had a shot at sustaining Brook's success and he's a Kentucky guy to the core. I hate things went down the way it did for him, but he's just not a very good HC (fantastic coordinator though). But according to guys like Forde we didn't suffer enough 2 win seasons to shitcan him because he's black. That's such a disservice. The stigma that someone may have that a black man cannot be a HC is only reinforced by programs feeling like socially they have to keep a guy who isn't successful just because of his race. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 10:59 am to TeamLSU
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And I will give you another example of media bias when it comes to race. The media portrays the welfare system as being benefited by majority of black people when in reality there are 3 times more white people on welfare than blacks. What translates in society is no different than the sports arena. Have there been improvement YES but don't sit here and say that it DOESN'T exist in the major powers.
Team LSU...you are a prime example of what the NAACP and other organizations like to market too. They give you BS statistics and make you think the right is lying. Go read the statistics yourself. Find out why 47% of people on Welfare stay on it. They make more than a person working a $12/hour job. What incentive do they have to ever work again? Oh, while I am at it, I will just pop out some kids, because then I get MORE money from welfare...and then I can really justify not working b/c "I gots to take kare of mi Kids."
Again, this article continues to fuel a fire that is merely burnt out. There will ALWAYS be racism, but its towards ALL groups. Thats the stupidity of human nature and hatred. Articles like this and the NAACP make money off the idiots who cannot fact check for themselves.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 11:04 am to BluegrassBelle
Belle-I'm with you on your opinion. Hell I thought Trent Johnson was not a good fit here, but he did what he was supposed to do in regards to getting the team APR respectable after John Brady almost had LSU in the tank in that regards. My point ONLY is that RACE DOES plays a part in the selection of coaches at the MAJOR level whether we want to realize that or not.
And to not acknowledge that fact is sticking your head in the sand. And for the poster that keep harping on the NAACP, well it was formed to combat the KKK and the Jim Crow south. To fight for justice for ALL not for some. Have they strayed off the course from their original concept, yes, but it still remain for the most part a CIVIL RIGHTS organization.
And to not acknowledge that fact is sticking your head in the sand. And for the poster that keep harping on the NAACP, well it was formed to combat the KKK and the Jim Crow south. To fight for justice for ALL not for some. Have they strayed off the course from their original concept, yes, but it still remain for the most part a CIVIL RIGHTS organization.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 11:29 am to TeamLSU
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Racism will never go away. But it's not just towards blacks. The NAACP is just like unions. They had their time and place. Now they just PREVENT progression and the tops just load their own pockets. NAACP and Unions need to go away. They are not needed. Local community groups are 100x more effective. Again, colleges and pros don't give a shite about color other than the color green. If they honestly thought a black coach had a better plan and could win more games, they would hire them. It's stupid to think otherwise.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 11:49 am to Henry Jones Jr
People want to know why Forde can get away with typing articles like this? Just read through the thread until you start to notice the exact sorts of people that readers from all over the country just assume fill up the entire South. It's actually kind of sad that a thread dedicated to protesting Forde's conclusions has enough ancillary support for his assumptions in the form of casual racism to completely undermine the protestations.
So...yeah.
So...yeah.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:03 pm to randomways
I didn't see it. I know a lot of people get uncomfortable discussing elephants in rooms. But discussion isn't racism any more than Cuonzo leaving for Cal or Haith leaving for Tulsa is racism.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:09 pm to randomways
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It's actually kind of sad that a thread dedicated to protesting Forde's conclusions has enough ancillary support for his assumptions in the form of casual racism to completely undermine the protestations.
And it's pretty sad that you can't see far enough past constructive criticism that you feel the need to reinforce guys like Forde with a pretty backwards, blanket comment.
So yeah.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:12 pm to the808bass
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I didn't see it. I know a lot of people get uncomfortable discussing elephants in rooms. But discussion isn't racism any more than Cuonzo leaving for Cal or Haith leaving for Tulsa is racism.
Hmm...read past the first three pages or so. Unless you think blacks are inherently less intelligent or lazier/more entitled than other races, just to name a couple of the more obvious items, you might start to see it.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:13 pm to randomways
How about your point out for us exactly what has been said in the last three pages that's so racist instead of beating around the bush?
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