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re: Can Florida be the suprise team in the SEC this year?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:06 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:06 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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There's really no reason for this to happen, honestly. I mean, I understand holding back and not beating the pants off of FCS and lower-echelon teams, but we weren't being respectful: We couldn't score.
I wasn't too upset with Toledo since it was game 1, but yeah, I didn't like close ones with Louisiana in 2012.
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This is the most important aspect: I hate losing, but as long as we look like a functioning team then I think I can be forgiving.
I agree
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He deserves another year if he can keep it respectable, but I think even if he does he will be fired unless he puts wins up and does it with the offense. IF he gets to 8 while beating LSU or Alabama, the perception will help him immensely even if he loses the East. There are a lot of factors going on, and I hope that he does well with the tools he has.
Also should put beating UGA in there as well (0-3 right now vs UGA
). I do expect a much better 2014 season. More than anything, I'm ready for this team to kick arse again 
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:41 am to SpartyGator
He does really need to beat UGA. 8-9 wins should be UF fans target mark. That would mean he wins a statement game like UGA, SCe, LSU, Bama, or FSU. If we lose to ALL the big guys, not sure UF should keep him around.
(holy crap, never thought I would live to see the day the Florida board had a 4 page thread. Everyone in here gets a gold star.
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(holy crap, never thought I would live to see the day the Florida board had a 4 page thread. Everyone in here gets a gold star.
)Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:58 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Doesn't mean we can't shock the world, but I'm gonna go ahead and take of the rose-tinted glasses. Love my team, but won't lose objective insight.
Yeah I was hesitant too... but...
1) Look at UGA. I don't care how good their new QB is supposed to be. Hes not Aaron Murray. Fact is UF was in position to win that Cocktail Party last year even with that depleted roster.
2) UF has played South Carolina tough every year of the Muschamp era. This time the game is in the Swamp.
3) Same thing with LSU. Game is in the Swamp.
4) Alabama is taking a step back next year regardless of what their fans say.
I'm optimistic for 9 wins. However, 10-2, 11-1 would NOT surprise me at all. I don't believe UF has a shot at beating FSU next year, but other than that, UF has just as much talent as anyone on its schedule.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:37 am to boXerrumble
11-1 here we come. 9 Wins would be a big disappointment to me unless the training room becomes crowded.
We WILL beat UGA & LSU...Mizzou & USC are in the Sweamp and should be wins...although the girls school plays watered down schedule...karma is a beech and I just have the feeling they might suffer some....but love nothing better than tro see them ranked # 1 and we go up there and pop them in mouth.
Remember...we are the UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA FIGHTING GATORS and we have talent...some of you need to watch Driskel highlights of 2012 and see the big plays he did produce...cause Im calling it now, Driskel will be in the conversation for Heisman in 2015 and what say you then naysayers?
We WILL beat UGA & LSU...Mizzou & USC are in the Sweamp and should be wins...although the girls school plays watered down schedule...karma is a beech and I just have the feeling they might suffer some....but love nothing better than tro see them ranked # 1 and we go up there and pop them in mouth.
Remember...we are the UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA FIGHTING GATORS and we have talent...some of you need to watch Driskel highlights of 2012 and see the big plays he did produce...cause Im calling it now, Driskel will be in the conversation for Heisman in 2015 and what say you then naysayers?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 5:11 pm to boXerrumble
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Look at UGA. I don't care how good their new QB is supposed to be. Hes not Aaron Murray. Fact is UF was in position to win that Cocktail Party last year even with that depleted roster.
Were we really in it, though? Georgia seemed to just coast for most of the game last year -- and we practically gave it to them the years before. We couldn't even beat Georgia Southern, let alone Georgia.
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UF has played South Carolina tough every year of the Muschamp era. This time the game is in the Swamp.
I think we have a better chance but we still have to wait for the first game. If Muschamp has organized well, gotten his team to rally and given us some much-needed discipline -- I think we can pull it off.
What's dangerous is Spurrier, the man is a mastermind and can turn sugar to shite in one year flat.
