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re: Pat Forde article calling SEC racist towards black basketball coaches
Posted on 4/18/14 at 8:10 pm to Prof
Posted on 4/18/14 at 8:10 pm to Prof
Prof-thanks for the correction. But my point still stands, Strong was and is a better coach than Kiffen and Dooley.
IT Dawg-You need to get off the NAACP nuts, that organization exist to fight for ALL people rights. No matter what color skin or ethnic group you belong too. Do you know that their are WHITE men and women that is part of the NAACP? That fight for justice for ALL not just for black people.
AUsterickPride-On your comment about blacks have the lowest IQ, among all groups. Well anybody can cook the books. And it was that same mindset that white coaches and owners had when speaking about the black quarterbacks. Supposedly the black quarterback was too dumb to lead a team to victory, not cerebal enough to command a team. Yet that myth has been destroyed both in college and the pros.
IT Dawg-You need to get off the NAACP nuts, that organization exist to fight for ALL people rights. No matter what color skin or ethnic group you belong too. Do you know that their are WHITE men and women that is part of the NAACP? That fight for justice for ALL not just for black people.
AUsterickPride-On your comment about blacks have the lowest IQ, among all groups. Well anybody can cook the books. And it was that same mindset that white coaches and owners had when speaking about the black quarterbacks. Supposedly the black quarterback was too dumb to lead a team to victory, not cerebal enough to command a team. Yet that myth has been destroyed both in college and the pros.
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Posted on 4/18/14 at 8:49 pm to TeamLSU
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Prof-thanks for the correction. But my point still stands, Strong was and is a better coach than Kiffen and Dooley.
Strong wasn't on the market when those two were hired. Hell, Dooley was only hired because no one else was available (no one would hire that man by choice - we sure as hell didn't) because Kiffin had left so late/close to signing day and in doing so set our program back several years. Besides leaving that too late for us to hire a legit coach, Kiffin, in less than a year, managed to leave us under an NCAA cloud. No coach with options is going to walk into that. When Strong was on the market and our job was open he got the formal offer from us - not just an interview but an offer. Strong considered it too and ultimately stuck with Louisville because he felt he owed the AD another year because he'd taken the chance years ago (Louisville also said they'd match any offer we made).
If you want to prove a point, Auburn's the place that had the opening and turned him down when they could've hired him. Auburn's also the place that made Strong angry. Strong certainly didn't get passed over for Kiffin or Dooley.
This post was edited on 4/18/14 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 4/18/14 at 8:58 pm to Henry Jones Jr
pat forde is a piece of shite trying hard to stir the masses to make some coin.
May he burn in hell.
May he burn in hell.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:52 pm to DaleDenton
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African Americans comprise roughly 13.1% of the U.S. population, while roughly 18% of Div. 1 baskebtall coaches are African American. I'd say the numbers are quite alright. Enough with this racial BS. Forde and his ilk are a cancer.
I would have a question to ask you there's roughly 18% of the Division I AA basketball coaches are black now what percentage are black players
Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:58 pm to IT_Dawg
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Dang it. You had to go and ruin it and bring good argumentative facts to the conversation. How are the NAACP suppose to make money with facts like these? Besides Hispanics are 2nd to whites in US population now....where is their representation as HCs? Blacks don't want to bring them up, because it will lower their percentage to population avg....
Your facts are lacking the complete data. Yes the black population is the third largest ethnic group in the country however when it comes to football and basketball that is what the majority of African-Americans play now look at what the second largest ethnic group play Hispanic I would bet the house it is generally soccer or baseball you see how your narrative lacks the complete data. Then let me give all my white brothers some words of wisdom stop trying to diminish what racism is especially if you would never and I mean never experienced it on a institutional level
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 12:00 am
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:02 am to DonBro
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I would have a question to ask you there's roughly 18% of the Division I AA basketball coaches are black now what percentage are black players
So you're saying basketball coaches are discriminating against non-blacks. Interesting argument. Hadn't thought of it that way.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:06 am to the808bass
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So you're saying basketball coaches are discriminating against non-blacks. Interesting argument. Hadn't thought of it that way.
Where in that statement do you see me make that argument. You are assuming that's the argument that I'm making and you know what we say about assumptions. I was only asking a question there' it no motive behind the question just a question
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:11 am to MetryTyger
Why get so fired up over this crap? We know he is wrong so be it.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:13 am to Henry Jones Jr
Last black basketball coach A&M had set the standard for epic failure. To his credit, Billy Kennedy is trying to set the bar lower.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:15 am to DonBro
Ok. Let's pull at the thread.
