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re: Better basketball job Mizzou or Tennessee?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:23 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:23 pm to Cheese Grits
Rupp may be the most historic venue in the SEC, but it sure as hell isn't the nicest.
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:26 pm to Prof
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it sucks that it's gone
:kige:
In the era of larger joints, corporate boxes, and white noise I really miss the old venues which is why I like games in Memorial. They may have been smaller but without modern distractions and fans who were there to really watch games I feel blessed to have witnessed that era.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:29 pm to the808bass
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Which doesn't have anything to so with the quality of their facilities.
When I did the list, I tried to view it as if viewed by a recruit. Have you ever been to Memorial? I do not know how to describe it to you and really requires a live visit. It just has an aura.
Cameron Indoor is a dump but they still use the aura to recruit.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:31 pm to GatorsGators
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Rupp may be the most historic venue in the SEC, but it sure as hell isn't the nicest.
It is pretty damn nice in the places you can not get into and that is what the recruits and the opposing players see.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:31 pm to Gcockboi
They're both good programs. Especially under the SEC basketball umbrella. Both should be able to hire good coaches
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:34 pm to Cheese Grits
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In the era of larger joints, corporate boxes, and white noise I really miss the old venues which is why I like games in Memorial. They may have been smaller but without modern distractions and fans who were there to really watch games I feel blessed to have witnessed that era.
I had classes there but it was before my time. I love the history of the place and have seen enough and heard enough about it to know it was a magical place. Lot's of basketball history was made there, not just UT history either.
As for the poster asking about TB vs. Mizzou Arena.... I'll grant you that I haven't been to Mizzou Arena but if it's anything like the pictures, I'd go with TB and it's not even close. That said, you're exterior setup is better than TB.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:37 pm to Prof
I think Tennessee has better facilities. But it's not going to be the difference in hiring a coach. For either of us.
We'll probably go quite a bit higher than what Tennessee seems willing to pay. And that won't be the sole deciding factor for either program.
We'll probably go quite a bit higher than what Tennessee seems willing to pay. And that won't be the sole deciding factor for either program.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:38 pm to Prof
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That said, you're exterior setup is better than TB.
:kige:
Exterior of TB is just terrible but most of that was the architecture of the time it was built. Rupp was just as bad until they did the facelift a few years back.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:01 pm to Cheese Grits
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Exterior of TB is just terrible but most of that was the architecture of the time it was built. Rupp was just as bad until they did the facelift a few years back.
True. A lot of buildings built between 1950s-1980s are godawful looking on the outside. It wasn't just cost saving either - architects went through a very utilitarian/overly simplistic phase - they also fell in love with clean lines and geometry that were totally uninteresting to anyone but them.
I don't know if TB will ever get an exterior facelift. Right now we have a lot of campus building needs so I'd guess that beautifying the exterior of TB is a lower priority. Neyland's newer brick exterior was in the original plans and master plan which has been carefully followed and phased in step by step for several decades but I'm fairly certain there's no such master plan for TB.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:07 pm to Cheese Grits
One other thing about TB... the original construction had to overcome sinkholes that hadn't been detected prior to breaking ground. IIRC, they had to fill in and stabilize those sinkholes which cost a great deal of money to do and overran the budget. At least one worker died on site during its construction. Those construction issues, sinkholes, and proximity to the river likely had an impact on the final product/very plain exterior.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:09 pm to the808bass
What is MU willing to spend? UTs rumored to be willing to open up the pocket book this time for the right guy
That being said, they probably won't open it up enough for a Greg Marshall etc.
IIRC I think they've been flirting with the idea of around 2 million.
That being said, they probably won't open it up enough for a Greg Marshall etc.
IIRC I think they've been flirting with the idea of around 2 million.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:32 pm to TRUERockyTop
We'd go north of $2M for the right guy. We offered CMA to keep him when he went to Arkansas. I think the rumored Painter offers were over $2M. And that was before the SEC money started coming in.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:47 pm to Gcockboi
Mizzou is not a basketball school, either is Tennessee.
MU operated with a surplus, Tennessee not so much.