LSU at the swamp, again I think we have to wait.
Beating Alabama in 'Bama ain't easy, no matter how much talent they lose. They're in a reloading year, but they've been recruiting like monsters.
I think 6 is reasonable, 7 good and 8 optimistic. There's an outside shot at 9+ But we need some serious, SERIOUS improvement -- that I think Muschamp will provide.
He's growing on me, slowly but surely, and I hope he can stay around and make the team better. But, if he doesn't live up this year, he needs to go and we need to hire someone else.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 5:55 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I think 6 is reasonable, 7 good and 8 optimistic. There's an outside shot at 9+ But we need some serious, SERIOUS improvement -- that I think Muschamp will provide.
I believe UF can win 9 games next year.
Win 9 games, and have the offense moving in the right direction, and Muschamp is fine with me.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:56 pm to boXerrumble
I had eyes examined last week and getting new Costas soon...the orange and blue tinted kind
Eight wins OPTIMISTIC? Man....better start prepping yourself. What makes you think UGA, USC, LSU & Mizzou are much better than us? They aren't my friend. UT has lost its entire OL and almost all of their DL. Add Vandy, UK and three OCC lambs brings us to ten wins and that leaves Bama & the girls school...which I feel we split?
We just went 11-1 two seasons ago. If you forgot that so easily...then forget 4-8 as basis for a prediction.
Eight wins OPTIMISTIC? Man....better start prepping yourself. What makes you think UGA, USC, LSU & Mizzou are much better than us? They aren't my friend. UT has lost its entire OL and almost all of their DL. Add Vandy, UK and three OCC lambs brings us to ten wins and that leaves Bama & the girls school...which I feel we split?
We just went 11-1 two seasons ago. If you forgot that so easily...then forget 4-8 as basis for a prediction.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:23 pm to reel_gator8
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We just went 11-1 two seasons ago. If you forgot that so easily...then forget 4-8 as basis for a prediction.
The 11 wins...plus a crushing defeat to a mediocre team in the Sugar Bowl. You gotta win the last game, especially against Louisville.
That aside: The wins were all scrapers that could have went either way and as you said: It was 2 years ago.
Let's look back to last year -- which is far more relevant. What happens when you lose your top-tier talent and you have a mediocre coach growing up? You go 4 - 8.
Great coaches adjust no matter what the obstacles, good coaches can make do with what they have and bad coaches collapse.
Last year was a collapse.
I have faith that Muschamp can change -- because he has to at this point, but if he does what he's been doing for the past three years? He ain't gonna be around.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:26 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Crushing defeat in Sugar Bowl...sorta like Bama getting taken behind the woodshed when they played Utah in Sugar Bowl after losing to us in SECCG in 2008? Or losing to a Louisiana directional school in 2007?
Yeah...you are right ..great coaches make adjustments...ZI would love to have had Saban coach last year...especially at the end of the season with third string qb, walk on LB having to play..etc etc...I'd love to have seen him make those adjustments.
You are seeing things in a dimmer light and thats ok...but prepare yourself...Boom is going to be around a long time imo. You cant defend the 11-1 season so you wanna throw a brick...we were just lucky and we had bad outing against UL...etc etc I just wonder why your username doesn't contain the words "Gator" in it? Just saying Straw.
Yeah...you are right ..great coaches make adjustments...ZI would love to have had Saban coach last year...especially at the end of the season with third string qb, walk on LB having to play..etc etc...I'd love to have seen him make those adjustments.
You are seeing things in a dimmer light and thats ok...but prepare yourself...Boom is going to be around a long time imo. You cant defend the 11-1 season so you wanna throw a brick...we were just lucky and we had bad outing against UL...etc etc I just wonder why your username doesn't contain the words "Gator" in it? Just saying Straw.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 7:28 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Honestly, if UF had been able to kick a fricking field goal they would have beaten UGA last year. Even with that, it took a bone headed penalty, and then the defense folding at the end of the game for UGA to narrowly hold on to the win.
