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Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:45 pm to Prof
Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:45 pm to Prof
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Brett Edgerton ?@EditorEdge 6h
BREAKING: UT fans nation's first to ever be upset midseason with a talented team underachieving and appearing destined for 3rd straight NIT.
ESPN.com college editor
This is a great time for hacks like Forde to sensationalize, but Edgerton is dead on.
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:55 pm to volfan30
At some point UT and their fans have to recognize that the repeated blunders and uninterrupted chaos over the past decade are probably not the result of bad luck or extraneous circumstances.
The Cuonzo Martin deal is just a symptom of problems that have been apparent for awhile. There's a ton of truth in Forde's article, whether y'all like it or not.
The Cuonzo Martin deal is just a symptom of problems that have been apparent for awhile. There's a ton of truth in Forde's article, whether y'all like it or not.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:57 pm to Crowknowsbest
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At some point UT and their fans have to recognize that the repeated blunders and uninterrupted chaos over the past decade are probably not the result of bad luck or extraneous circumstances.
Because we're sooooo unique.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:59 pm to Prof
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Because we're sooooo unique.
The Bama AD just passed the torch on to you inside-a-pumpkin, thow'up orange wearin' motherfrickers in the middle of the 2000's.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:59 pm to Crowknowsbest
What errors do you think Tennessee has made?
1. They waited too long to fire Fulmer
2. They waited too long to fire Hamilton
Dooley and Cuonzo should have never been hired imo and were a direct result of hanging on to Hamilton too long as was the poor handling of the entire Pearl situation.
Most of Forde's article was sensationalist and didn't touch on hanging on to Fulmer and Hamilton too long.
1. They waited too long to fire Fulmer
2. They waited too long to fire Hamilton
Dooley and Cuonzo should have never been hired imo and were a direct result of hanging on to Hamilton too long as was the poor handling of the entire Pearl situation.
Most of Forde's article was sensationalist and didn't touch on hanging on to Fulmer and Hamilton too long.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:06 pm to volfan30
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Dooley and Cuonzo should have never been hired imo
Dooley was a mistake. Cuonzo was fine coach who took over a program under NCAA sanction who was also burdened with a fanbase with wildly unrealistic expectations given the circumstances.
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the poor handling of the entire Pearl situation.
By Pearl himself. He's as much to blame for any complaints y'all have with Martin as Martin himself.
I don't know what it is, but UT's fans have developed a wildly overinflated sense of where the programs stand at this juncture. The Gruden craziness was just that: craziness. The Martin debacle was totally bizarre. These types of expectations create situations where coaches can't succeed, they get fired, and then the cycle repeats.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:10 pm to volfan30
Quoth the Forde....nevermore
Slightly down the article you'll notice how cheese-dickish his comments are when it comes to the big games. But when it comes to things like this, he'll open his mouth all day.
Look what he said about the Alabama ND game.
Slightly down the article you'll notice how cheese-dickish his comments are when it comes to the big games. But when it comes to things like this, he'll open his mouth all day.
Look what he said about the Alabama ND game.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:11 pm to Crowknowsbest
Cuonzo did an awful job for 2.5 years. On top of that, he recruited a terrible roster that the next coach will be burdened with.
Many on this board seem to be honed in on a fluke sweet 16 run.
There were no NCAA sanctions. He just didn't perform.
Many on this board seem to be honed in on a fluke sweet 16 run.
There were no NCAA sanctions. He just didn't perform.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:13 pm to Crowknowsbest
Martin took over a program that was doing better before he got here.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:14 pm to volfan30
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Many on this board seem to be honed in on a fluke sweet 16 run
It didn't look like a fluke to me. That team was good and deserved to be there. It sounds like you don't like the guy and want it to be a fluke.
Basketball is all about the post-season. Who gives a shite about the rest of it? Results are all that matter, and the results this season were pretty damn good.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:15 pm to GoldenFlakes
Ship sinking
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:16 pm to ohiovol
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Martin took over a program that was doing better before he got here.
Right, before they went through an NCAA investigation and significant hit to the program's stability and reputation. (I thought there were small sanctions but volfan corrected me on that.)
No shite it was doing better.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:18 pm to Crowknowsbest
Okay, give him credit for the season despite performing terribly in the regular season.
