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re: Gamecocks get commit from Atlanta MLK DE Arden Key 2015

Posted on 6/16/13 at 2:02 pm to
Posted by AMM AU9893
Auburn, AL
Member since Feb 2011
13789 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 2:02 pm to
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Quit blasting the kid before you know facts that he has two years of HS left
I knew that. Deep breaths…
Posted by Nicolae
Member since Dec 2012
1913 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 3:25 pm to
A 198 pound DE? Yeeeeeeeeahh...I'm not surprised we weren't all over this one. He is good, but he has no real coverage ability and if he cannot add about 80 pounds, then he is no DE for us.

If miss on Walker or Patrick and Key impress next season, we'll probably talk to him, but right now I'd say Patrick and Walker are our focus.
This post was edited on 6/16/13 at 3:29 pm
Posted by Nicolae
Member since Dec 2012
1913 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 3:27 pm to
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Arden is a good player, but I have a hard time conceding that a 6'5 200 pound DE makes up a key part of "the greatest DLine class ever"


I think they are also counting a guy in that class that they aren't getting in Huggins.
Posted by Big_Cock_Fan
Columbia, SC
Member since Jun 2012
1139 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 3:46 pm to
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I think they are also counting a guy in that class that they aren't getting in Huggins.


Huggins has been tweeting Gamecock recruits all day. He's really close with Blackshear and wants to play in a stud DL class. SC is making a big move. Let's just say as today, I really like our chances... People are going to start predicting us on the Crystal Ball now.
This post was edited on 6/16/13 at 3:47 pm
Posted by CHSgc
Charleston, SC
Member since Oct 2012
1658 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 4:15 pm to
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Oh my god, that kid was LIED to



That's rich when in your own signature a UGA player is having serious subject-verb agreement issues.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
43843 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 4:29 pm to
Was the kid not lied to?
Posted by CHSgc
Charleston, SC
Member since Oct 2012
1658 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 4:50 pm to
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Was the kid not lied to?



Doubt it. A lot of fuzzy stuff gets said in recruiting but USC has been pretty good a/b shooting players straight. More than likely he was shown a statistic like (I'm spitballing here) USC football players had highest cumulative GPA among SEC programs in 2012 and then went from there.

I don't think for a minute anyone told Arden Key that USC is superior to Vanderbilt in academics.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
43843 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 4:59 pm to
Eh, I've been around enough kids and college coaches to know most of the recruiters stretch the truth all the time. Not saying that's the case here but you wouldn't believe some of tge crap I've heard.
Posted by CHSgc
Charleston, SC
Member since Oct 2012
1658 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 5:12 pm to
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Eh, I've been around enough kids and college coaches to know most of the recruiters stretch the truth all the time. Not saying that's the case here but you wouldn't believe some of tge crap I've heard.



I'm basically theorizing that the truth probably was stretched a little here (via selection of favorable statistical info). It's just hard for me to believe - knowing what I know a/b this staff - that they did something as blatant as say USC > rest of SEC in all things academic. It'd be hard to imagine being able to get away w/ that. By the same token I don't think UGA would do something like that, either, given the reputation Richt has for being forthright.

Now if you told me Hugh Freeze or Dabo Swinney did it...
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
43843 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 6:13 pm to
Come to think of it, I haven't heard any lies from USC. Most of the SEC West, UT, and UF are some blatant MFers though
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 7:36 pm to
That's great news! He can play, his highlight reels look really good for a starting Soph in HS. It shouldn't be difficult for him to put on 40+ lb's in the next 3 years.

We have 2 nasty DE's, if we can get Huggins too, this DL class will be one of the best we've had.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 7:36 pm to
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Does Mark Richt hate Georgia recruits?


No, but it's clear that he has lost control of them.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 7:38 pm to
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Can you please start a thread showing where this commit puts SC in the team rankibgs? TIA




We should start a thread bragging about how many 4 * 5 stars we have for the 2015 class we have now in June, as well. Thanks Tennessee.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 7:39 pm to
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So we get SC's #1 qb to commit and enroll early for 2014, and you get a lineman to commit for 2015, and Spur is "getting it done in Georgia".