South Carolina, again, being able to kick FG's would have been a huge boost in that game. Lost by 5, on the road, to a top 10 team with our third string QB.
Missouri was 23-17 in the fourth quarter, before the wheels came off. And that was with UF only gaining about 100 yards of offense to that point and having it's defense on the field constantly.
LSU it was 14-6 in the 4th quarter, and that game was certainly in doubt.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that UF has 4 regular season "toss up" games. LSU, Mizzou, UGA, and South Carolina.
UF should be expected to beat E ky, Idaho, EMU, Vandy, UK, and Tennessee, none of which should be bowl eligible teams. Tennessee MAYBE.
So Muschamp, IMO, needs to win those 6 games, and AT LEAST, 2 of those toss up games, although I'd be happier if he won 3 of them.
You give him a pass for @ bama and @ FSU (a win at either place would be gravy), and you say, OK, 8-4 or 9-3 with improvement on offense and you are good to stay.
There isn't an excuse for any worse than that.
South Carolina, again, being able to kick FG's would have been a huge boost in that game. Lost by 5, on the road, to a top 10 team with our third string QB.
Missouri was 23-17 in the fourth quarter, before the wheels came off. And that was with UF only gaining about 100 yards of offense to that point and having it's defense on the field constantly.
LSU it was 14-6 in the 4th quarter, and that game was certainly in doubt.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that UF has 4 regular season "toss up" games. LSU, Mizzou, UGA, and South Carolina.
UF should be expected to beat E ky, Idaho, EMU, Vandy, UK, and Tennessee, none of which should be bowl eligible teams. Tennessee MAYBE.
So Muschamp, IMO, needs to win those 6 games, and AT LEAST, 2 of those toss up games, although I'd be happier if he won 3 of them.
You give him a pass for @ bama and @ FSU (a win at either place would be gravy), and you say, OK, 8-4 or 9-3 with improvement on offense and you are good to stay.
There isn't an excuse for any worse than that.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 8:48 am to reel_gator8
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Crushing defeat in Sugar Bowl...sorta like Bama getting taken behind the woodshed when they played Utah in Sugar Bowl after losing to us in SECCG in 2008? Or losing to a Louisiana directional school in 2007?
Saban took over an absolutely destroyed program that was riddled with sanctions before he arrived -- it's a miracle he even got to the Sugar Bowl. Muschamp inherited a championship level defense and got taken down by a team full of 3 and 4 stars.
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Yeah...you are right ..great coaches make adjustments...ZI would love to have had Saban coach last year...especially at the end of the season with third string qb, walk on LB having to play..etc etc...I'd love to have seen him make those adjustments.
Our first and second string quarterbacks weren't exactly lighting the world on fire. Murphy was -terrible-, Driskel got hurt on a Pick Six (I think he did it twice in two games). Perhaps if we had been running a spread offense with two of our starters being worked for spread, we wouldn't find ourselves in that predicament. That was his problem with Demps and Rainey.
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You are seeing things in a dimmer light and thats ok...but prepare yourself...Boom is going to be around a long time imo. You cant defend the 11-1 season so you wanna throw a brick...we were just lucky and we had bad outing against UL...etc etc I just wonder why your username doesn't contain the words "Gator" in it? Just saying Straw.
Heard and saw that stuff last year when I thought we were going to do well and ended up getting smacked around and disrespected. I'd love to see our team do well, but think that we need to see the first game to see if anything has been changed.
And asking why I don't have Gator in my handle is a little offensive.
This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 8:51 am
Posted on 5/15/14 at 8:55 am to slayerxing
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Honestly, if UF had been able to kick a fricking field goal they would have beaten UGA last year. Even with that, it took a bone headed penalty, and then the defense folding at the end of the game for UGA to narrowly hold on to the win.
Honestly, a team like UF should not have to rely on field goals to beat teams. Our Red Zone numbers were absolutely atrocious.
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South Carolina, again, being able to kick FG's would have been a huge boost in that game. Lost by 5, on the road, to a top 10 team with our third string QB.