For 2009-2010, 61% of Division 1 men's basketball athletes were black.
For 2009-2010, 61% of Division 1 men's basketball athletes were black.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:24 am to the808bass
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Ok. Let's pull at the thread. For 2009-2010, 61% of Division 1 men's basketball athletes were black.
That surprising I thought that number would be significantly lower
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:25 am to DonBro
I didn't.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 5:13 am to DaleDenton
How many national championships or super bowls has a black head coach won? I bet you can count it on one hand.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 5:58 am to Casper the Dawg
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How many national championships or super bowls has a black head coach won? I bet you can count it on one hand.
So? I guess what you are saying, is they are not as good of coaches?
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:15 am to TeamLSU
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While I totally disagree with Forde on the basketball issue, football is a different animal. But football is getting better with hiring black coaches for major jobs instead of the mid-major or D-1AA jobs. Sumlin, Franklin, and Strong will either help the cause of minority Head coaches at major universities or hurt the cause. JMO
I think regarding football it's a progression over time thing.
For a long time you didn't regularly have black coaches at higher positions that would eventually lead to a HC position (i.e. Coordinator positions, HCs at mid-majors). That's usually where you see major D-1 coaches come from. The last twenty years is probably the first time we've seen that with some regularity and it's starting to regularly produce now black HCs. There's also so much more to getting an interview like connections, sometimes pedigree, etc.
Is it right that it took so long? No. But, I don't see it as an issue right now.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:50 am to BluegrassBelle
Belle-that is my point, the oppurtunites weren't afforded to black coaches to be coordinators 20 years ago. Just like 20 years ago there were very few black quarterbacks STARTING in the NFL or College ranks. And to the Georgia fan that ask the ignorant question of how many national championships and Super Bowls have black coaches won, well I ask you how many chances has the Black coach given to keys to a major football Power.
Normally the Black Coach has to prove himself at a low major college before getting a sniff from major colleges. Example: Sumlin. And in football once the black coach is let go, you haven't seen the resurface at major college level. why is that?
Why has kiffen been given so many chances to succeed and he has failed miserably at EVERY STOP he has been a head coach.
Normally the Black Coach has to prove himself at a low major college before getting a sniff from major colleges. Example: Sumlin. And in football once the black coach is let go, you haven't seen the resurface at major college level. why is that?
Why has kiffen been given so many chances to succeed and he has failed miserably at EVERY STOP he has been a head coach.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 9:09 am to TeamLSU
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Why has kiffen been given so many chances to succeed and he has failed miserably at EVERY STOP he has been a head coach.
Because everyone is racist????
This stuff is so stupid. There is no racism going on. At least, no more than towards any other group, including whites.
Schools want the most money and winning does that. They will take the best coach they think can win, whether he is white, black, green, orange, bald, or even a woman.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 9:13 am to TeamLSU
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Why has kiffen been given so many chances to succeed and he has failed miserably at EVERY STOP he has been a head coach.
Because his Father is Monte Kiffin and because of who he knows. I could argue just as well he's taken opportunities from good white coaches as well.
As I said earlier, it's not just a race thing as some will project. It's just as much about who you know and who you've worked for/with. And sometimes who your Daddy is.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 9:15 am to TeamLSU
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And in football once the black coach is let go, you haven't seen the resurface at major college level. why is th
If Ty Willingham can resurface, anyone can.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 9:38 am to BluegrassBelle
ok belle ty willingham is one in how many? how many white coaches resurface at major ? IT DAWG if you don't think race plays a factor in society in general then you are either blind or live under a rock. You are the same poster that made the ignorant comment about the NAACP being about money. You would be shocked to find out how many white men and women are members of the NAACP.
And I will give you another example of media bias when it comes to race. The media portrays the welfare system as being benefited by majority of black people when in reality there are 3 times more white people on welfare than blacks. What translates in society is no different than the sports arena. Have there been improvement YES but don't sit here and say that it DOESN'T exist in the major powers.
And I will give you another example of media bias when it comes to race. The media portrays the welfare system as being benefited by majority of black people when in reality there are 3 times more white people on welfare than blacks. What translates in society is no different than the sports arena. Have there been improvement YES but don't sit here and say that it DOESN'T exist in the major powers.
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