He had 2 other seasons that were horrendous. Next year's roster is going to be absolutely awful and that is 100% on him. 1/4 decent years is not good and he should not be applauded imo.
He was very close to running the program off a cliff because he couldn't get players. Not sure why Tennessee fans should feel guilty.
He had 2 other seasons that were horrendous. Next year's roster is going to be absolutely awful and that is 100% on him. 1/4 decent years is not good and he should not be applauded imo.
He was very close to running the program off a cliff because he couldn't get players. Not sure why Tennessee fans should feel guilty.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:19 pm to Crowknowsbest
He could not close on elite players is the bottom line. If he had landed Looney or Nichols he is no doubt still the coach today, but he couldn't and now he is headed to a Pac12 wasteland.
Recruiting is a HUGE part of basketball and he couldn't do it. Simple as that.
Recruiting is a HUGE part of basketball and he couldn't do it. Simple as that.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:22 pm to volfan30
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He was very close to running the program off a cliff because he couldn't get players.
He got Robert Hubbs and what looks to be a pretty solid group this year. I didn't look back any further, but it could be much, much worse
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:23 pm to Crowknowsbest
Take a look at Pearl's classes and Martin's classes. Martin is not even in the same neighborhood.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:23 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I don't know what it is, but UT's fans have developed a wildly overinflated sense of where the programs stand at this juncture. The Gruden craziness was just that: craziness. The Martin debacle was totally bizarre. These types of expectations create situations where coaches can't succeed, they get fired, and then the cycle repeats.
-Gruden: was an online forum thing made news. Arky had grumors (they even made a video/song for Gruden), Texas had grumors before they had Saban rumor, every school that wants a new coach has grumors and will continue to have grumors because Chucky is on teebee and anyone on teebee must be a good coach yet we somehow get singled out.
-Martin: people were criticizing him midseason. THAT criticism was justified. Other than VF30 very few fans wanted him fired and even among those who did most of them were fine after Martin started performing. Even so.. who fired up the Pearl campaign? None other than the national media which wrote several articles stating that UT should rehire Pearl. Why? Because midseason it looked like he was gonna get canned. That in turn inspired the online petition that did not actually desire Martin's firing. It DID however echo those national sports media articles asking UT to rehire Pearl IF Martin was fired/no longer coach. As for what just happened... Stokes went pro. Martin saw that he'd missed on Rhett and misjudged Stokes staying and got outta dodge because his stock will never be higher and without Stokes or Rhett chances were very good Martin had fricked himself by staying.
It's one thing for a media drama queen like Forde to pimp out a misinformed, sensationalized, BS story for clicks but for anyone with a brain to actually believe it? Well that's on you.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:23 pm to volfan30
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He could not close on elite players is the bottom line.
If y'all expect UT to consistently land elite basketball players, you're going to be disappointed. There aren't that many coaches out there who can do that at non-traditional basketball school.
This is exactly the type of expectation problem I was talking about.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:25 pm to VermilionTiger
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They are a has been.. A girls basketball school.
Hey now, that isn't fair.
They are THE girls basketball school.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:25 pm to GoldenFlakes
I have no ill will toward Tennessee, despite my occasional comments on here. I actually like them fine, enjoy going to games there, and appreciate their hatred for UGA and Alabama.
But they need an overhaul or they face a slow fade from power akin to Nebraska or some other school that simply doesn't have the natural resources to maintain great or elite status. The campus is a dump. It's in Knoxville, which is pretty terrible. The fan base, although nice enough, seem to be left over relics from an earlier time. Although not awful academically, they're not making waves in the way UGA or Florida or even Alabama or Auburn are.
Without some big increase in state prominence (see North Carolina, Georgia, Texas) or some radical overhaul of the school's image, I just don't think Tennessee is going to pull out of this.
But they need an overhaul or they face a slow fade from power akin to Nebraska or some other school that simply doesn't have the natural resources to maintain great or elite status. The campus is a dump. It's in Knoxville, which is pretty terrible. The fan base, although nice enough, seem to be left over relics from an earlier time. Although not awful academically, they're not making waves in the way UGA or Florida or even Alabama or Auburn are.
Without some big increase in state prominence (see North Carolina, Georgia, Texas) or some radical overhaul of the school's image, I just don't think Tennessee is going to pull out of this.
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