SC played it as safe as safe can play it -- they didn't worry about us putting together a super long drive at the end of the game.
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Missouri was 23-17 in the fourth quarter, before the wheels came off. And that was with UF only gaining about 100 yards of offense to that point and having it's defense on the field constantly.
Missouri shouldn't have been ahead at that point.
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LSU it was 14-6 in the 4th quarter, and that game was certainly in doubt.
LSU wasn't worried -at all- with us. They were doing what everyone else that year did -- played it safe and waited for us to win the game with our offense.
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I guess what I'm trying to say is that UF has 4 regular season "toss up" games. LSU, Mizzou, UGA, and South Carolina.
UF should be expected to beat E ky, Idaho, EMU, Vandy, UK, and Tennessee, none of which should be bowl eligible teams. Tennessee MAYBE.
Should be -- a big should be. After watching Georgia Southern paste 200+ yards of rushing on us at home, I don't start talkin' big anymore for anything.
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So Muschamp, IMO, needs to win those 6 games, and AT LEAST, 2 of those toss up games, although I'd be happier if he won 3 of them.
You give him a pass for @ bama and @ FSU (a win at either place would be gravy), and you say, OK, 8-4 or 9-3 with improvement on offense and you are good to stay.
There isn't an excuse for any worse than that.
He'll stay if he can beat one of the big four -- Alabama, LSU, FSU or Georgia -- and takes care of the rest of the field.
If he drops another game to -anyone-, and I mean ANYONE he's favored to beat he will be out of the coach's position maybe before the end of the year.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:15 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
It's pretty simple from my viewpoint.
Entertain, Execute, Excite.
Basically boils down to scoring points. UF does that and all "expectations" will be exceeded.
Entertain, Execute, Excite.
Basically boils down to scoring points. UF does that and all "expectations" will be exceeded.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:36 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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And asking why I don't have Gator in my handle is a little offensive.
Wasn't questioning your gatorhood Straw...just curious and even if you were a rival...who cares? I welcome comments from anyone...that's what makes message boards fun. I was just curious about your username.
I just wish we could get more Gators to post on this board...whether they agree with me or not (most wouldn't), sharing a passion like college football is what its all about.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:12 pm to reel_gator8
He is a UF fan, based on what I know.
Agree, we need more UF fans here. However, this place won't be allowed to turn into trailer trash like most UF boards have.
If any of you have IRL friends that would like to try a free message board, you could tell them about this place.
Agree, we need more UF fans here. However, this place won't be allowed to turn into trailer trash like most UF boards have.
If any of you have IRL friends that would like to try a free message board, you could tell them about this place.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 1:31 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Honestly, a team like UF should not have to rely on field goals to beat teams. Our Red Zone numbers were absolutely atrocious.
Honestly that is the most fricking ridiculous thing I've ever heard a UF fan say about Florida. Seriously? NEWSFLASH - there are other good teams in the SEC. It's a tough conference and points are always at a premium. Half of the tough SEC games could come down to a single possession, and you're saying FG's shouldn't matter? What should UF be beating everyone by 50? Jesus...
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SC played it as safe as safe can play it -- they didn't worry about us putting together a super long drive at the end of the game.
Bull-fricking-shite. It was 14-6 at halftime, and USCe was in trouble. They had to fight and claw to win that game, and if UF had made their short FG at the end of the 3rd quarter, the whole outcome of the game may have been different.
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Missouri shouldn't have been ahead at that point.
Based on what exactly? They were an undefeated team playing at home and UF had an injured QB, a beat up OL, and IDK if you remember, but 3 starters on defense were out and Riggs got kicked off on the second play.
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He'll stay if he can beat one of the big four -- Alabama, LSU, FSU or Georgia -- and takes care of the rest of the field.
If he drops another game to -anyone-, and I mean ANYONE he's favored to beat he will be out of the coach's position maybe before the end of the year.
