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Posted on 4/6/14 at 6:36 pm to finestfirst79
I see the marijuana and alcohol-related offenses as something relatively harmless.
These are victimless crimes and as Warrior Poet mentioned, mostly class C misdemeanors.
I don't see these offenses as part of some greater criminal enterprise that is in need of drastic action.
Finestfirst79, from your exploits it would appear that you were quite the lawbreaker in college as well.
These are victimless crimes and as Warrior Poet mentioned, mostly class C misdemeanors.
I don't see these offenses as part of some greater criminal enterprise that is in need of drastic action.
Finestfirst79, from your exploits it would appear that you were quite the lawbreaker in college as well.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 6:44 pm to ImperialPalace
One obvious difference is I didn't get caught. 
Posted on 4/6/14 at 6:57 pm to ImperialPalace
quote:whether or not they are harmless is not the point. the point is that every 2 weeks, a fricking starter gets into trouble over them. And that's absolutely ridiculous
I see the marijuana and alcohol-related offenses as something relatively harmless
Posted on 4/6/14 at 7:04 pm to WestCoastAg
Are you saying that you have a problem with how Sumlin is handling each situation individually?
If so, what would you do differently?
If so, what would you do differently?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 7:23 pm to ImperialPalace
I don't know. But obviously whatever he is doing isn't getting the job done
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:08 pm to WestCoastAg
Ricky was not drinking and came to northgate to pick up a friend who needed ride. The bumped into someone (or they bumped into him) and then they exchanged a few words including the other guy calling RSJ a ****.
Edit: I guess the rant sensors the n word.
Edit: I guess the rant sensors the n word.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 4/6/14 at 9:33 pm to Dr RC
No (re: a Northgate ban).
Knee-jerk reactions like that remind me of those from "gun control" folks (i.e., a shooting means we ought to ban guns).
But the players need to check themselves.
Knee-jerk reactions like that remind me of those from "gun control" folks (i.e., a shooting means we ought to ban guns).
But the players need to check themselves.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 4/6/14 at 9:51 pm to EKG
I wouldn't really call it a knee jerk with the constant discipline issues by important players three years running.
He needs to nip this shite in the bud now before it festers and gets out of control with something major.
Whatever he is doing hasn't sunk in with the players and needs to be changed.
He needs to nip this shite in the bud now before it festers and gets out of control with something major.
Whatever he is doing hasn't sunk in with the players and needs to be changed.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:04 pm to Dr RC
I don't disagree, Dr RC.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:47 pm to WestCoastAg
From a law enforcement perspective (some of y'all know I work in law enforcement), there are a lot of trumped up class c misdemeanors out there and basically the officers just make the arrest knowing that there will never be an actual conviction because the DA is going to dismiss a shitty case.
Bottom line is officers will make an arrest on the most technical of violations of the law knowing the DA isn't going to actually be able to make a case out of it but do so because the suspect rubbed them the wrong way for some reason.
And one thing I have noticed is that CSPD is really aggressive in making arrests on young people. I don't agree with it and I know for a fact that the county attorneys office is much more forgiving and realistic when it comes to class c offenses.
The fact is that if we had a real problem we would have athletes getting class A and felony arrests. But we aren't. We don't have any sexual assault or felony drug arrests (other than Claibornes adderall possession) -- what does that tell me? It tells me the problem is an overly aggressive law enforcement agency and not the students. I think the theory behind it is that drunk driving must be nipped in the butt and the way to do it is enforce small offenses to the max by making arrests on everything at the slightest indication of probable cause.
My only problem will be if the AD forces Sumlin to suspend players for class c citations.
Bottom line is officers will make an arrest on the most technical of violations of the law knowing the DA isn't going to actually be able to make a case out of it but do so because the suspect rubbed them the wrong way for some reason.
And one thing I have noticed is that CSPD is really aggressive in making arrests on young people. I don't agree with it and I know for a fact that the county attorneys office is much more forgiving and realistic when it comes to class c offenses.
The fact is that if we had a real problem we would have athletes getting class A and felony arrests. But we aren't. We don't have any sexual assault or felony drug arrests (other than Claibornes adderall possession) -- what does that tell me? It tells me the problem is an overly aggressive law enforcement agency and not the students. I think the theory behind it is that drunk driving must be nipped in the butt and the way to do it is enforce small offenses to the max by making arrests on everything at the slightest indication of probable cause.
My only problem will be if the AD forces Sumlin to suspend players for class c citations.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 11:42 pm to Warrior Poet
ACAB
No really
No really
Posted on 4/7/14 at 6:56 am to Dr RC
I don't see how we are worse than many SEC programs. They still recruit fine.
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 7:41 am
Posted on 4/7/14 at 6:58 am to Warrior Poet
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:18 am to cardboardboxer
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I don't see how we are worse than many SEC programs. They still recruit fine.
finished top 5 in the nation and just 3rd in the SEC West.
if A&M loses just one recruit b/c of this its a problem.
and like I said, this is the kind of stuff that can snowball on you.
most other SEC schools don't deal with a 300 pound gorilla like Texas in their state
the only other SEC school that deals with the same amount of competition in state that we do is Florida.