Would be a good point...if we had offered Park....
Posted by JStanDawgFan
Evans, Ga
Member since Jul 2012
3987 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 8:35 pm to
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Would be a good point...if we had offered Park....



If I may interject on a perfectly dimwitted argument over a kid whom doesn't sign scholarship papers for almost 2 full years; to respond to this post. I am lost on what the point of your post may be. You are saying that just because USC did not offer Jacob Park and he is committed to UGA, that somehow that doesn't validate that he is still a consensus #1 QB recruit in a state that shares it borders with said university?

Hypothetically speaking that is the equivalent of saying that just because UGA was not looking for a DE in the 2013 class, and the staff always believed he was headed out of state (as most did I am sure); the decision was made to not offer a scholarship to Robert Nkemdiche. Who happens to reside within the confines of the same state as said university. Does a non-offer by the instate school make his ranking any less valid?

Just wonderding.
This post was edited on 6/16/13 at 8:37 pm
Posted by Nicolae
Member since Dec 2012
1913 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 9:18 pm to
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"They lead the SEC in academics."



Oh my god, that kid was LIED to


Wow, don't know how the coach that fed him that one sleeps at night. There are "little white lies" and then there is "Watergate-level bullshitting" and beyond that, there is this.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
44215 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 9:21 pm to
Just to be clear, 247 and Scout both have Georgia as having offered Key. Rivals does not list Georgia at all because Key told them he wanted to go out of state and Georgia was not on his list. ESPN shows Georgia on the list but without an offer.

Park was never recruited by, or offered by, Spurrier and he has 100% autonomy when it comes to QBs that get offered at SC. I've heard different stories as to why we never offered Park - none of them matter. He's a good QB going to Georgia. It happens. We don't worry about the ones that want to go out of state for whatever reason anymore - we've learned not to take it personally. And he is far more Mark Richt pro style than he is Steve Spurrier all-purpose style so the UGA system just fits him better.

I wish we could get Chubb to change his mind. He is a difference maker.
Posted by Nicolae
Member since Dec 2012
1913 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 9:28 pm to
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Does a non-offer by the instate school make his ranking any less valid?

Just wondering.


No, it doesn't. In fact, when talking about QBs, I'd be quicker to wonder what is wrong with SOS that he didn't offer.

Richt/Bobo are some of the premier QB coaches in football at any level and while we have our faults, QB recruiting is not one of them. Everyone misses and has a Joe Cox on their resume, but when it comes to QB recruiting and evaluation Richt/Bobo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SOS. Old man has lost his touch since leaving UF.

As far as Clemson, Morris needs a system QB and got a commit from a guy that fits his system better. Park is very mobile, but still more a pro-style QB that Morris doesn't how to work with.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
44215 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 9:39 pm to
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No, it doesn't. In fact, when talking about QBs, I'd be quicker to wonder what is wrong with SOS that he didn't offer.

Richt/Bobo are some of the premier QB coaches in football at any level and while we have our faults, QB recruiting is not one of them. Everyone misses and has a Joe Cox on their resume, but when it comes to QB recruiting and evaluation Richt/Bobo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SOS. Old man has lost his touch since leaving UF.

As far as Clemson, Morris needs a system QB and got a commit from a guy that fits his system better. Park is very mobile, but still more a pro-style QB that Morris doesn't how to work with.


Nicolae is a better evaluator of QB talent that the HBC? I think I have read it all now, from Dawg fans. lulz

Well, I guess UGA finally got themselves another Heisman winner in Park. Let's go ahead and award the kid the trophy. All others are just wasting their time.
Posted by crispyUGA
Upstate SC
Member since Feb 2011
16270 posts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 9:44 pm to
Key is a very good prospect , but there's a question as to how well he fits UGA's defensive system. He's a much better fit as a DE in a 4-3 than an OLB in a 3-4.

Natrez Patrick is our big target at OLB next cycle...get him and everything is fine and dandy.
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