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Posted on 2/24/14 at 9:37 pm to
Posted by tmc94
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 9:37 pm to
Hell I just see it as a waste of perfectly good seating
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:13 pm to
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To me this is a poorly-conceived marketing ploy and the next Aggie joke.



Let 'em joke. Not like they were gonna stop anyways
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:00 am to
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To me this is a poorly-conceived marketing ploy and the next Aggie joke.


people who make jokes will be terminated

Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:38 am to
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I guess I just don't understand why some folks are so irate about this.


Because it doesn't make sense. It's totally illogical.

How do EMPTY seats honor the FANS?
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 10:39 am
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:40 am to
How would they dishonor the Bonfire victims?

For the record, I was more on board with that being the sole reason

But several on this thread have intimated that they'd have been more upset by that than the current reason.

Also, I really don't care. Sorry for being so nonchalant. Probably has me coming off the wrong way, and I apologize.
Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:45 am to
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How would they dishonor the Bonfire victims?


Because it would be using the memory of the Bonfire victims to market the stadium. And it's also just weird and inappropriate. We need a constant reminder of that accident in the middle of our football stadium? Really?

I'm really glad they came out and said that wasn't the purpose.
Posted by Houston Summit
Houston, TX
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:56 am to
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Because it would be using the memory of the Bonfire victims to market the stadium. And it's also just weird and inappropriate. We need a constant reminder of that accident in the middle of our football stadium? Really?

Not to start a riot, but I don't really understand this thinking. I honestly don't see how it's really any different than the actual Bonfire Memorial. It's just a way for Aggies to remember the past and to honor the 12 who died in the bonfire. I honestly think it's kinda cool how we are staying true to who we are and remembering where we came from even when we are about to unveil the greatest football stadium in college football
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:01 am to
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Because it would be using the memory of the Bonfire victims to market the stadium.


Um, that wouldn't be the sole purpose.

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And it's also just weird and inappropriate.


Eh, I disagree. I thought it would have been very appropriate, actually. What better place to memorialize their undying love for TAMU than the shrine to football (Kyle Field) at the football school that is TAMU?

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We need a constant reminder of that accident in the middle of our football stadium? Really?


Like I said, just a very visible tribute, IMO.

It's still a moot point, but I really don't see how that would have been SO much worse, I guess.
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 11:03 am
Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:03 am to
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I honestly don't see how it's really any different than the actual Bonfire Memorial. It's just a way for Aggies to remember the past and to honor the 12 who died in the bonfire.


The bonfire memorial is off on it's own where the stack fell, not shoved in your face as some marketing prop.

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I honestly think it's kinda cool how we are staying true to who we are and remembering where we came from


The bonfire accident is who we are now?
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:12 am to
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The bonfire memorial is off on it's own where the stack fell, not shoved in your face as some marketing prop.


The Bonfire Memorial is right in front of one of the most prominent buildings on campus, and dominates the scenery of the east gate.

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The bonfire accident is who we are now?


I don't think that's what he was trying to say
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:12 am to
No need to apologize. It's your opinion and you're not trying to be a jerk about it.

The way I see it is I'd rather it be for the bonfire 12 than the current reason. At least that's a reason that makes sense. Saying that empty seats honor fans is just bizarre. We'll be lampooned for that by everyone (and I'm not talking about flames on the Rant, I'm talking about national media), and rightfully so.

That said, I could see how some people would see it as weird, and the bonfire families might veto, and they may already have, which is why we have the illogical excuse we're using for the empty seats now.

So, either way, we need to just scrap this ill-conceived idea.
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 11:15 am
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:20 am to
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I'd rather it be for the bonfire 12 than the current reason.


Same. I don't have a problem with the current reason, it's just much weaker of a tribute than I'd originally thought it would have been if it had been for the Bonfire 12.

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So, either way, we need to just scrap this ill-conceived idea.


They really should have hammered out an ironclad (or at least a near-consensus) rationale behind the tribute before unveiling it, especially since it will be a prominent part of the stadium.

My guess is they were trying to do something visible in the vein of the #12 flagpole in Seattle's stadium, but didn't come up with a coherent facsimile.
Posted by FleurDeLonestar
The Dirty HOU
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:24 am to
Where will these seats reside?
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:27 am to
Student side, 2nd deck? iirc
Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
10521 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:29 am to
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My guess is they were trying to do something visible in the vein of the #12 flagpole in Seattle's stadium, but didn't come up with a coherent facsimile.


Agreed. That's why going the bonfire route would have been such a horrible idea.

"Hey, we really need to find a way to put our 12th man stake in the ground after Seattle's SB win. How should we incorporate it into the new stadium?

I know! Let's use those kids that died to promote our copyright!"
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:29 am to
50 yard line 2nd deck I'm pretty sure

At the end of day, I don't know what this is. Represent the 12th man? Well, that's the people IN the seats. Empty seats are the antithesis of the 12th man.

Anyway, if you have an opinion you want to share with the people that are making decisions, send it to steve.moore@tamus.edu as apparently he's in charge of this one.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:31 am to
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My guess is they were trying to do something visible in the vein of the #12 flagpole in Seattle's stadium, but didn't come up with a coherent facsimile.


I think this is EXACTLY what they were trying to do.

I'm no genius, but I'm a reasonably intelligent guy employed to sit and make decisions based on logic all day that are essentially "bets" on human nature and reasonable outcomes to events given a limited amount of data. I tend to take a pessimistic view because that pays me. So, in advance, I recognize that my read on this may come off as "conspiracist" or overly negative, but what I think happened is that they wanted it to be a branding/marketing vehicle that TV guys would talk about during our games. I think they initially planned on it representing the fallen 12 from bonfire, but ended up getting some backfire on that from the families or attorneys or the university and had to backtrack and come up with a new excuse. That excuse they're using now doesn't make sense because it wasn't the initial reason and they just made something up in a scramble and shoe-horned the reasoning in. They need to back ALL the way up, drop their pride, and concede that it was a poorly thought-out plan that they're not going forward with.
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 11:33 am
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:35 am to
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At the end of day, I don't know what this is. Represent the 12th man? Well, that's the people IN the seats. Empty seats are the antithesis of the 12th man.


THIS

It's like putting up a statue of Marx holding hands with Lenin and saying: "This statue represents the pioneering capitalist economic thought of Adam Smith".
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:40 am to
What if Alabama erected a statue of George Wallace and said "this is here to honor MLK". What? Makes as much sense as empty seats that honor the fanbase.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:00 pm to
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At the end of day, I don't know what this is. Represent the 12th man? Well, that's the people IN the seats. Empty seats are the antithesis of the 12th man.



Are they though? I mean, if you are a modern day E. King Gill and you suit up and get on the sidelines to get ready to go in, isn't your seat empty?





I think at this exact moment I have put more thought into reasonings for these seats than the people who thought of them originally.
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