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 9:20 am
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:32 am to Dr RC
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finished top 5 in the nation and just 3rd in the SEC West.
if A&M loses just one recruit b/c of this its a problem.
And if we react too strongly (no pun intended) and take the fun out of our program we might trade losing one recruit that wasn't that tough anyway for 20 SEC-style recruits.
If rules and strictness is what the parents/kids want then that is what Charlie is basing his program on, he should he a hit. His lack of recruiting success tells me more want a lax environment.
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and like I said, this is the kind of stuff that can snowball on you.
I don't know, it seems like many SEC programs have off the field trouble every year but manage to compete. I think it goes with the territory when you target SEC-style talent.
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most other SEC schools don't deal with a 300 pound gorilla like Texas in their state
the only other SEC school that deals with the same amount of competition in state that we do is Florida.
I am sorry, but that is just wrong. If nothing else USC has Clemson, UK has Louisville, and even programs like LSU and Georgia that dominate their state have to deal other programs trying to poach recruits. We aren't special, and our instate battle isn't any harder than what a lot of the SEC deals with: ie Notre Dame, tOSU, etc. are always targeting southern recruits.
Heck, Texas isn't even that hard to deal with on this point. With 6th Street in town Charlie has had to take tips from Putin, and Mack had to pretend the campus was in an 80's sitcom bubble, in order to convince parents that trouble wasn't literally down the street. All it takes is a quick comparison of real crime statistics to undo any PR problems with parents.
I think what this REALLY is, deep down, is just part of the transition process from the Big 12 to the SEC. In the Big 12 era we got so caught up on "good kids that want to play for A&M" and laughing at tu's troubles with the law (because that is all we had), that we became disconnected from the realities of running a top football program.
As long as we are the SEC program in Texas, we will be considered the dirtiest program in Texas, the most unlawful program in Texas, and quite possibly the most "thug" program in Texas. That perception comes with the SEC, and the sort of non-preacher's sheets players it takes to win in the SEC.
Honestly right now we are in a very comfortable spot.
If the charges were more severe (aka felony), I would worry about the program's leadership and if their blind eye could lead to sanctions.
If there was no offseason charges, I would worry that we haven't recruited the kind of player that can compete in the SEC. I mean, take a look- almost every TAMU player that has gotten in trouble is a contributor. Turns out Mr. Badass on Saturday afternoon is Mr. Badass on Friday night as well, who would have guessed it?
Mizzou is having the same problem with their SEC-level talent (DGB). It is not just us!
A few arrests of boys being boys is a Goldilocks "just right" kind of situation. I feel like most of the fanbase will come to this conclusion and stop freaking out when we experience the success that these sorts of players bring.
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 10:36 am
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:42 am to Dr RC
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the only other SEC school that deals with the same amount of competition in state that we do is Florida.
Disagree. Both Alabama and Auburn have each other to deal with. South Carolina has Clemson. There's a lot of talent on a per capita basis in Mississippi, but the Rebs and Grinders have trouble keeping them home. And Georgia gets raided by EVERYONE. Case in point, last year Richt got commits from only 5 of the top 20 in Georgia. 2013 was the same story, and only 2 of the top 10 went to Athens.
UTx just isn't a 300# gorilla right now. They aren't an SEC school, and they aren't even the "sexy" pick in the B12. If Strong can win there, he can elevate them again, but never to the point where we will be worse off recruiting-competition-wise compared to most of the other SEC schools. Only LSU is in a better situation than are we.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:51 am to Dr RC
It's definitely concerning but until something really bad happens I don't think a ban is warranted. Some internal leadership from some seniors about being more responsible on the weekends would go a long way I think
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:47 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Both of these guys were arrested by the SAME COP.
What we really need to do is sit them all down and tell the guys:
"The police on Northgate are coming for you. They're targeting you. It's not a playground with no consequences - it's a hunting ground and you are the prey. If you want to go there, that's your business, but be very aware that the police there are watching, they have nothing better to do, they're jealous of you, and they're just waiting for you to slip up."
What we really need to do is sit them all down and tell the guys:
"The police on Northgate are coming for you. They're targeting you. It's not a playground with no consequences - it's a hunting ground and you are the prey. If you want to go there, that's your business, but be very aware that the police there are watching, they have nothing better to do, they're jealous of you, and they're just waiting for you to slip up."
Posted on 4/7/14 at 1:04 pm to Cooter Davenport
quote:
"The police on Northgate are coming for you. They're targeting you. It's not a playground with no consequences - it's a hunting ground and you are the prey. If you want to go there, that's your business, but be very aware that the police there are watching, they have nothing better to do, they're jealous of you, and they're just waiting for you to slip up."
Yeah this too. They need to understand they are targets every time they go out
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