I think you'll be surprised, cause I don't think he'll get the axe this year at all unless things are as bad as last year.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 2:55 pm to slayerxing
Damn Slay...bring it Oh...I haven't weighed in on the problems scoring the past couple years. In 2012 I was very happy with 11-1 even if we did just beat some teams. We flat wore out LSUs defense with our run game and day games in the Swamp are no treat for visitors with the sun beating down on them on the east sidelines. The score said 14-6 but we dominated them.
You are absolutely right about having an injured qb for the Mizzou game...the game before at LSU had seen Murphy's shoulder buried in the turf, he should not even been on the field for Mizzou game but third string qb was not nearly ready then. We took 59 players with us on the plane to Columbia SC and that included 4 walk on special team players...obviously we lacked depth and that's why we couldnt put USC away...just ran out of gas, but what effort. I was proud of our players.
While I am very confident of this year...I do think the offense will finally start to produce more plays and scores. Boom has tried to hire OCs and he did get great resumes with Pease and Charlie...but it didn't work out...third time is the charm.
Oh...I haven't weighed in on the problems scoring the past couple years. In 2012 I was very happy with 11-1 even if we did just beat some teams. We flat wore out LSUs defense with our run game and day games in the Swamp are no treat for visitors with the sun beating down on them on the east sidelines. The score said 14-6 but we dominated them. You are absolutely right about having an injured qb for the Mizzou game...the game before at LSU had seen Murphy's shoulder buried in the turf, he should not even been on the field for Mizzou game but third string qb was not nearly ready then. We took 59 players with us on the plane to Columbia SC and that included 4 walk on special team players...obviously we lacked depth and that's why we couldnt put USC away...just ran out of gas, but what effort. I was proud of our players.
While I am very confident of this year...I do think the offense will finally start to produce more plays and scores. Boom has tried to hire OCs and he did get great resumes with Pease and Charlie...but it didn't work out...third time is the charm.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:34 pm to slayerxing
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Honestly, a team like UF should not have to rely on field goals to beat teams.
A very stupid thing to say. Look what has happened to Bama without a good kicker in 2011 and last year.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 4:02 pm to olemc999
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A very stupid thing to say. Look what has happened to Bama without a good kicker in 2011 and last year.
When we're talking about Georgia -- a team that had beaten us 3 times since 1990 -- three years after I was born. They've beaten us three times in a row and most of the games in recent history haven't been close.
Our record against SC is 24 - 7.
Neither of these teams were better than us last year -- and if we had executed we wouldn't have needed field goals at all.
It's not stupid if you run a spread offense and focus on touchdowns -- like Auburn. In Muschamp's system -- yeah you need a kicker, but we need way more than field goals to win in the SEC and anyone who says otherwise is a fricking idiot.
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Posted on 5/15/14 at 4:07 pm to slayerxing
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Honestly that is the most fricking ridiculous thing I've ever heard a UF fan say about Florida. Seriously? NEWSFLASH - there are other good teams in the SEC. It's a tough conference and points are always at a premium. Half of the tough SEC games could come down to a single possession, and you're saying FG's shouldn't matter? What should UF be beating everyone by 50? Jesus...
Read above.
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Bull-fricking-shite. It was 14-6 at halftime, and USCe was in trouble. They had to fight and claw to win that game, and if UF had made their short FG at the end of the 3rd quarter, the whole outcome of the game may have been different.
In trouble with what -- an anemic offense that couldn't move? No one was scared of us.
Not even Georgia Southern.
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Based on what exactly? They were an undefeated team playing at home and UF had an injured QB, a beat up OL, and IDK if you remember, but 3 starters on defense were out and Riggs got kicked off on the second play.
That didn't stop Georgia Southern missing their two running-backs in a system that didn't even complete a pass against us. It's not enough. I'm sorry, It's. Not. Enough.
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I think you'll be surprised, cause I don't think he'll get the axe this year at all unless things are as bad as last year.
If he loses to Tennessee, Vandy or any other team that he's favored to beat, he will be gone period. Unless, like I said, he manages to beat a great team.
Although that didn't save Zook, either.
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