The jobs are equal, Mizzou can afford to throw out more. Both jobs are stepping stone jobs to inferior programs like Arkansas (nobody gives a frick what you did 20 years ago) and Tulsa
MU operated with a surplus, Tennessee not so much.
The jobs are equal, Mizzou can afford to throw out more. Both jobs are stepping stone jobs to inferior programs like Arkansas (nobody gives a frick what you did 20 years ago) and Tulsa
Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:47 pm to Gcockboi
Tennessee pros:
The ability to never lose to South Carolina in basketball. That's not delusion. That's fact.
The ability to never lose to South Carolina in basketball. That's not delusion. That's fact.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:55 pm to the808bass
The lead dogs LINK
Kentucky / John Calipari = $5,511,381
Florida / Billy Donovan $3,905,964
Tennessee / Cuonzo Martin = $1,350,000
No other SEC school was listed
Interesting as about 5 of the Top 10 in the women's game coached in the SEC
Pat was over 2 million
Mitchell's contract escalation should put him over 1 million next season and caps at 1.2 million 2 season's later
Blair is close to 1 million
Dawn is fast approaching 1 million
Nikki has a 700K base, but can bonus another 550,000K
Vanderbilt is private but am guessing it is up there
Landers and Warlick should both be over 500K
Curry is just under 500K
Kentucky / John Calipari = $5,511,381
Florida / Billy Donovan $3,905,964
Tennessee / Cuonzo Martin = $1,350,000
No other SEC school was listed
Interesting as about 5 of the Top 10 in the women's game coached in the SEC
Pat was over 2 million
Mitchell's contract escalation should put him over 1 million next season and caps at 1.2 million 2 season's later
Blair is close to 1 million
Dawn is fast approaching 1 million
Nikki has a 700K base, but can bonus another 550,000K
Vanderbilt is private but am guessing it is up there
Landers and Warlick should both be over 500K
Curry is just under 500K
Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:58 pm to Cheese Grits
That was just teams that made the tournament.
Mike Anderson makes $2.2Mish at Arkansas.
Haith started at $1.6M guaranteed when we hired him.
ETA: Stallings is said to make $1.9M and Grant is at $1.8M
Mike Anderson makes $2.2Mish at Arkansas.
Haith started at $1.6M guaranteed when we hired him.
ETA: Stallings is said to make $1.9M and Grant is at $1.8M
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:02 pm to Cheese Grits
^Martin was a bargain performance wise but paid right for when he was hired. He would've been bumped to ~1.8+ mil if he'd stayed.
Hart didn't hire Martin and wasn't willing to spend top dollar for Martin until his resume warranted it. Hart, however, will pay top dollar for a coach depending upon resume (much more than he was willing to raise/extend Martin).
Hart didn't hire Martin and wasn't willing to spend top dollar for Martin until his resume warranted it. Hart, however, will pay top dollar for a coach depending upon resume (much more than he was willing to raise/extend Martin).
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:11 pm to the808bass
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That was just teams that made the tournament.
Understood, the bigger point is the rest of the SEC is under half of the two at the top. If Missouri, Arkansas, or Tennessee want to be considered top basketball schools are any of the 3 willing to pay 3 million or more to get a basketball coach?
If Matthew Mitchell is the highest paid coach in the SEC (roughly 1 million) in the women basketball side of the equation, how do the other 12 SEC schools (less UK and UF) compare to Matthew? If the ACC got 18 million for 6 teams in the NCAA this year - and none went deep - that is 3 million per school. Even if those 6 schools sold not a single ticket during the season, the NCAA tourney money would easily pay a 3 million per year salary.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:25 pm to Cheese Grits
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Understood, the bigger point is the rest of the SEC is under half of the two at the top. If Missouri, Arkansas, or Tennessee want to be considered top basketball schools are any of the 3 willing to pay 3 million or more to get a basketball coach?
Nobody is getting hired at $3M (unless someone who's making $3M+ leaves which isn't happening).
$2M is the floor for a "quality" hire.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:26 pm to the808bass
I wonder if ol' Buzz is having some regrets about making a move too early.
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